Tesla drivers do this because every 2 plugs share a cabinet so charge rate is cut in half if both are used. You will see the plugs/stalls labelled 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, etc.
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I know why they do it.
It doesn’t matter if the plug works if I can’t plug it into my vehicle.
The fact is that the design and the behavior that design engenders in its users creates one of the reasons I consider those stations to be unreliable as a place to charge. Unless there are more than a dozen plugs, it’s likely I won’t be able to charge at a SC when I want to charge. Thus, in most of my travels, I cannot rely on SCs being reliable charging stops. I’ll stop if it’s the only choice, but it’s very rare that SCs are the only choice.
Good luck with your family member! And thanks for the info, I am easing my way into this world and it's nice to have this forum with info
Yes, front center or front passenger side makes the most sense to me. The only reason T uses rear driver side was because of the garage at the house EM happened to be renting around the time they were making that decision. Now everyone is stuck backing in to charge
I've looked through several of the pages but admittedly not all, so if this question was asked already, I apologize. What would you say is the added cost to your electric bill, in dollars, percent, or however you can best describe? Obviously this is a loaded question and dependent on lots of other factors, but I'm curious what that hit looks like each month/year for charging an EV.
With all due respect, your view is in the minority. Tesla SCs have the best uptime and availability stats of any charging network by a WIDE margin.
Can they be cumbersome for some vehicles based on their charge port location? Yes. Tesla SCs were originally designed only for Teslas. The V4 SCs have 10' cables which solves the problem.
Please don't scare people. Tesla takes their SC network very seriously. They have been known to show up with truck-mounted generators to get people on their way if a site is down. Let me know when EA even picks up the phone when a site is down.....
Bottom line to everyone else, your Scout will automatically route you to compatible chargers when on the road. Just like gas stations, you may have a preference for one brand over another, but all will flow electrons. Yes you will need to carry a CCS adapter in order to use older chargers. Lectron sells them for $100 https://ev-lectron.com/products/lec...ast-charge-your-tesla-with-ccs-chargers-black. I carry mine with me and use it when I need it. I know this stuff seems overwhelming right now but it's pretty straightforward.
It completely depends on your local electric rates (tariffs). Most people don't pay much attention to them. Some providers charge you more per kWh the more you use (usage tiers). In that case your bill may spike quite a lot as the EV will put you into a higher tier. My utility, PSO (owned by AEP) has summer and winter rates (most people here use natural gas for heating so electricity use drops a lot in the winter). In the winter, the rate actually goes down the more you use. In the summer, it's the opposite. But they have a Time of Use (TOU) rate that makes power super cheap off peak ($0.05/kWh) and more expensive on peak ($0.25/kWh). On peak is M-F, 2:00pm-7:00pm. So you just need to avoid using a lot of electricity during those 5 hours each day. We have programmable thermostats so we have them cool the house down to 72 degrees by 2:00pm and then bump the thermostat to 78F until 7:00pm when it goes back to our usual 75F. Even in the heat of the summer the AC almost never kicks on until 7:00pm.
In the winter my "blended" rate (literally total bill divided by kWh) is $0.10/kWh and in the summer it's $0.12/kWh.
I realize this is highly variable but we have a 3,200 sq ft house that is all electric (geothermal HVAC, heat pump water heater, electric cooking, electric dryer, etc) with 2 EVs and we pay ~$380/month in the depths of winter and $480/month in the peak of summer. Oh, we also have a 25,000 gallon pool as part of that. I drive ~15,000 miles/year and my wife about 10,000. This is in NE Oklahoma so winters are fairly mild but summers are serious.
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So many factors…
For me, it’s difficult to say with certainty because the weather has been weird, we’ve added some other devices, I run a compute business from home with wildly varying compute demands from week to week, we have solar panels and a backup battery, etc., etc., etc.
The easiest way for me to say is to estimate cost per mile of the BEV and compare that with the cost per mile of the gas vehicle it replaced.
tl;dr:
I estimate that we’re saving about $3800/year (plus/minus about $1500) in energy costs compared with driving our two most recent gas vehicles. Averaging that over 12 months is about $320/month savings. This also assumes $3.50/gallon gas, which is way low compared with today’s gas prices. If you increase gas prices to the average in our area, the estimate is about 50% too low (if gas prices stay what they are today, we’ll save more like $5700/year).
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We are fairly strict about trying to charge during super-off-peak time (10:00 to 15:00). When we’re successful at doing that for run-around-town driving, we pay $0.03495/kWh. With the Mustang getting around 4 miles/kWh and the Lightning getting around 2.5 miles/kWh, that’s $0.008/mile for the Mustang and $0.014/mile for the Lightning.
If we only did around-town driving, that would be:
16,000 miles/year in the Lightning means $224/year energy cost for the Lightning.
14,500 miles/year in the Mustang means $116/year energy cost for the Mustang.
However, we do road trips for about half of our total miles, more than half in the Lightning and less than half in the Mustang. If I use an average of $0.48/kWh cost for those trips:
Lightning (10,000 miles/year road trips, 6,000 miles/year around-town):
$0.48/kWh / 2.3 miles/kWh = $0.21/mile road trips and $0.014/mile around town...
$0.21 * 10,000 + $0.014 * 6000 = $2184/year for energy.
Mustang (4500 miles road trips and 10,000 miles around town):
$0.48/kWh / 3.7 miles/kWh = $0.13/mile road trips
$0.13 * 4500 + 0.014*10000 = $725/year for energy.
The Tacoma we had prior only got 8-16 miles/gallon, depending on if I was really babying it at 45 mph or if I was towing or driving around town. The average was about 12 mpg.
For a 16,000 mile/year driving habit, with gas at around $3.50/gallon, the annual cost of fuel was about $4700.
Our Golf Alltrack was not very impressive with only about 25 mpg, at best. For 14500 miles/year, average of $3.50/gallon, that estimate is $2030/year in fuel costs.
Yeah I realize it's such a loaded question due to like you guys said, all the different variables. I'm mostly trying to get an idea and set expectations at this point, so all the information you guys have given thus far is very helpful and I appreciate it. Thanks.
Its pretty easy to calculate the ballpark basic costs of an EV, once you know what you're looking for, just like it is for a gas car.
For a gas car its:
(Miles per year / mpg of the car) x cost of gas per gallon.
For an electric car its:
(Miles per year / miles per kwh efficiency of the gar) x cost of electricity per kwh.
Then you just add that amount to your electric bill for the year.
The confusing part is the "miles per kwh efficiency of the car". But thats pretty easy to find for any given vehicle (mine displays it in the driver display for every drive, just like how my gas ones show me the instant mpg). You can math it out, or look it up, but its pretty straightforward.
For me, it looks like this:
(15000 / 2.9) x $0.1065 = $550 a year in electricity.
Again, this is ballpark. It doesn't count for you charging at other places with different electric rates. Or account for time of use things as mentioned above, or even the charging efficiency difference (there is some wasted energy when charging, from conversion losses, but its fairly low with 240v L2 charging, like a few percent).
Also, a lot of smart/connected L2 chargers you get for your house, have apps/data you can use to look at JUST the EV chargers consumption/costs. So that is another easy option. I can post a screenshot from my phone later.
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