Higher Range

[ejwl]

I saw the expected range is 350 miles and up 500 with the range extender. I would be nice to have a higher base range like 400 or 450. The rivian r1s range is 410 and the lucid gravity range is estimated at 450. In order to keep up with the competition the amount of range should be matched or exceeded. 400 base range and 500 with the extender is a good start.

 

[ritterf]

I'm all for geeking out on new tech and the industry may very well move to this chemistry. But I am telling you that this tech is WAY too new for Scout to use in their immediately planned products.

I still think that you are rooted in the world of software that can be patched after it is released. The physical world doesn't work that way. I am quite confident that the hardware involved in your "three platform evolutions" was all commodity hardware from established vendors. Imagine if you had walked into one of your platform design review meetings and said that instead of the Dell (or whatever established brand) servers you heard about this new thing that had existed for less than a year (but JP Morgan is prototyping it!) and it's WAY better than what we're using now. We should bet the company on it. You would have been laughed out of the room. Rule #1 for hardware is that it must not fail. It is the same in the car business. If there were any issues with this chemistry it would end Scout as a company. The risk is just way too high for a new company. Plus they would have to spend engineering time figuring out the cooling, charge curves, packaging, etc. The existing NMC and LFP cells are known quantities when it comes to all of that stuff and are the right choice for a new company.

As for VW using it, they haven't exactly set the world on fire when it comes to electrification so I put zero stock in anything they are doing. Every one of their models are extremely overpriced for what you get (power and range). Tesla, GM, and the Hyundai/Kia twins are the models for how to build EVs. You can add Toyota if you're talking about hybrids.

Finally, as I said before (and you pointedly avoided addressing), there are already a ton of large engine, small battery options out there (Here's a list: https://www.caranddriver.com/rankings/best-suvs/plug-in-hybrid). What is Scout's differentiator among that field? The current design is unique (yes, RAM is claiming the same thing but it's been delayed and cancelled a few times now) and we will see what the market rewards.

Lithium-titanate (LTO) batteries were used by Honda and Mitsubishi primarily in the early 2010s to mid-2010s for specific electric vehicle (EV) models, capitalizing on their fast-charging and long-life capabilities

 

[ritterf]

Dude you aren't a serious person..

 

[strider]

Lithium-titanate (LTO) batteries were used by Honda and Mitsubishi primarily in the early 2010s to mid-2010s for specific electric vehicle (EV) models, capitalizing on their fast-charging and long-life capabilities

If this chemistry is such a slam dunk, where are these models today? I've been driving EVs for 16 years now and let me tell you, when I think EV technology leaders I think Honda and Mitsubishi.

Actually, no one thinks that.....

I find it hilarious that you keep calling me unserious when you are the one with zero experience with EVs, doing searches on the Internet and thinking you're some kind of expert.

News flash, you're not an expert in EV battery chemistry. I'm not either, but at least I can admit it. Let the engineers do what they do. At the end of the day, if you don't like what a company builds (or it doesn't meet your requirements), buy the product from someone else.

 

[ritterf]

You have not given one reason why the chemistry is a bad idea.
Again. you aren't serious. You are a fanboy.

 

[ritterf]

Since you brought up the i-Miev

 

[ritterf]

Have you googled one of your assumptions?
You've yet to challenge any of my math or suggestions..
Any of my links.. You keep just agreeing with their Tax incentives. not a better vehicle.

You are not a serious person..

 

[ritterf]

Maybe they have incentives other than a better longer lasting vehicle that lasts 30 years..

 

[strider]

You are funny. You have never owned an EV. I would bet you've never even driven an EV. Yet with zero knowledge of the industry you claim to have discovered some long lost secret battery chemistry that every single manufacturer missed. You are like those people who claim that Chevron bought the 100mpg carburetor and hid it in a basement because they wanted to sell more oil. I find it hilarious that you are accusing me of being unserious. Projection much?

It all comes down to this. Why isn't anyone using LTO batteries in passenger vehicles? Why have Honda and Mitsubishi stopped using LTO in their cars? Don't say tariffs because to my knowledge there is not a single passenger vehicle being produced today that uses those cells anywhere in the world.

Something caused Honda and Mitsubishi to stop using LTO chemistry. Until you can answer that question, you have nothing.

 

[ritterf]

again.. you haven't refuted any of the math. NTO is the newer chemistry that addresses the weakness of LTO.
Its easy to market more miles flat range.

Again look at the resale value of the Imieve LTO or NMC cars.

Again. is this Truck for 5 years or 30 years.
is it a Real work vehicle or a poser that looks good on paper but is a piece of shit.
You are a fan boy Simping for Scout for some reason


You haven't addressed any of issues.

Why do you think they use NTO for commercial vehicles like busses and military applications.
yes there is a price premium per KWH, but it lasts 30 plus years not 10.

What happens if you park your NMC or LFP car for 6 months not plugged in?
then try charging it again..

the point is weight reduction and enough battery to provide full regen from 100-0 stop. and provide 20 miles range.
40 miles 0-30-0 range.
Lighter vehicle, less weight less road taxes, less wear and tear. more efficient.

Some reason you refuse to think about anything other that what they are selling you.
whatever.. sucks to not be able to think about how something could be better.
peace mate.

 

[ritterf]

You've done ZERO research. googled anything, reviewed any spec sheets, done zero math..
Not one assertion have you proven incorrect with any sort of pertinent information.,
You've provided nothing.
your just shit talking and it's lame af.

 

[ritterf]

Typical of Oklahoma education system.

 

[R1TVT]

Typical of Oklahoma education system.

Time to move on. It might be like that in other places on the internets, but not here.