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I saw the expected range is 350 miles and up 500 with the range extender. I would be nice to have a higher base range like 400 or 450. The rivian r1s range is 410 and the lucid gravity range is estimated at 450. In order to keep up with the competition the amount of range should be matched or exceeded. 400 base range and 500 with the extender is a good start.
 
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The problem is they have to follow the EPA cycle so range will always be misleading against that. The cycle they do in Europe is different and that tends to give even bigger ranges. On Tesla's website, the range for the Model 3 AWD Premium is 346 miles EPA. If you go on the UK site it's 410 miles WLTP. Range is always misleading unless you do a worst case scenario of high head winds, -30 temperature and driving at 80 mph. I just try and follow some of the range tests places like out of spec do as a rough guide (granted they are at 70mph so might be even worse if you go faster on highways than that).
Exactly
 
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The Silverado is also 8k+ lbs and isn’t allowed in some areas off-road or pavement because of it

The lightning is near 7. That's the nature of the beast of where things are in today's battery technology. Nonetheless, Scout needs to at least offer some options for range. Trying to push for y'all to have a true 350 on the EV side though.
 
Not sure why we are bothering to re-hash this again a week later, but OK.

You literally acknowledged not knowing that so many EV's met or exceed EPA range estimates in this thread:


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And just to be 100% clear, Scout hasn't said they are going to "over-promise and under deliver" - you seem to be insinuating this for some odd reason without any factual data. My guess is that Scout will join the group above and fall into the meet or exceed category - they have absolutely no incentive to disappoint customers with their launch vehicles by falsifying or misrepresenting information. I'm guessing something like this would be a bad look with Scout's re-entry: https://milberg.com/news/tesla-ev-range-lawsuit/

Let's see where the numbers land and what the real world range tests show once we have production test vehicles on the road.
 
Not sure why we are bothering to re-hash this again a week later, but OK.

You literally acknowledged not knowing that so many EV's met or exceed EPA range estimates in this thread:


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And just to be 100% clear, Scout hasn't said they are going to "over-promise and under deliver" - you seem to be insinuating this for some odd reason without any factual data. My guess is that Scout will join the group above and fall into the meet or exceed category - they have absolutely no incentive to disappoint customers with their launch vehicles by falsifying or misrepresenting information. I'm guessing something like this would be a bad look with Scout's re-entry: https://milberg.com/news/tesla-ev-range-lawsuit/

Let's see where the numbers land and what the real world range tests show once we have production test vehicles on the road.
I will keep speaking it because it's true. 130kw doesn't equal 350 miles. It doesn't equal 320. It's doesn't equal 300 in most cases. I speak from personal experience.
 
I'm not sure what you are arguing about, since we have no actual production specs or data to ascribe to your argument.
 
I'm not sure what you are arguing about, since we have no actual production specs or data to ascribe to your argument.
I'm lightning a fire so Scout doesn't pull a Tesla. There really is no good reason to mislead on range specification. It just leads to a lot of frustrated people. Bad PR. Scout could choose the high ground on this one. That's what I'm hoping to see.
 
The Silverado is also 8k+ lbs and isn’t allowed in some areas off-road or pavement because of it
This is the endless circle of debate. I’m willing to bet @cyure ’s left arm (assuming you are right handed?) that is scout could get another 25 or 50 miles out of it and keep everything else compelling they would. They did the research. They know what the majority of people drive and what will work. The outliers just need to buy the Silverado and accept the Scout wasn’t the right vehicle. I wish people would post a 6 page document with their wants and needs and prove to SM that it can indeed be done, requires X amount of cubic inch space, costs X amount of dollars l, etc… because until they do or until SM engineering falls into good/dumb luck while solving something else I just don’t see it happening until new battery tech jumps to the next level. Next week everyone will want hydrogen because gas is pushing $6 a gallon in CA, half the country is convinced EVs are evil and hydrogen looks cooler when a car gets into an accident. Car and mind blown 🤯
 
This is the endless circle of debate. I’m willing to bet @cyure ’s left arm (assuming you are right handed?) that is scout could get another 25 or 50 miles out of it and keep everything else compelling they would. They did the research. They know what the majority of people drive and what will work. The outliers just need to buy the Silverado and accept the Scout wasn’t the right vehicle. I wish people would post a 6 page document with their wants and needs and prove to SM that it can indeed be done, requires X amount of cubic inch space, costs X amount of dollars l, etc… because until they do or until SM engineering falls into good/dumb luck while solving something else I just don’t see it happening until new battery tech jumps to the next level. Next week everyone will want hydrogen because gas is pushing $6 a gallon in CA, half the country is convinced EVs are evil and hydrogen looks cooler when a car gets into an accident. Car and mind blown 🤯
Yes I’m right handed, hey I like my left arm. How am I going to wear my wedding ring and my Apple Watch without it? 😹
 
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This is the endless circle of debate. I’m willing to bet @cyure ’s left arm (assuming you are right handed?) that is scout could get another 25 or 50 miles out of it and keep everything else compelling they would. They did the research. They know what the majority of people drive and what will work. The outliers just need to buy the Silverado and accept the Scout wasn’t the right vehicle. I wish people would post a 6 page document with their wants and needs and prove to SM that it can indeed be done, requires X amount of cubic inch space, costs X amount of dollars l, etc… because until they do or until SM engineering falls into good/dumb luck while solving something else I just don’t see it happening until new battery tech jumps to the next level. Next week everyone will want hydrogen because gas is pushing $6 a gallon in CA, half the country is convinced EVs are evil and hydrogen looks cooler when a car gets into an accident. Car and mind blown 🤯
Okay so in your opinion I should just buy the Silverado EV because it actually has the range they advertise. Is that it?
 
Okay so in your opinion I should just buy the Silverado EV because it actually has the range they advertise. Is that it?
Based on what we have available from the manufacturer(s) one can only go on what is advertised.
Maybe the ranges should be listed as average. My Accord hybrid, if I recall is listed as annual average of 42-44 mpg. In the winter I get 36-40, if I baby it. Peak of summer I get 50-52 mpg so end of year two I’ve averaged 44 mpg. That to me is the safer way to do it.
But back to the point, SM is building vehicles for the majorities and not the outliers and this far into it I don’t see it changing. Continuing to hope for something beyond what has been advertised is unlikely so perhaps that is the better choice, by PR ranges that seems to be the best bet for what you seem to want. But maybe over next two years Scout will figure out how to add another 50-100 miles and charge $9K for it. I’m sure there are a few people willing to pay for it.
 
Based on what we have available from the manufacturer(s) one can only go on what is advertised.
Maybe the ranges should be listed as average. My Accord hybrid, if I recall is listed as annual average of 42-44 mpg. In the winter I get 36-40, if I baby it. Peak of summer I get 50-52 mpg so end of year two I’ve averaged 44 mpg. That to me is the safer way to do it.
But back to the point, SM is building vehicles for the majorities and not the outliers and this far into it I don’t see it changing. Continuing to hope for something beyond what has been advertised is unlikely so perhaps that is the better choice, by PR ranges that seems to be the best bet for what you seem to want. But maybe over next two years Scout will figure out how to add another 50-100 miles and charge $9K for it. I’m sure there are a few people willing to pay for it.
The real issue is that EPA range != highway range. But people (the general public that is, not anyone here) hear that, and think that is the guaranteed highway range. I do think that is a problem. As if a vehicle doesn't meet your expectations when you bought it, people get frustrated fast.

Also, from what I read, some manufacturers actually do their own testing for stuff (which was why the Tesla numbers were so off previously). But its hard to fault them for providing it (because they have to, legally). And I AM glad that the EPA number is at least closer to real world numbers (way more accurate than the WLTP, and CLTC cycles for how we drive).

I really just feel like the EPA metric for EV's just be changed to "city efficiency" and "highway efficiency at 70mph" or something like that. Or maybe just a "city combined range" and "highway/road trip range" number. Either would be better than we have right now.
 
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Scout wanted to build an EV for the majority of the people - not just a majority of the people who have already adopted EV's. Range anxiety is a major reason many of those people have not considered EV's in the past. The Silverado might solve some of that anxiety, only to be hit with price shock. So they still have not made an EV for the majority of the people.

Now the second issue is most larger EV's have barely broken 2m/kwh. Now since Scout has started with a blank slate (rather than a legacy design), perhaps they they will get slightly better than average. But if we start with 2.5m/kwh - and 140kwh of battery... Well we hit 350mile range...

Now the other issue is how m/kwh is calculated. Sadly, speed is the enimy here. Google says the Rivian does not even hit 2m/kwh at highway speed. Honestly, I really don't care as much about average m/kwh as I care about m/kwh at highway speed. If I am not on a highway, the odds are I will not be putting that many miles on per day anyway.
 
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It would be cool to see a graph of kWh vs speed on the dash, with a little arrow pointing to where I am on the efficiency curve. A little feedback mechanism to help put the concept of drag as the square of velocity in context.