From a Tesla and Lightning Owner: Here’s What I Need to See from Scout

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I owned a Tesla. I also own a Lightning—and I wanted to offer some feedback.

Example:

In the past couple of months, I test-drove several other vehicles I would’ve considered—non-EVs. I drove a Chevy Tahoe with the 3.0, a GMC Yukon with the 3.0, the Sierra EV, and the Silverado EV. Chevy’s killing it with EV range—nearly 500 miles all-electric. The problem? I can’t fit in any of them. Not the Suburban, not the Yukon, not the Silverado, not the Sierra—whether it’s the EV or the regular ICE version. I contacted GM to let them know they screwed up. They missed out on a sale.




Safety
Tesla usually gets the tech right, but I had a serious issue. Dog Mode said it was on, and the app confirmed it. After walking out, I discovered the air wasn’t actually on—which is dangerous for my dog. Then there’s the “auto shut-off to save power” thing some EVs do, like the Lightning. It might sound smart, but it’s dangerous. If someone or a pet is inside, that kind of feature can be deadly. It’s a problem. If I leave my vehicle on, I expect it to still be on when I return. I don’t need hand-holding.
Likewise, I don’t trust the Lightning to keep my dog safe either, with all the auto shutdown quirks.




Range
Tesla grossly misleads with their range. I did a test between my Tesla and my Lightning. The Tesla couldn’t even make it 200 miles—didn’t even hit 170—and it claims 320. The Lightning? It made it, despite being much heavier.




Interior
Ford doesn’t have Tesla-level tech. But they’re doing a lot of things right. First, space—I fit in the vehicle and have shoulder room. Tesla fails at interior space. This is where the full-size F-150 shines. I’m 6'3" with wide shoulders, and I can fit in the front and back, no problem. I love the huge frunk on the Lightning and the overall roominess. Second, features—I can close the roof and have shade. Everyone thinks a full moonroof is cool until it’s 110 degrees in the summer. That wears off quick. If you’re going to have a moonroof, you’d better include a cover—preferably automatic like I have in the Lightning. If not, at least give buyers a way to clip one in. Nobody wants to cook inside their own vehicle just to look at the sky.



Solar Power built-in

Every other manufacturer has gotten this wrong. They have 1kw DIY kits available for the lightnings bed. Tesla almost implemented it with Cybertruck but failed. I want to see an EV that charges itself and does it well.




Power On Board
Another thing I love about the Lightning is all the plugs. I can power whatever I need—especially in emergencies. I’ve run refrigerators during a power outage, even powered my whole house (within reason: fridge, AC unit, essentials).
I’ve also powered a workstation while sitting in a parking lot—just because I needed to. It turned the truck into a mobile office. It was amazing.
The Lightning has four outlets in the front, two inside, another four in the back, and either a 30- or 50-amp outlet (I forget). It’s enough to do anything I’ve ever needed. Huge selling point.




Lighting
Another win for the Lightning—zone lighting. The ambient lights illuminate the entire area around the truck. Super useful.




Cameras
Tesla nails the camera system—not just in the app but in everyday use. Most manufacturers, including Ford, think they need to hold your hand. Once you go above 10 mph, the cameras shut off or say “not available while driving.”
Tesla doesn’t do that. You can view the cameras at any speed—and it’s genuinely useful. Being able to remotely view all the cameras/Sentry footage with Tesla app for security is good. Also, being able to view the cameras while driving the Tesla is so important. Ford? Fail and fail.




Customization
This is what I love about Tesla. I can change my lock sounds to whatever I want—from the Helldivers theme to a quack or fart sound. My horn is a fart, and the family laughs every time. The megaphone feature, the music, the games—they make the experience fun.
Ford? Nothing.




Design
Tesla has excellent design cues. Ford just copies Tesla—but not even the best parts. The little automatic flap, the oversized center console, the vertical screen—it all feels like a cheap imitation.
And there’s no sentry mode or dashcam, despite all the cameras. Even Google’s talking about letting Android Auto users record and view vehicle feeds. That should’ve been standard in the Ford.
The Ford app is basic—it doesn’t control the features that make the Lightning great. Tesla’s app, on the other hand, controls cameras, sentry footage, climate, and more.


Air Conditioning

Ford wins. Tesla sucks. You can feel the air from the Ford but they are known for good AC. Secondly.. Heated and cooled seats.. love it.



Now, back to Scout.


  • I recommend that the 150 miles you're claiming from the range extender should be unlimited as long as it's stocked with fuel.
  • I recommend competing directly with the F-150 in onboard power. Let the range extender feed into that system too. with Bi-directional power. Also, the cabin space should be equal to or larger than the F-150.
  • I recommend pushing range beyond 500 miles. Chevy’s doing 500 with a 200kWh battery—why stop short?
  • I pitched this to Tesla, Rivian, and Ford: You need a built-in solar panel in the bed cover—or another creative implementation. People say it won't get much range, but when you're camping for a week and the truck just sits there, 10–20 miles a day adds up. It also supports auxiliary power. Even the 2010 Prius did that. Something is better than nothing—and this would actually be useful.
  • Your ambient lighting? I'd like to see RGB customization Light show. Don't just leave it red. People want to personalize their space.



Conclusion
I really debated getting a Ford PowerBoost over the Lightning, but I didn’t want to give up certain features I’d come to enjoy on the Tesla. So I went with the Lightning—even though it can’t go 700 miles like the PowerBoost.


There are always pros and cons. No perfect vehicle. But you have a real opportunity to fill the gap.


So don’t make the same mistake Chevy did and lose a sale. Actually make sure people like me can fit in your vehicles. My shoulders fit in a Ford—but not in any Chevy. Can you imagine not fitting in a Tahoe? Like—how do you screw that up? Cram the seat against the rail and throw in a giant center console that blocks your knee? What the hell. I’m not even “big boy” status—I just have wide shoulders. I should be able to fit in a vehicle, especially one that costs that much.


What worries me is your SUV’s massive center console. That’s fine—as long as you make the vehicle wide enough to accommodate it without jamming the seat into the door and do have room for the legs to spread out!


Bottom line: Take all the technology Tesla does right, all the usability and utility Ford gets right—and refine it into your own thing. That’s exactly what I’m looking for. And I know a lot of other people are too.

** I would love to see a full rear windshield rolling down similar to Nissan.. (This would make it interesting with a camper shell or shell in general to extend AC to back.) Not like how Chevy and Ford and Toyota do it. Oh and don't make the headrests push your head forward. We need neutral spine. Allow for good positions. And you're dead on for having physical buttons. I forgot about sound.. but Tesla no doubt wins with crystal clear sound and built-in sub. Ford advertises good sound but it doesn't come close. Sound proofing for road noise is good in both.
 
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I’m in favor of these. Read about them like a year ago. The only negative is getting them fixed when they decide to break or just not function. It’s a tough call. I’m a fan of auto hi-beams as well-just wish they worked a split second faster
I agree this technology is expensive but I feel my life, my Wife’s and my Grand Daughter’s life as well as the Lives of the other driver’s and their Family’s are worth it. Regardless of the cost.

I’ve read replacing it is very expensive.

I hope Scout is listening!
 
I can easily do that for both the Mustang and the Lightning.



I don’t know what you mean by “adaptive driving beams” but I have an anti-glare feature on the Lightning: I leave the high-beams on and vehicles in front of the truck are detected by the truck. Based on the vehicle’s relative location, the matrix headlights dim the section that would blind the driver of the other vehicle. This detection is for an oncoming vehicle or those I am overtaking.

I knew Ford had this is Europe but didn’t realize it was in the lightning here in the US.

Ford is not doing a good job of marketing it as a feature in the US.

How to ‘activate it’ is all over the forums, now that I search for it. Not activated by default. Might confuse American drivers and make them think their system is malfunctioning

 
So I have a question about the adaptive high beams. It's definitely cool tech but the videos always show it in the country. How does it work in a city? Can it spot a pedestrian/bicyclist and not blind them? I'm specifically concerned with Audi's laser-based headlights - how can they be sure there isn't a pair of eyeballs out there being fried?

As to the OP. What Tesla did you have? Surprising lack of details in your post. I have never had dog mode fail but when you close the door you need to glance in at the main screen - it displays that dog mode is on and the current interior temp. It also asks people not to call the cops :P. Are you saying that the main screen said dog mode but the car didn't cool?

No quibble on Tesla's range figures - they have always been grossly high. I blame the feds for allowing them to do this. There is a kind of fudge factor that the manufacturers can use - Tesla tends to crank it. Car and Driver is pretty good about doing standardized highway range tests.

Onboard power - the Scouts were shown with outlets although only the Terra has a 240V/30A plug (same as other EV trucks). Scout has said they will support V2H so you will be able to get 240V out of the Traveller but will need the proper connections in your house (hardwired EVSE [charger], isolation switch, etc.)

Onboard solar I consider a gimmick. I guess if you spend a ton of time camping and the truck will sit for days in the sun it could make a difference but I don't see it really delivering much range in real world use.

Range is a tough one. Everyone wants it but no one wants to pay for it. The Silverado is the range king but had the batter and price to match. Scout will not compete in this area. It will rapidly take the price into the stratosphere. Chevy is having a hard time moving Silverado EVs rt now. If you're towing a lot, get the EREV, if you're not towing, you don't need 500 miles of range. After 3 hours I'm ready to use the restroom and stretch my legs. With today's charging tech you can get a huge chunk of charge in the 15 mins it takes to stop.
 
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Can't say I've ever seen a need for high beams (or my adaptive highs) in a city environment...

They typically come in handy in the country though - particularly if you are worried about wildlife on the side of a windy road.
 
I owned a Tesla. I also own a Lightning—and I wanted to offer some feedback.



Customization
This is what I love about Tesla. I can change my lock sounds to whatever I want—from the Helldivers theme to a quack or fart sound. My horn is a fart, and the family laughs every time. The megaphone feature, the music, the games—they make the experience fun.
Ford? Nothing.

I’ve debated about whether or not I should share this feedback for fear of looking like a joyless shrew, but why deprive you of a good time?

Here’s a counterpoint on the ability to make a custom fart horn. I’ll try to format it like a ChatGPT.
  • To each their own. Humor is subjective and I genuinely believe it is a shitty (no pun intended) thing to frown upon people for the things that they find funny and for what brings a little joy into their life and that’s why I hesitated to say anything: who the hell am I to be the arbiter of good taste? I’m someone with as valid of an opinion and as much right to voice it as the proud fart- horn haver, that’s who. Take it as you will.
  • I am someone who absolutely laughs at sophomoric, puerile humor, but I think other automakers haven’t jumped on this one because they’re making automobiles for adults who use those horns in appropriate situations where the horn is needed, not to entertain their kids.
  • A horn has a purpose. It’s there for safety.
  • As a divorced grown woman who is not actively searching for a partner but wouldn’t be angry if one showed up, I gotta say that this was like instant birth control, my man.
  • Brakes could probably blow bubbles, but it doesn’t mean that they should.
  • If I heard a particularly obnoxious custom horn at 5 in the morning, I would strongly consider vandalizing the car and I would also hold the owner responsible for disturbing the covenant of quiet enjoyment.
  • End of hot take.
 
The most useful place for the adaptive high beams is on the freeway.
Can't say I've ever seen a need for high beams (or my adaptive highs) in a city environment...

They typically come in handy in the country though - particularly if you are worried about wildlife on the side of a windy road.
I turn off my high beams in the city because despite their usefulness, programmers are not very good at predicting weird situations where having the brights come on accidentally could be problematic.

They’re most useful for me on the freeway. I can leave the brights on and they’ll shut down the proper LEDs for other drives but tend to leave the brights on the side of the road where I’m most likely to encounter wildlife attempting to cross the freeway.
 
I’ve debated about whether or not I should share this feedback for fear of looking like a joyless shrew, but why deprive you of a good time?

Here’s a counterpoint on the ability to make a custom fart horn. I’ll try to format it like a ChatGPT.
  • To each their own. Humor is subjective and I genuinely believe it is a shitty (no pun intended) thing to frown upon people for the things that they find funny and for what brings a little joy into their life and that’s why I hesitated to say anything: who the hell am I to be the arbiter of good taste? I’m someone with as valid of an opinion and as much right to voice it as the proud fart- horn haver, that’s who. Take it as you will.
  • I am someone who absolutely laughs at sophomoric, puerile humor, but I think other automakers haven’t jumped on this one because they’re making automobiles for adults who use those horns in appropriate situations where the horn is needed, not to entertain their kids.
  • A horn has a purpose. It’s there for safety.
  • As a divorced grown woman who is not actively searching for a partner but wouldn’t be angry if one showed up, I gotta say that this was like instant birth control, my man.
  • Brakes could probably blow bubbles, but it doesn’t mean that they should.
  • If I heard a particularly obnoxious custom horn at 5 in the morning, I would strongly consider vandalizing the car and I would also hold the owner responsible for disturbing the covenant of quiet enjoyment.
  • End of hot take.
I agree.

I refuse to even entertain the idea of purchasing a vehicle where these kinds of toys aren’t well-hidden—and quiet—easter eggs and are instead part of their personality. I am a car guy through and through and love fun things, but not if they interfere with others’ peace or with the driveability of the vehicle.

Whenever we approach, the Mustang greets us with a puddle light in the shape of a Mustang. It’s not a heavily advertised part of the personality of the car. It’s just there. It doesn’t cause anyone any distress. It’s not loud or obnoxious. That’s the kind of understated fun that I enjoy. I would return the vehicle as a lemon if it farted when I honked the horn.


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