Okay I don’t know what’s cheap and what’s expensive like I do at a gas station. What’s considered cheap, reasonable and Lordy don’t stop there find somewhere else?
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Good to have the info. We walked in the park around the corner this weekend and checked the sole charger. It’s only $.20/Kwh so hopefully that holds over time. Just nice as a back up
Will the charging apps. Keep you informed about surge, peak/off-peak pricing like my home electric company does?
This is subjective. Others will have different answers.Okay I don’t know what’s cheap and what’s expensive like I do at a gas station. What’s considered cheap, reasonable and Lordy don’t stop there find somewhere else?
Reasonable has been ~$0.30-$0.48 / kWh.
Cheap is below that.
Expensive is $0.50-$0.65/kWh.
Outrageous is $0.66+/kWh
Some states don’t allow non-utilities charging for electricity directly. In those states, they have to charge for the parking by the minute.
The math is: $/hour / average charge rate, which means each vehicle gets a different cost per kWh. And it means you can get a much lower cost by only charging during the early, high-rate charge rate instead of charging to the top-end.
If, for example, your vehicle charges at an average rate of 120 kW and the cost is $1/minute, then you’re paying $60/hour / 120 kW = $0.50/kWh.
If you charge for just the first 15 minutes and your vehicle charges at, say, 240 kW for those first 15 minutes, then you’re paying $0.25/kWh.
If you wait to reach 85% and the charge rate average is dropped to 60 kW, then you’re paying $1/kWh.
IMO, the better way to understand cost is the per-mile cost.
If you get 15 mpg in your Jeep and the cost of fuel is $3.00/gallon, then you’re paying $3.00/15 = $0.20/mile.
If you get 30 mpg, then you’re paying $0.10/mile.
I get about 2.5 miles/kWh in my truck. If I pay $0.50/kWh, then I’m paying $0.20/mile.
Some of them will let you research the costs, but none of them have ever sent me a notice about changing costs.
I apologize if this has already been asked, but those of you with EVs, how long did the "Spirited Driving Phase" last?
When I get a new car I tend to drive a little more aggressively to find the limits and enjoy the performance aspect of my new toy. This usually entails giving it the beans with the kids or new passengers. Fuel range usually suffered for a few months then I settled into driving them normally and efficiency went way up.
...BUT, I have also never had a vehicle that made more than 400ft-lbs of torque and imagine it can be quite addicting with so much power on tap. I have a really peppy dirt bike with a 900cc parallel twin engine that makes 110hp and its a riot. I cannot ride it gingerly. Once I bang through the first few gears I am in Nirvana and the world just melts away. Having a similar power to weight ratio in a pickup is something I cant quite wrap my head around.
Do you still give it the gusto once in a while, still drive aggressively, have always driven conservatively, driving habits remained unchanged, etc.?
When I get a new car I tend to drive a little more aggressively to find the limits and enjoy the performance aspect of my new toy. This usually entails giving it the beans with the kids or new passengers. Fuel range usually suffered for a few months then I settled into driving them normally and efficiency went way up.
...BUT, I have also never had a vehicle that made more than 400ft-lbs of torque and imagine it can be quite addicting with so much power on tap. I have a really peppy dirt bike with a 900cc parallel twin engine that makes 110hp and its a riot. I cannot ride it gingerly. Once I bang through the first few gears I am in Nirvana and the world just melts away. Having a similar power to weight ratio in a pickup is something I cant quite wrap my head around.
Do you still give it the gusto once in a while, still drive aggressively, have always driven conservatively, driving habits remained unchanged, etc.?
Hehe...
I…um…might have hit the accelerator pretty hard a few times in the last few days. More than a few times.
I usually drive it like a good kid. The nice thing is that you don’t have to drive it wildly. It does so many things well that driving it like a pickup is just as satisfying as driving it like a race car.
When a coal roller pulls up along side you, it’s part of the contract that you pass the next light before they’re out of the first intersection. And you’ll do it silently.
As a fellow motorcyclist, I’ll tell you that the acceleration on my bike feels nothing like the acceleration of my cage. The cage is far more thrilling for me. But also far easier to take it easy too. I haven’t ridden in more than two years.
I appreciate the insight. It may finally be time to get a radar detector.
I think you'll find top speed isn't anything too worrisome. It's the acceleration.I appreciate the insight. It may finally be time to get a radar detector.
Ya. Just leave the window down and when your hair blows back slow down.
Quick question. Those of you that are 2 EV families, do you have 2 chargers or do you alternate vehicles somehow to keep them charged. Thanks!!
While two chargers might be ideal many home electrical system can only manage one.
So in that case what do you do. Every other night alternate charging? Something else?
I listened to a podcast about EVs recently and the guy they were interviewing was talking about how his family of 4, with 4 EVs and only one charger, would work together on whose day it is to charge.
Probably one of those things you just have to feel out depending on who is driving where and what each vehicles range is.
It depends on when your off-peak hours with your utility company are.
Here in Florida for example: from April 1 to October 31 the off-peak hours are as follows.
6am - 12pm
9pm - 6am
Weekends & holidays.
I am sure you could easily juggle two vehicle around these hours for the best charging rates.
Just to be complete the off-peak hours November 1 - March 31 are as follows.
10am-6pm
10pm-6am
Weekends & holidays.
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I think two would be more than manageable on a single charger
Most EVs these days have some kind of app. Let the Apps. decide based on the vehicle(s) usage in the family. Could work.
For my company I had to upgrade our electrical service entrance panel to 400 Amps, which is significantly larger than the typical 100 Amp panel. So we have the space for two Level 2 EVSEs. I actually have three L2 EVSEs installed at this time. Because one of them stopped accepting my charge rate settings and I found a different one on sale.
For a short time we had two EVs on two Level 1 EVSEs. Then I finally installed our first L2. We ran the Mustang on the L2 and the truck on L1 except when we needed to have the truck charge more quickly. This is the setup I would imagine would work well for most 2 EV families with a place for a Level 2 EVSE install.
If you have access to two 120 V plugs on separate circuits, you can run two EVSEs. It's not necessarily ideal, but it's possible.
Level 1 charging isn't super fast, but most of us have a lot of time between when we get home and when we leave for work the next day. Those of us fortunate enough to work from home have even more time to accumulate charge.
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In my opinion, people dismiss L1 too quickly. It's imperfect, but so is life.
I would start with L1 for one EV, and an L2 and an L1 for two EVs.
A friend of mine has a Mustang Mach-E similar to mine. He's had his L2 still boxed sitting in the garage for more than a year and is considering selling it because it's not been necessary for his use pattern. In addition to regular commuting, he drives a 250 mile trip once a week and still hasn't found the need for L2 compelling enough to pay the install cost.
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