What's it like to take a road trip in a truck like the Terra (F-150 Lightning)?

[THil08]

But 2.85 is great for gas Ours in Lancaster area is 3.35-3.40/gallon. Every scenario I’ve tried to run (have the hybrid now) I will save about 25-35% in fuel costs annually. That said, my daily commute is only 7 miles round trip, I work from home 2-3 days a week. I will start doing more of our long distance rather than using the Pilot so I’ll be curious of actual but this type of experience info is very helpful

On the Jersey shore, we call the prices right now the local summer prices. They lower the prices for us locals. Which it also happens to be local summer, meaning it’s low 60s mid 50s, still beach weather to us. But in the summer it’s about 3.25-3.50 and the gas stations get all the money from the damn Benny’s.

I would be interested to see if anyone could run the numbers for a mock version of the harvester for me. And compare it to the prices of gas I pay for my 76’ f150.

So far with owning the F150 I have spent $200 and have gone total of 270 miles. With a daily commute of 3 miles to school and back round trip. 74 cents a mile. It might get cheaper, now that I discovered a few misfires in cylinders due to a crapped out ignition coil. But i would go with those numbers.

 

[J Alynn]

On the Jersey shore, we call the prices right now the local summer prices. They lower the prices for us locals. Which it also happens to be local summer, meaning it’s low 60s mid 50s, still beach weather to us. But in the summer it’s about 3.25-3.50 and the gas stations get all the money from the damn Benny’s.

I would be interested to see if anyone could run the numbers for a mock version of the harvester for me. And compare it to the prices of gas I pay for my 76’ f150.

So far with owning the F150 I have spent $200 and have gone total of 270 miles. With a daily commute of 3 miles to school and back round trip.

I prefer your beaches this time of year way more.

 

[THil08]

I prefer your beaches this time of year way more.

Less crowded. The land scape is nicer. The waves are bigger.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

This was why when I saw we could buy the Ioniq 9 for the same price as a grand Highlander or Palisade, it was a no brainer to go with the EV.

Our combination of cheap electricity and pretty expensive fuel is like the perfect situation.

And a used 3 row suv like a Honda Pilot or a Palisade or Nissan pathfinder would have been cheaper. But after you account for the 18mpg those get, after a few years you end up more than making up the purchase price difference.

Yep.

I think we talked about this in another thread. I have a spreadsheet that runs up to a million scenarios to model as many possible scenarios as I can. I recently ran it for someone who lives in Seattle considering two very different vehicles: A $55k Subaru Outback ICE or a $116k Rivian R1S. After 5-7 years, they will be saving money by buying the Rivian. (I did not include a model where they invested the capital difference.)

 

[Logan]

On the Jersey shore, we call the prices right now the local summer prices. They lower the prices for us locals. Which it also happens to be local summer, meaning it’s low 60s mid 50s, still beach weather to us. But in the summer it’s about 3.25-3.50 and the gas stations get all the money from the damn Benny’s.

I would be interested to see if anyone could run the numbers for a mock version of the harvester for me. And compare it to the prices of gas I pay for my 76’ f150.

So far with owning the F150 I have spent $200 and have gone total of 270 miles. With a daily commute of 3 miles to school and back round trip. 74 cents a mile. It might get cheaper, now that I discovered a few misfires in cylinders due to a crapped out ignition coil. But i would go with those numbers.

Assuming those 270 miles were for your 3 mile round trip commute, and you never went more than 150 miles in a stretch, the harvester and the BEV version would be exactly the same.

Assuming a worst case efficiency of about 2 miles per kWh, your 270 miles of driving would use 135kwh of electricity.

And at $0.16 per kWh, charging it a home would have cost you $21.60.

So a savings of about $180.

Or, it costs about 1/10 as much as your F150 to run when using electricity. And likely still cheaper than the F150 even if running on the harvester the whole time (I’d guess about harvester will get at least 3x the mpg of your f150).

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

On the Jersey shore, we call the prices right now the local summer prices. They lower the prices for us locals. Which it also happens to be local summer, meaning it’s low 60s mid 50s, still beach weather to us. But in the summer it’s about 3.25-3.50 and the gas stations get all the money from the damn Benny’s.

I would be interested to see if anyone could run the numbers for a mock version of the harvester for me. And compare it to the prices of gas I pay for my 76’ f150.

So far with owning the F150 I have spent $200 and have gone total of 270 miles. With a daily commute of 3 miles to school and back round trip. 74 cents a mile. It might get cheaper, now that I discovered a few misfires in cylinders due to a crapped out ignition coil. But i would go with those numbers.

$0.74/mile for the F-150.
The Harvester will be going 500 miles per tank, 150 on electricity and 350 on gas.
You stated your electricity is $0.16/kWh. Let’s assume a 2.4 miles/kWh average like the Lightning and maybe something equivalent to 30 mpg for the gasoline engine.

150 miles / 2.4 miles/kWh = 63 kWh * $0.16/kWh = $10, or $0.06/mile
350 miles / 30 mpg = 11.67 gallons * $3.25/gal = $37.91, or $0.10/mile

For the 500 miles, you get $10+$37.91, or $47.91/500 miles = $0.096/mile.

If you drive 15,000 miles a year:
Harvester: $1437/year
1976 F-150: $11,100/year

 

[THil08]

Assuming those 270 miles were for your 3 mile round trip commute, and you never went more than 150 miles in a stretch, the harvester and the BEV version would be exactly the same.

Assuming a worst case efficiency of about 2 miles per kWh, your 270 miles of driving would use 135kwh of electricity.

And at $0.16 per kWh, charging it a home would have cost you $21.60.

So a savings of about $180.

Or, it costs about 1/10 as much as your F150 to run when using electricity. And likely still cheaper than the F150 even if running on the harvester the whole time (I’d guess about harvester will get at least 3x the mpg of your f150).

Thats not bad. I can use that extra cash to help continue to restore the old ford so one day i will achieve my goal of getting a trophy at a car show. Along with maybe making it more efficient by updating its 2bbl carburetor to a Holley EFI II system which is close to fuel injection.

And yes about 85% of the 270 is a bunch of 3miles. Some times a Home Depot run and a municipal dump run.

 

[THil08]

$0.74/mile for the F-150.
The Harvester will be going 500 miles per tank, 150 on electricity and 350 on gas.
You stated your electricity is $0.16/kWh. Let’s assume a 2.4 miles/kWh average like the Lightning and maybe something equivalent to 30 mpg for the gasoline engine.

150 miles / 2.4 miles/kWh = 63 kWh * $0.16/kWh = $10, or $0.06/mile
350 miles / 30 mpg = 11.67 gallons * $3.25/gal = $37.91, or $0.10/mile

For the 500 miles, you get $10+$37.91 = $0.096/mile.

If you drive 15,000 miles a year:
Harvester: $1437/year
1976 F-150: $11,100/year

Harvester isn't looking so bad for me after all. Im sure an EV would be fine for my use, but I like the idea of being able to gas and go. And the peace of mind for my ADHD brain.

 

[THil08]

$0.74/mile for the F-150.
The Harvester will be going 500 miles per tank, 150 on electricity and 350 on gas.
You stated your electricity is $0.16/kWh. Let’s assume a 2.4 miles/kWh average like the Lightning and maybe something equivalent to 30 mpg for the gasoline engine.

150 miles / 2.4 miles/kWh = 63 kWh * $0.16/kWh = $10, or $0.06/mile
350 miles / 30 mpg = 11.67 gallons * $3.25/gal = $37.91, or $0.10/mile

For the 500 miles, you get $10+$37.91 = $0.096/mile.

If you drive 15,000 miles a year:
Harvester: $1437/year
1976 F-150: $11,100/year

Assuming those 270 miles were for your 3 mile round trip commute, and you never went more than 150 miles in a stretch, the harvester and the BEV version would be exactly the same.

Assuming a worst case efficiency of about 2 miles per kWh, your 270 miles of driving would use 135kwh of electricity.

And at $0.16 per kWh, charging it a home would have cost you $21.60.

So a savings of about $180.

Or, it costs about 1/10 as much as your F150 to run when using electricity. And likely still cheaper than the F150 even if running on the harvester the whole time (I’d guess about harvester will get at least 3x the mpg of your f150).

Thank you guys for doing the math calculations. I would've been confused being that I'm used to ICE calculations and not EV type stuff.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Assuming those 270 miles were for your 3 mile round trip commute, and you never went more than 150 miles in a stretch, the harvester and the BEV version would be exactly the same.

Assuming a worst case efficiency of about 2 miles per kWh, your 270 miles of driving would use 135kwh of electricity.

And at $0.16 per kWh, charging it a home would have cost you $21.60.

So a savings of about $180.

Or, it costs about 1/10 as much as your F150 to run when using electricity. And likely still cheaper than the F150 even if running on the harvester the whole time (I’d guess about harvester will get at least 3x the mpg of your f150).

If the Scout were only used for that commute, this is the better way to estimate it.

One caveat is that the Harvester *will* run sometimes. It needs to run to maintain its health, so there will be a slight extra cost of fuel even if the vehicle never goes far enough to “need” the engine.

 

[J Alynn]

$0.74/mile for the F-150.
The Harvester will be going 500 miles per tank, 150 on electricity and 350 on gas.
You stated your electricity is $0.16/kWh. Let’s assume a 2.4 miles/kWh average like the Lightning and maybe something equivalent to 30 mpg for the gasoline engine.

150 miles / 2.4 miles/kWh = 63 kWh * $0.16/kWh = $10, or $0.06/mile
350 miles / 30 mpg = 11.67 gallons * $3.25/gal = $37.91, or $0.10/mile

For the 500 miles, you get $10+$37.91, or $47.91/500 miles = $0.096/mile.

If you drive 15,000 miles a year:
Harvester: $1437/year
1976 F-150: $11,100/year

Wow. That a huge savings

 

[THil08]

If the Scout were only used for that commute, this is the better way to estimate it.

One caveat is that the Harvester *will* run sometimes. It needs to run to maintain its health, so there will be a slight extra cost of fuel even if the vehicle never goes far enough to “need” the engine.

I believe its said that pretty much any ICE engine should run for at least 15 minutes a week to splash oil. And to make sure seals are properly lubricated.

 

[THil08]

Wow. That a huge savings

GAS GUZZLER!!!!!! Lol and FE360v8 wasn't the most efficient of its time, but it also wasn't the most least efficient engine ford had... cough cough 460v8.

 

[J Alynn]

GAS GUZZLER!!!!!! Lol and FE360v8 wasn't the most efficient of its time, but it also wasn't the most least efficient engine ford had... cough cough 460v8.

I realize none of them were efficient. My TLX type S was barely getting 20mpg but when you see the price of savings it’s pretty eye opening

 

[THil08]

I realize none of them were efficient. My TLX type S was barely getting 20mpg but when you see the price of savings it’s pretty eye opening

i do have to say as bad as my trucks MPG is. Its not as bad as my friend who has a TRX. He gets anywhere from 1.8-2.4MPG. Mind you it's a brand new truck. And my 50 year old truck has better MPG. But my Harvester will be a game changer!

 

[Logan]

i do have to say as bad as my trucks MPG is. Its not as bad as my friend who has a TRX. He gets anywhere from 1.8-2.4MPG. Mind you it's a brand new truck. And my 50 year old truck has better MPG. But my Harvester will be a game changer!

Wow.

2mpg is bad. Like, almost not believably low.

I can’t recall hearing anything with near that bad of mpg coming out in ages.

Does your buddy have an incredible lead foot? Or like… tow uphill, everywhere?

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

If someone wants to double-check my math and/or give me better guesses for efficiency of the Harvester, I’m totally open to it, of course.
I did check my estimates against @Logan’s and if you extend Logan's math to 15,000 miles, we get similar results.

 

[Logan]

The lowest MPG I’ve ever seen for a vehicle I drove myself, is about 4.7mpg if memory serves.

A 2006 F150 with a V6. It was towing a dual axle trailer, and had a bed full of gear, and a cab full of people. Started in Denver, and was towing that up over Loveland pass, to grand junction. I had to get gas somewhere before alpine? Either way, it was shockingly bad.

And it didn’t tow it particularly well either. Some of the passes we were at redline and doing like 40mph.

Wasn’t my vehicle. I just ended up driving because no one else had driven a trailer. We didn’t do the drive back with the same vehicle. I wasn’t willing to do that again .

 

[Logan]

If someone wants to double-check my math and/or give me better guesses for efficiency of the Harvester, I’m totally open to it, of course.
I did check my estimates against @Logan’s and if you extend Logan's math to 15,000 miles, we get similar results.

I did the same.

And considering we are doing math based on ballpark efficiency numbers as stand ins for real numbers. I’d say that being in the same ballpark is pretty good.

More than one way to skin a cat and all that .