There are lots of other reasons that Tesla gets hate, predominantly its owner.
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I have a 5 kWh auxiliary battery / power station that I charge before leaving home when we're on road trips or going camping. When we camp, I also bring 400-800 Watts of solar. The auxiliary battery does two things: 1) it runs a dual-zone fridge/freezer; 2) it can be used to recharge the truck a little bit when we're camping.
Because my fridge will never use all 5 kWh in the auxiliary power station, I use the extra to charge up the truck. When we get to our camp site, if there's no RV hookups available, we set out the solar panels and start charging power station with the panels and the truck with the power station. The power station drains faster than 800 W can feed it, but solar does slow that drain down. I stop the power station from going to 0% by stopping the truck charging at around 15% left in the power station. The next day, I let the battery charge up to 95% or so and then start charging the truck.
Over a long weekend (3-4 days), I can add about 30-60 miles of range to the truck. If I carry more solar panels, I could charge more, but that quickly becomes less than convenient. I usually camp in the US southwest, so I get lots of great sun for charging.
When we're on road trips, I usually charge the power station at one DCFC per day, just to keep the power station topped up. It's usually only a few hundred Wh, so it's a meaningless addition to the total charge time. Sometimes, if it's a particularly hot trip, I'll turn on the truck's power supply while driving and the power station will stay charged up (it has passthrough charging). The fridge draws less than 100 Watts at its most aggressive, and that's at about 20% duty cycle, so it doesn't reduce range appreciably.
I wouldn't waste money on the EcoFlow if you have an EV with a 120V outlet. Yes, it might be able to recharge the power station faster, but on a road trip do you care if it takes an hour or five to recharge the auxiliary power station?
Thank you for your response. Great to receive guidance based on real world experience.
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I know that policies change like a pendulum, but do you all electric EV owners feel somewhat betrayed by the government?
I suppose one reason for buying an all electric EV was because we were given a deadline for some vehicles to change to electric and that more EV chargers would be installed throughout the US. Now the programs that were supposed to fund the installation of chargers has stalled.
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Not for me. The EVs I’ve owned never lined up timing wise or price wise to get a government incentive. I have a charger at home and a charger at work. I think there will still be more and more public charging stations built as the EV fleet grows naturally and consumers demand it.
Other than receiving a tax incentive / rebate, the government had no impact on my decision. I had to wait 2+ years to get my truck, so there weren't any guarantees and there weren't any mandates. I had been following Rivian's progress and placed an early pre-order - for a variety of reasons (NOT b/c of the Gov't.). The incentives were simply a bonus, and Rivan (and others) have already added more infrastructure. I have charged at Rivian RAN stations 4 times in the last month (that didn't exist when I bought my truck in 2022).
States have varying incentives, so it will be interesting to see state-by-state if those stick.
Remember, for most EV owners the majority of their charging happens on L2's at home or at work (not at DCFC's). When people talk about "infrastructure" they typically are talking about DCFC fast charging and are typically concerned with being inconvenienced on longer road trips trying to find a charger. In reality, and at least on the major corridors here on the East Coast, that is not problematic.
Currently in an EV9. No tax credit since it was built in Korea. NEVI roll back sucks for overall progress, but for us the NEVI chargers typical are slower architecture, so more of a back up option.
EVs are generally pretty awesome. Better charging architecture would be great, so would infra. But look at the Escalade IQ. If that kind of range/ charging gets to the point that it's more affordable, IDK if it matters. Give me 550 miles with 10 minutes charging at a reasonable price and I'm not sure why anyone would buy an ICE vehicle.
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I don’t feel betrayed. Betrayal implies there was trust before the betrayal. I’ve never trusted the current batch even a little bit. And I knew this would be the likely consequence.
Do I need more chargers to be installed? No, not really. I’m certain there's nowhere driveable in North America that I can’t get to with my EVs.
Would it change how I drive if no new chargers are installed? Yeah, of course. Just like when traveling with a travel trailer, or with kids, or with pets, or with…, being able to adjust behavior and expectations needs to be in everyone’s playbook. If I find our most frequent road trips start to become problematic because of either not enough chargers or too many users, I like to remember that 1) I have control over when I drive, and 2) I have literally thousands of times more charging options than I would have options to refuel with gas—every plug is a potential charging option. Less convenient? Sure. Impossible? Not at all. And for the places I want to go where there aren’t any plugs, I have solar options.
And the reason I bought EVs was I was tired of driving an ancient, inefficient, noisy technology. I’m a car guy. I love exciting car things. Modern EVs are the newest thing to come along in automobiles in…well, ever, really. Nothing else could possibly be as exciting as playing with the new technology. (I don’t do nostalgia, so old tech doesn’t interest me unless I’ve never seen it before.)
I do think it’s incredibly backward-looking and harmful to our domestic auto manufacturers to pull away from the future, but that’s all I’ll say for now.
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Yeah, I’m seriously considering a bumper sticker that says “I bought the car before he was like this”.
That's a great question! My answer is no, I don't feel betrayed. For one, we have different incentives here in Canada and while I did benefit from them when I purchased my EVs they weren't the driving factor. Our incentives have run out here as well and I'm fine with that. Incentives are meant to increase demand but the limited factor to EV adoption has never been low demand. EVs have almost always been supply constrained. I had to wait 9 months for my new EV because car companies never make enough of them. It's only in the last little while that EVs have actually been sitting on lots and you could walk in with money and walk out with a vehicle. That's NORMAL for pretty much every other vehicle but for EV's it apparently signifies the end times if most media outlet were to be believed.
EVs will take over the car market regardless of the incentives in place simply because they are a better technology and offer benefits the outgoing technology doesn't. They're better, cheaper and more convenient vehicles to own and operate. Just as flatscreen TVs overtook CRT TVs, so too will EVs overtake ICE. It's a market disruption and it cannot be stopped (but it can be slowed down a little). All available data from pretty much every car market backs that up.
Our primary motivation for buying an EV was to save on costs. Our first EV we bought used for $13k CAD. It cost me $53 a year to drive that vehicle to work and home every day. Yes, $53. That isn't a typo, I did the math twice. That car alone saved us around $2,500 in fuel per year right there. Our next EV we bought new for the same price we paid for our previous new combustion vehicle so we didn't pay a "premium" to switch and again, we saved about $2k a year in fuel with that one, so for us it was always an economic argument.
And the so-called "EV mandate" or deadline has never been for consumers. It has always been a mandate for car companies to produce enough EVs. As I said earlier, EV adoption has never been demand constrained. Supply has always been the limiting factor. I'm speaking in aggregate for the overall market. Sure you can point to specific vehicles like the MX-30 or something and say "well this EV didn't sell well, there was no demand for it" but those are the outliers and those cases are because those particular vehicles had issues specific to them. It wasn't because they were EVs, it was because they were overpriced or just crappy vehicles. Well-built, reasonably priced, good EVs are - to this day - supply constrained, just ask Hyundai!
Agree. I’m pretty darn good at knowing when (distance to desired stopping point) to let off of pedal to have regen come to a nice, smooth stop. In both EVs I’ve never had to change brake pads…yet another expense I get to avoid…that’s probably the most practical reason to master 1p.
That makes complete sense and hadn’t thought of that. Which is funny because I use the paddle shifters all the time in our cars for the same reason-reducing brake wear
Again, regen != 1 pedal. There’s no reason the brake pedal can’t rely on regen as much as possible.
I have only test driven EVs. Never owned one. When I was test driving the Rivian my husband said I was making him car sick. I’m assuming it was me not having a constant steady pressure on the gas pedal. How long does it take to get used to the differences in an EV versus an ICE?
It’s not really a characteristic of EVs, it’s the way 1 pedal driving is designed/ calibrated. With one pedal driving any time you take your foot off the gas you’re effectively hitting the brakes. You have to be very careful to get a smooth ride. People get hung up on 1 pedal because they think that’s the only way to get regen, but that’s not true, it’s just an unfortunate design choice for certain brands. With many EVs you can drive normal, using brake and gas pedals while still getting the benefits of regen without the jerky, nausea inducing motion.
Drive home from the dealership was similar for us. 1 pedal or some other regen setting takes some getting use to. Maybe a day before it was no longer noticeable. Now I can hit my mark without breaks 95% of the time.
Around town, love 1 pedal. Out on the freeway lvl 0.
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