Scout Pricing and State Rebate Programs

[J Alynn]

Us MA folks might be in luck.

Previously in this thread, I mentioned the MOR-EV state rebate program which gives a $4,000 rebate but the vehicle price has to be under $55,000. I recently did more research and found out that the program has a rebate for trucks called MOR-EV Trucks. The Ford Lightning is currently on the list of eligible vehicles.

If Scout can reach out to the folks in charge of that program prior to launch and get the Scouts approved that would be great. The only thing is that the way the rules are currently written, it might only be the Terra that would qualify unless the Traveler ends up having a GVWR between 8,501 and 10,000 pounds. Makes the case for them having a really big, heavy battery.

The MOR-EV Trucks rebate is $7,500 instead of $4,000, and the vehicle price can be up to $80,000. If you qualify under a certain income level, there's an adder that bumps your rebate up an additional $1,500.

Pick-Ups and Class 2b Vehicles | MOR-EV.org

MOR-EV Trucks offers $7,500 rebates for Class 2 pick-up trucks with a GVWR between 6,000 and 10,000 pounds or other vehicles with a GVWR between 8,501 – 10,000 pounds.

mor-ev.org

Sucks for the rest of us - great for MA

 

[Mousehunter]

Large print giveth, fine print taketh away. My state has never had any additional incentives, but I bet those that did also had taxable income levels tied to it as well. I recall at my office, a couple people used a loophole in the federal tax credit system to get free electric community vehicles. An investment I had gave me an unexpected dividend a couple months after they did their scheme - I would not have qualified for it after the dividend.

On a slightly happy note - did a google search of the vehicle a couple years ago. Turns out they were utter trash and few were still running after 3 years (no spare parts available to fix them either). So essentially, the federal goverment threw money away on something that should not have been eligible in the first place, but was worthless to boot.

 

[R1TVT]

Us MA folks might be in luck.

The MOR-EV Trucks rebate is $7,500 instead of $4,000, and the vehicle price can be up to $80,000. If you qualify under a certain income level, there's an adder that bumps your rebate up an additional $1,500.

I can confirm that this is not a "hoax" in Mass. LOL.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Okay all I have a question. I think it’s the “base model” descriptor that’s giving visions of a stripped down base model. But this is a $57 to $59,000 base model.

I have been trying to think of another car that’s in a comparable class that’s that price for a “base” model.

What do you all think?

The F150 Lightning XLT is the closest competitor for the Terra. I would run through some builds for the XLT (just below $60k, standard range battery) and Flash (just above $60k, mid range battery) on Ford's configurator to see what kind of features, etc, you might be missing.

Some examples: The XLT and Flash both default without the 240 Volt outlet in the bed. That's a $1200 option. The mobile charger is a $600 option.

The Lariat has the long range battery and starts at $77k MSRP.

 

[J Alynn]

The F150 Lightning XLT is the closest competitor for the Terra. I would run through some builds for the XLT (just below $60k, standard range battery) and Flash (just above $60k, mid range battery) on Ford's configurator to see what kind of features, etc, you might be missing.

Some examples: The XLT and Flash both default without the 240 Volt outlet in the bed. That's a $1200 option. The mobile charger is a $600 option.

The Lariat has the long range battery and starts at $77k MSRP.

That brings up a good point. Will the outlets on the Scouts-any of them- be included or will it be an upgrade option? Hearing what Ford is doing makes me think SM may do the same which means the one potential great feature may immediately push the printing over the $60K mark?

 

[R1TVT]

The R1T could also be considered a close competitor, and there were no additional charges for things like outlets when I purchased my truck.

However, the R1T does now have a higher base price for each of the configurations compared to the Ford (dual-motor, tri-motor and quad). The dual motor with max pack (long range) starts at $83,900 now. Range is 410 miles (drops to 370 with AT's on 20's).

 

[OH1984]

Would be nice to see a chart with per state rebates. I’m pretty sure PA doesn’t have any-which sucks

Same with Ohio. I took a hiatus and cancelled my reservation but just reserved again. The base price of $60k without any ev incentives now makes it a much larger commitment.
I currently have the R2 and Scout both reserved and will see what I can figure out for what I will go with and what I can afford

Yep and the $7500 EV Rebate will be long gone by the time these hit the market.

which is sad honestly. Ford and Toyota both making ev with a much larger range selling to China for $20-30k. Europe and Asia will be light years ahead with EV tech without support and advancement. it’s such a great invention let alone the positive impacts with air quality.

 

[R1TVT]

If $50K means you’re lucky to get seats made of cloth and not hard plastic, I’ll be pissed. If they do the bullshit where you get one or two color options at that price point, again, I will be fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking pissed. There’s nothing more obnoxious, classist, and elitist than to say “oh, sorry, dirty poors, you’re only good enough for gray because you’re a dirty poor and you don’t deserve color in your bleak life. Work harder if you want colorful paint.” Rivian does that and it’s obnoxious.

I completely understand the sentiment here, however, there are real cost differences between paint types and it is unfair to think that the OEM should be absorbing costs for upgrades, should they choose to offer them. That would not be a great business model for any company, and there are many companies that do offer different paints at differing price points (that is not unique to Rivian - it is an industry thing). My understanding is that metallic paints, paints that have expensive processes to develop at the paint factory and certain paints with unique pigment types cost more for the OEM to acquire, so the costs simply get passed on. Rivian did offer a limited run of "launch edition green" for early reservation holders at no cost. I took advantage of that!

 

[cyure]

I completely understand the sentiment here, however, there are real cost differences between paint types and it is unfair to think that the OEM should be absorbing costs for upgrades, should they choose to offer them. That would not be a great business model for any company, and there are many companies that do offer different paints at differing price points (that is not unique to Rivian - it is an industry thing). My understanding is that metallic paints, paints that have expensive processes to develop at the paint factory and certain paints with unique pigment types cost more for the OEM to acquire, so the costs simply get passed on. Rivian did offer a limited run of "launch edition green" for early reservation holders at no cost. I took advantage of that!

That’s intriguing. I didn’t realize Rivian did that.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

It is worth pointing out that any manufacturer that is launching a new vehicle (let alone two) in a brand new factory that has never built anything yet will likely start out slowly to ensure quality and with slightly more limited offerings at the start.

Just want to set expectations accordingly. There will likely be a few "launch" configurations in multiple colors and trims as we ramp things up at the factory. Let's see as we get closer to production.

Jamie

 

[dreamweaver]

It is worth pointing out that any manufacturer that is launching a new vehicle (let alone two) in a brand new factory that has never built anything yet will likely start out slowly to ensure quality and with slightly more limited offerings at the start.

Just want to set expectations accordingly. There will likely be a few "launch" configurations in multiple colors and trims as we ramp things up at the factory. Let's see as we get closer to production.

Jamie

I like the sound of ""launch" configurations" can hardly wait.

 

[cyure]

It is worth pointing out that any manufacturer that is launching a new vehicle (let alone two) in a brand new factory that has never built anything yet will likely start out slowly to ensure quality and with slightly more limited offerings at the start.

Just want to set expectations accordingly. There will likely be a few "launch" configurations in multiple colors and trims as we ramp things up at the factory. Let's see as we get closer to production.

Jamie

That’s really good to hear. As they say, slow and steady wins the race. I would rather have Scout be the turtle than the hare.

Here I go with another question. Let’s say your turn comes up to purchase your Scout and your preferred color or trim isn’t available yet, can you defer until what you want is available or would you get put to the back of the line so to speak?

 

[MaddMatt]

My opinions, worth exactly what you paid for them:

The initial price of $50k (with incentives) would have been nice, but one loaded up like a lot of us are imagining was always going to be in the $80k range - same thing happened with Ineos, and the $70k I had budgeted (which would have been a stretch requiring a long term loan for me) ballooned to $106k when I spec'd it out. Just couldn't do it, so I had to cancel my registration on that one - still think those are very cool trucks. Our mid-range Hyundai msrp'd at nearly $50k, and it's great, but its no Scout.

If I can get my Scout in the $80k range the way I want it, 35's, lockers, heated seats and steering wheel (yeah, I said it, I'm getting soft) then I'll make it work. Too much over that, and as much as I want it, I just don't know - we'll have to see what kind of financial journey the next two years brings. You can get a decently spec'd Ineos in the mid $80's new, or low $70's used, but after 8 months of EV driving, I'm in no hurry to go back to ICE. The other recent post about the long expected life of current EV batteries only reinforced my opinion on this.

On paint types, I totally understand how it can feel like car companies only pick boring colors for the entry models, but yeah, as somebody else said, there are significant differences in cost for different paints - if you're keeping costs down, its an obvious place to start. What I hope Scout DOESN'T DO is make complicated packages - Ineos has been good about this, if you want an option just click yes, you can pretty much add anything to anything, or not (unless it creates conflicts). Most major manufacturers make too many "models" (have you tried specing a Jeep lately? You'll never figure it out). Pre spec'd packages make it easier to manufacture, but are really annoying for the customer, hopefully the relatively small volume of Scouts will help in this regard.

In my fantasy, give me 6 paint choices, 2 starting points (Base and OffRoad?) and then a long list of boxes I can click "yes" too - I'll probably say yes to too many things and push my budget hard, but it will be my choice.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

It is worth pointing out that any manufacturer that is launching a new vehicle (let alone two) in a brand new factory that has never built anything yet will likely start out slowly to ensure quality and with slightly more limited offerings at the start.

Just want to set expectations accordingly. There will likely be a few "launch" configurations in multiple colors and trims as we ramp things up at the factory. Let's see as we get closer to production.

Jamie

Will the reservations be good until the customer chooses to take advantage of them, or will there be a time frame after which the reservation will be cancelled by Scout Motors?

For example, Ford asked way too much for my preferred build at launch and so I had to cancel my reservation. I later bought off a lot for 30% less, but couldn't get the specific color and options I had hoped for.

So, say the Launch configurations that are appealing to a customer are out of their price range. Do they have to give up their reservation and basically go to the back of the line, or can they hold that reservation until the non-Launch options are available?

 

[dreamweaver]

That’s really good to hear. As they say, slow and steady wins the race. I would rather have Scout be the turtle than the hare.

Here I go with another question. Let’s say your turn comes up to purchase your Scout and your preferred color or trim isn’t available yet, can you defer until what you want is available or would you get put to the back of the line so to speak?

Sounds like it could be a multi-line kind of a thing. To be equitable you would be placed in order of reservation in the appropriate “configuration” line. Only offset would be job-1 for your desired configuration.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

To answer the question about deferring your order until you can get the configuration you want, that is the plan. But if you want to be first on the block, you might have to compromise on that front. There are a lot of details regarding ordering that are still being worked on, so let's see how things go.

 

[R1TVT]

It is worth pointing out that any manufacturer that is launching a new vehicle (let alone two) in a brand new factory that has never built anything yet will likely start out slowly to ensure quality and with slightly more limited offerings at the start.

Just want to set expectations accordingly. There will likely be a few "launch" configurations in multiple colors and trims as we ramp things up at the factory. Let's see as we get closer to production.

Jamie

I'm guessing that this is what most of us expect (and want). There is also a big added benefit to Scout for keeping things simple (beyond the sheer efficiency gain on assembly, and that is marketing and eyeballs. When Rivian launched, there were so many "Launch Green" trucks with nice paint that it created excellent brand awareness and talking points for owners and for people seeing the trucks for the first time. I can't tell you how many 100's of conversations I had with people when I first got my truck - partially because it started to become recognizable in the wild... "Whoa, i saw one of these green trucks drive by me the other day and I was wondering what it was? Is it electric? It looks awesome!" The brain is easily imprinted upon and the strength of the brand can be increased through a set of initial colors and trucks that become instantly recognizable! Too many variants create dilution, or worse, a perception of "cheapness". Intentional sparseness with models and colors is likely going to be a very good thing for many reasons. I like the approach Scout is taking here!

 

[cyure]

Will the reservations be good until the customer chooses to take advantage of them, or will there be a time frame after which the reservation will be cancelled by Scout Motors?

For example, Ford asked way too much for my preferred build at launch and so I had to cancel my reservation. I later bought off a lot for 30% less, but couldn't get the specific color and options I had hoped for.

So, say the Launch configurations that are appealing to a customer are out of their price range. Do they have to give up their reservation and basically go to the back of the line, or can they hold that reservation until the non-Launch options are available?

That’s the same question I have.

 

[J Alynn]

It is worth pointing out that any manufacturer that is launching a new vehicle (let alone two) in a brand new factory that has never built anything yet will likely start out slowly to ensure quality and with slightly more limited offerings at the start.

Just want to set expectations accordingly. There will likely be a few "launch" configurations in multiple colors and trims as we ramp things up at the factory. Let's see as we get closer to production.

Jamie

So long as it’s modern Siam yellow I have no problem with that . But please push the brighter colors to start and save the neutrals since so many members are looking for modern takes on the retro colors

 

[cyure]

So long as it’s modern Siam yellow I have no problem with that . But please push the brighter colors to start and save the neutrals since so many members are looking for modern takes on the retro colors

YELLOW! I’m just going to continue to advocate loudly for pale yellow.