Harvester towing

[mbeadnell]

I would strongly suggest the harvester model towing more than 5k. This is going to be a deal breaker for most people and cause a lot of cancelled reservations. My opinion but I would not have announced something like this without all the details
In place to make a firm stance. This has created a lot of confusion and speculation and as a result many cancelled reservations. I would like to see the Terra at least able
To tow 7500 at minimum and the traveler at 5000k minimum. It makes no sense for both the tow the same with one able
To tow nearly 3k more on the pure ev models. This is just my suggestion. Keeping the price within the mentioned amount during announcement I hope is possible to have the towing range increased ( 7500 for Terra 5000 for traveler) that’s my suggestion and opinion.

 

[R1TVT]

Let me clarify my use of the word "drama" because there is nothing wrong with anyone wanting 15,000 LBS of towing. What is wrong is when people just state the Scout will fail because of X, Y or Z. Again, we don't even have production specs yet. Do we think the pure BEV Terra will tow similar to the Rivian R1T? YES... So, there is nothing misleading, there isn't anything nefarious - Scout is quite justified in stating that it will Haul and Tow. The Pure BEV truck will probably wind-up with 10-11K LBS of towing. With the Harvester, the Scout will also tow for a longer distance towing (before needing to stop and refuel or recharge) compared to the non-Harvester. So, Scout is quite justified in making that claim.

But remember, not everyone is here wanting to tow 15,000 LBS for 1,500 miles. There will be MANY buyer that will want to tow a trailer with sports gear, motorcyles, snowmobiles, small campers, etc... And they will be able to do EXACTLY that.

The drama I see here is based on people making assumptions and not meeting their specific requirement - let's see where Scout lands. Also, there will be buyers that switch from Harvester to pure BEV and they may do so because they tow locally, and will never need 500 miles of range for their needs. I have stated this once before, but will reiterate - the pure BEV Terra will be a VERY Capable tow vehicle.

There remains the reality of what is science, engineering and safety (as has been described above). At the end of the day, and if you are familiar with what is required when trailering heavy loads, you really don't want to be on the edge of your towing capacity in any vehicle - ever. Particularly over long distances. This is why professional haulers typically tow using a dually with a diesel. This is why those haulers are often seen towing with goosenecks on a 5th wheel. These is why we have very specific load-ratings on tow-specific tires. This is why you rarely see 1500's towing heavy loads - they're not designed for it. All of the components of the mechanical systems (power plant, drive train and suspension system) take tremendous abuse.

Scout is making an extremely capable vehicle that WILL GO OFF-ROAD, WiLL HAVE TREMENDOUS RANGE, and yes, "WILL WORK, PLAY AND TOW". Point being that if you want the VERY BEST of one of the above qualities, you will also have some trade-offs to contend with. That is just the reality. Scout has time to make adjustments and over-engineer certain aspects of the vehicle. I think many reservation holders will be extremely impressed once all of the final production specs are released (taking all of the above into consideration).

 

[Chavannigans]

Let me clarify my use of the word "drama" because there is nothing wrong with anyone wanting 15,000 LBS of towing. What is wrong is when people just state the Scout will fail because of X, Y or Z. Again, we don't even have production specs yet. Do we think the pure BEV Terra will tow similar to the Rivian R1T? YES... So, there is nothing misleading, there isn't anything nefarious - Scout is quite justified in stating that it will Haul and Tow. The Pure BEV truck will probably wind-up with 10-11K LBS of towing. With the Harvester, the Scout will also tow for a longer distance towing (before needing to stop and refuel or recharge) compared to the non-Harvester. So, Scout is quite justified in making that claim.

But remember, not everyone is here wanting to tow 15,000 LBS for 1,500 miles. There will be MANY buyer that will want to tow a trailer with sports gear, motorcyles, snowmobiles, small campers, etc... And they will be able to do EXACTLY that.

The drama I see here is based on people making assumptions and not meeting their specific requirement - let's see where Scout lands. Also, there will be buyers that switch from Harvester to pure BEV and they may do so because they tow locally, and will never need 500 miles of range for their needs. I have stated this once before, but will reiterate - the pure BEV Terra will be a VERY Capable tow vehicle.

There remains the reality of what is science, engineering and safety (as has been described above). At the end of the day, and if you are familiar with what is required when trailering heavy loads, you really don't want to be on the edge of your towing capacity in any vehicle - ever. Particularly over long distances. This is why professional haulers typically tow using a dually with a diesel. This is why those haulers are often seen towing with goosenecks on a 5th wheel. These is why we have very specific load-ratings on tow-specific tires. This is why you rarely see 1500's towing heavy loads - they're not designed for it. All of the components of the mechanical systems (power plant, drive train and suspension system) take tremendous abuse.

Scout is making an extremely capable vehicle that WILL GO OFF-ROAD, WiLL HAVE TREMENDOUS RANGE, and yes, "WILL WORK, PLAY AND TOW". Point being that if you want the VERY BEST of one of the above qualities, you will also have some trade-offs to contend with. That is just the reality. Scout has time to make adjustments and over-engineer certain aspects of the vehicle. I think many reservation holders will be extremely impressed once all of the final production specs are released (taking all of the above into consideration).

Are the people wanting to tow 15,000lbs with the Harvester in the room with us right now?

 

[R1TVT]

Are the people wanting to tow 15,000lbs with the Harvester in the room with us right now?

It really doesn't matter. And that was hyperbole anyway. Lets wait and see what comes with production.

 

[Chavannigans]

It really doesn't matter. And that was hyperbole anyway. Lets wait and see what comes with production.

Thats the problem, because this subject does matter to a lot of people.

In fact if you look at Harvester reservations youll see it affects a majority of Scout reservations.

Many of which would be purchasing this as their first EV because the Harvester offers the best of both worlds for non-EV people.

The folks defending this use the bad faith narrative that people are wanting to tow 3/4 ton loads in a half ton truck, when many Harvester reservation holders would be ecstatic over an 8,500lb towing capacity since that opens the door to hauling many mid sized travel trailers.

All this hyperbole non-sense is alienating folks in the largest group of potential Scout buyers.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

I just don’t want anyone feeling they don’t have a place on this forum. This is for all of us to make our wishes known. I’m certain SM wants to be competitive in this space. That goes for every aspect of the Scouts, range, capabilities, features. All of it.

I am just continuing to put my faith in them. From reveal to the latest off-road options they showed last week they have knocked it out of the park every time.

I will say what I frequently say on here. I hope everyone gets what they want and options and trim packages that will work for them. Unfortunately, we just have to have patience at this point and that can be hard to do.

Sorry, I've been traveling and just getting caught up. I completely agree with this and don't want anyone to feel unwelcome. We have some passionate people around here, but in the end, it is just banter and discussion to pass the time till final specs come out.

We announced our intended tow capacity at reveal back in October (7,500 on Traveler and 10,000 on Terra). Since then, the Jay Leno video came out, and there was some talk about the Harvester EREV model potentially having a lower towing capacity. We are still very much working through maximizing our tow capacity across all models and trim levels. Our team aims to maximize our capacities on all fronts, without compromising safety. Let's see how the final numbers shake out. There are a LOT of factors in play with the Harvester/EREV option, as it is more complex than it looks. But I understand why some people might be disappointed or concerned when we announced the max towing capacity, but later heard that it may be less on some models. Let's see how the final numbers turn out.

 

[dreamweaver]

Sorry, I've been traveling and just getting caught up. I completely agree with this and don't want anyone to feel unwelcome. We have some passionate people around here, but in the end, it is just banter and discussion to pass the time till final specs come out.

We announced our intended tow capacity at reveal back in October (7,500 on Traveler and 10,000 on Terra). Since then, the Jay Leno video came out, and there was some talk about the Harvester EREV model potentially having a lower towing capacity. We are still very much working through maximizing our tow capacity across all models and trim levels. Our team aims to maximize our capacities on all fronts, without compromising safety. Let's see how the final numbers shake out. There are a LOT of factors in play with the Harvester/EREV option, as it is more complex than it looks. But I understand why some people might be disappointed or concerned when we announced the max towing capacity, but later heard that it may be less on some models. Let's see how the final numbers turn out.

Thank you for the therapy session. Breath in breath out.

 

[R1TVT]

Thats the problem, because this subject does matter to a lot of people.

In fact if you look at Harvester reservations youll see it affects a majority of Scout reservations.

Many of which would be purchasing this as their first EV because the Harvester offers the best of both worlds for non-EV people.

The folks defending this use the bad faith narrative that people are wanting to tow 3/4 ton loads in a half ton truck, when many Harvester reservation holders would be ecstatic over an 8,500lb towing capacity since that opens the door to hauling many mid sized travel trailers.

All this hyperbole non-sense is alienating folks in the largest group of potential Scout buyers.

Sorry you are misinterpreting what I am saying - I'm basically saying what Jaimie just stated above.

- Everyone has a trailer that weighs a different amount
- Whatever the final tow rating is for the Scout (Harvester or pure BEV) will be the final number
- There are tradeoffs to consider for those wanting more than just towing
- If someone's pendulum for tow capacity swings beyond the stated tow ratings, then yes, they may need to find a better fit for their needs
- I stated in my earlier post that I have no problem with anyone requesting anything - even if its 15,000 lbs (hyperbole), but they need to understand that where Scout lands may or may not align precisely with their exact trailer weights. That's all.

 

[edgechaser]

I would strongly suggest the harvester model towing more than 5k. This is going to be a deal breaker for most people and cause a lot of cancelled reservations. My opinion but I would not have announced something like this without all the details
In place to make a firm stance. This has created a lot of confusion and speculation and as a result many cancelled reservations. I would like to see the Terra at least able
To tow 7500 at minimum and the traveler at 5000k minimum. It makes no sense for both the tow the same with one able
To tow nearly 3k more on the pure ev models. This is just my suggestion. Keeping the price within the mentioned amount during announcement I hope is possible to have the towing range increased ( 7500 for Terra 5000 for traveler) that’s my suggestion and opinion.

I agree with member. Once I found out towing dropped to 5k with harvester. I changed my reservation to the all electric with advertised 11k towing. I am not sure how many people know this detail. Also, really another post. if I pick the harvester on a long road or off trip arent I just putting in gas all time to power the batteries? Especially since the harverster options drop the ev range to 150k. I am not really complaining as this truck would be even heavier with a gas and electric motor and a huge battery. If battery tech ever gets lighter with long range we all win.

 

[dreamweaver]

I agree with member. Once I found out towing dropped to 5k with harvester. I changed my reservation to the all electric with advertised 11k towing. I am not sure how many people know this detail. Also, really another post. if I pick the harvester on a long road or off trip arent I just putting in gas all time to power the batteries? Especially since the harverster options drop the ev range to 150k. I am not really complaining as this truck would be even heavier with a gas and electric motor and a huge battery. If battery tech ever gets lighter with long range we all win.

Scout. “People. Connections. Community. Authenticity." Welcome to the Scout community. Enjoy the ride.

 

[cyure]

I agree with member. Once I found out towing dropped to 5k with harvester. I changed my reservation to the all electric with advertised 11k towing. I am not sure how many people know this detail. Also, really another post. if I pick the harvester on a long road or off trip arent I just putting in gas all time to power the batteries? Especially since the harverster options drop the ev range to 150k. I am not really complaining as this truck would be even heavier with a gas and electric motor and a huge battery. If battery tech ever gets lighter with long range we all win.

Welcome to the community.

 

[Muttonchops]

I've not changed my reservation but am having doubts if the first couple of years of production on SCOUT Terra will end up in my drive way. First is the 5K towing . . . I really need 7K'ish to handle a heavy boat. Then there is overall size, Terra won't be as off-road trail friendly even with a fancy 4x4 system - - - just too wide. So good chance my 2026/27/28 will be a another mid-Size ICE truck.

 

[Time2Roll]

I would more concerned with towing up a long hill with a near depleted battery. Such as westbound I70 out of Denver and several others.
Chevy Volt was known for having power limited in difficult conditions and that is not towing anything.

 

[cyure]

I agree with member. Once I found out towing dropped to 5k with harvester. I changed my reservation to the all electric with advertised 11k towing. I am not sure how many people know this detail. Also, really another post. if I pick the harvester on a long road or off trip arent I just putting in gas all time to power the batteries? Especially since the harverster options drop the ev range to 150k. I am not really complaining as this truck would be even heavier with a gas and electric motor and a huge battery. If battery tech ever gets lighter with long range we all win.

Just an FYI, for anyone who has a reservation. It’s not necessary to change your reservation at this point. When it’s your turn to order you can order either one in either variant, BEV or EREV. I still am going bath and forth between the Harvester or not and am just leaving my reservation as is. We don’t get locked in until we place our order.

 

[R1TVT]

I would more concerned with towing up a long hill with a near depleted battery. Such as westbound I70 out of Denver and several others.
Chevy Volt was known for having power limited in difficult conditions and that is not towing anything.

Scout ain't your grandmammies Chevy Volt... What a strange comparison.

Also, you don't go charging up long hills with depleted batteries, same way you don't go charging up long hills with no gas in your ICE tank.

 

[LastDayScout]

I have great news everyone. Scout has heard your impassioned pleas for a vehicle the likes that no one have ever seen or created. All current plans are on hold so the can focus on developing what the people want. I am proud to present some preliminary specs.
International Scout Traveler – Quick Specs Overview

• Engine Options:
  • Cummins X15 Performance Series: 500–605 hp, up to 2,050 lb-ft torque (perfect and exactly what we need)
• Transmission:
  • Eaton UltraShift PLUS automated manual, 12 or 18 speeds (yay a manual!!!!!!!!)
• GVWR:
  • Up to 80,000 lbs (I think that is what my toy hauler weighs. I tow it everyday!)
• Fuel Capacity:
  • Up to 300 gallons (dual tanks) (with today average USA diesel price of $3.57 that is only $1071! )
  • Bonus...it only take about 15 minutes to fill up. (That is not enough time to pee and buy more Mountain Dew and scratch cards.)
• Projected Driving Range:
  • Approximately 1,500 miles on a full tank (Scout, you listened to what we need! Although when towing that range drops to about 800 miles. So, Scout you still have some work to do.)
• Fuel Economy:
  • Around 7–9 mpg depending on configuration and driving conditions (Take that EVs!)
• Aerodynamics Package:
  • 
  • Keeps the air in front of you clean and clear.
• Cab Features:
  • Spacious sleeper options (up to 72" flat roof) (Yay Scout! Built in camper too!)
  • Advanced driver assistance systems (lane departure, adaptive cruise) (This is a total waste of money, but whatever it will keep the mall crawler crowd happy)
• Chassis:
  • Lightweight aluminum components for better fuel economy (lame but steel is really expensive these days)
  • Multiple axle configurations for versatility (super easy to park in your driveway, the campsite, and really anywhere)

Ideal for long-haul applications focusing on what Scout drivers do all day, every day!
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the updated Scout Traveler.

Take note that the third exhaust pipe is for the Harvester. It runs the onboard generator so you don't have to run the big Cummins. The Harvester specs are not final but it is also diesel. Based on the size of the exhaust, I estimate the Harvester at around 300hp. That should be ok to run my AC and coffee pot for the month long camping trips I take that are 2800 miles away from my home. I do love that they kept the same basic color of the old Terra concept. I also wonder if the roof fairing is optional. I still want the cabana top. Anyway, we got what we all want and need!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I have great news everyone. Scout has heard your impassioned pleas for a vehicle the likes that no one have ever seen or created. All current plans are on hold so the can focus on developing what the people want. I am proud to present some preliminary specs.
International Scout Traveler – Quick Specs Overview

• Engine Options:
  • Cummins X15 Performance Series: 500–605 hp, up to 2,050 lb-ft torque (perfect and exactly what we need)
• Transmission:
  • Eaton UltraShift PLUS automated manual, 12 or 18 speeds (yay a manual!!!!!!!!)
• GVWR:
  • Up to 80,000 lbs (I think that is what my toy hauler weighs. I tow it everyday!)
• Fuel Capacity:
  • Up to 300 gallons (dual tanks) (with today average USA diesel price of $3.57 that is only $1071! )
  • Bonus...it only take about 15 minutes to fill up. (That is not enough time to pee and buy more Mountain Dew and scratch cards.)
• Projected Driving Range:
  • Approximately 1,500 miles on a full tank (Scout, you listened to what we need! Although when towing that range drops to about 800 miles. So, Scout you still have some work to do.)
• Fuel Economy:
  • Around 7–9 mpg depending on configuration and driving conditions (Take that EVs!)
• Aerodynamics Package:
  • View attachment 6928
  • Keeps the air in front of you clean and clear.
• Cab Features:
  • Spacious sleeper options (up to 72" flat roof) (Yay Scout! Built in camper too!)
  • Advanced driver assistance systems (lane departure, adaptive cruise) (This is a total waste of money, but whatever it will keep the mall crawler crowd happy)
• Chassis:
  • Lightweight aluminum components for better fuel economy (lame but steel is really expensive these days)
  • Multiple axle configurations for versatility (super easy to park in your driveway, the campsite, and really anywhere)

Ideal for long-haul applications focusing on what Scout drivers do all day, every day!
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the updated Scout Traveler.
View attachment 6929

Take note that the third exhaust pipe is for the Harvester. It runs the onboard generator so you don't have to run the big Cummins. The Harvester specs are not final but it is also diesel. Based on the size of the exhaust, I estimate the Harvester at around 300hp. That should be ok to run my AC and coffee pot for the month long camping trips I take that are 2800 miles away from my home. I do love that they kept the same basic color of the old Terra concept. I also wonder if the roof fairing is optional. I still want the cabana top. Anyway, we got what we all want and need!

Sure, fine, but does it also have manual windows, manually locking hubs, and rusting floorboards?

 

[R1TVT]

Pretty sure that the roof faring is concealing the upper deck of the in-law suite. Let's make that optional.

 

[LastDayScout]

Sure, fine, but does it also have manual windows, manually locking hubs, and rusting floorboards?

I mean, if that is what you want, that is what Scout will give you!

 

[LastDayScout]

Pretty sure that the roof faring is concealing the upper deck of the in-law suite. Let's make that optional.

Oooohhhh, you may be right!

 

[J Alynn]

Will there be a lower aero skirting package I can buy to eeck out another 30 miles? I need just a little more range