Is the EREV going to be a flop?

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I'm so sorry to hear that, but also, I love that you feel brave/comfortable enough to step in and say this.
Thanks! I did a lot of work to get to this point. đź’«

I can't say anything that would wouldn't sound like pandering, other than saying, that I'm also not a huge fan of marketing that is super on the edge there. Especially not from an automaker who has spent this much time discussing/pushing "community".

I get that creative marketing is often good, but the above way, isn't something I'd really want to show to my friends/family as a "look, here is this brand that is coming back, that I'm excited to buy" sort of thing.

Sort of like the ACDC song "Big Balls". Its something I'd expect from from an edgy band full of mid-20's rock and roll singers. But I wouldn't expect an automotive brand to co-opt as their official marketing strategy.

I am pretty sure they would not run with this, but oof.

The new local women’s major league soccer team made a balls pun in their advertising to announce that they were starting a womens’ league team in town (namely, that they were in possession of more balls than the Bruins/Celtics/Patriots/Red Sox because hahahaha soccerwomen! hahahah get it? hahahahahahahahah) and people flipped out about the misogyny and/or misandry, etc. etc. etc. An apology was issued, the ad campaign ceased, the brand was tainted and shelved (all for the best because frankly, it stunk). The team name was lame and uninspired for Boston. They rebranded and nobody remembers the balls incident. These kinds of campaigns need to go to where the racial/ethnic jokes live in the toxic waste dump.
 
Definitely funny.
And a bit edgy which is where I think Scout should head. It is the 8 day a week vehicle. So maybe I refine the earlier add and it’s a couple at night loading mannequins in the back while an old neighbor spies from the window next door. In the morning the police show up and follow them to…their church to set up a nativity scene. Noir and wholesome mixed together. Just like the work to play personality of a Scout.
Another night scene. A man is running for his life in the dark and rounds the corner and screams. Right behind him another figure is closing in. As it pans out they are in a lawn next to a foggy cornfield and on the edge is a Terra with perimeter lighting and the first guy kicks the can and other people running n out from the cornfield cheering since their team just won playing kick the can. They head to the Terra and grab beers from the cooler. Just a few ideas
 
So, the more I read about how the Harvester is actually playing out, the more I wish I would have reserved the BEV.

Less electric range, smaller battery, worse towing capacity, the complexities of the 4 cylinder engine. It all seems like we are getting an inferior version of what the Scout could be.

When I first heard about the Harvester concept and made my early deposit, I was imaging something more like a generator. I could drive into the mountains a few hundred miles, set up camp, turn on the generator and charge the truck for another full battery of 300-500 miles. But its just not what are we getting.

Thoughts, disappointments, disccusions?
My vote - The Harvester will kick ass.

But maybe that’s just me.

Oh wait, reservation numbers say different.

I”m part of the cool club!

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And a bit edgy which is where I think Scout should head. It is the 8 day a week vehicle. So maybe I refine the earlier add and it’s a couple at night loading mannequins in the back while an old neighbor spies from the window next door. In the morning the police show up and follow them to…their church to set up a nativity scene. Noir and wholesome mixed together. Just like the work to play personality of a Scout.
Another night scene. A man is running for his life in the dark and rounds the corner and screams. Right behind him another figure is closing in. As it pans out they are in a lawn next to a foggy cornfield and on the edge is a Terra with perimeter lighting and the first guy kicks the can and other people running n out from the cornfield cheering since their team just won playing kick the can. They head to the Terra and grab beers from the cooler. Just a few ideas
🤔 I am down with Benson and Stabler using a Scout to have a Special Vacation Unit. They go to the woods and it’s all oh what do we got here? Looks like an unextinguished campfire, lit last night, still smouldering, blah blah blah forensic detail, here come some bon mots about foliage, and here comes a pun about kindling. Benson asks Stabler if they’ll ever just get a chance to rest easy for a change and some crack is made by Stabler as pertains to nerds on the internet mad that they don’t kiss. It is assumed that you, the viewer, are chuckling. Tent asplodes from Scout. “Don’t worry, there’s plenty of room for two” because AW YEAH YOU KNOW THEY GONNA DO IT NERDS WHO LIKE THIS TV SHOW. Replace Benson and Stabler with your beloved TV pairing that you want to see do kisses.

Scout: Let’s see them do chaste kisses in the woods.
 
And a bit edgy which is where I think Scout should head. It is the 8 day a week vehicle. So maybe I refine the earlier add and it’s a couple at night loading mannequins in the back while an old neighbor spies from the window next door. In the morning the police show up and follow them to…their church to set up a nativity scene. Noir and wholesome mixed together. Just like the work to play personality of a Scout.
Another night scene. A man is running for his life in the dark and rounds the corner and screams. Right behind him another figure is closing in. As it pans out they are in a lawn next to a foggy cornfield and on the edge is a Terra with perimeter lighting and the first guy kicks the can and other people running n out from the cornfield cheering since their team just won playing kick the can. They head to the Terra and grab beers from the cooler. Just a few ideas
Tucker and Dale drive a Scout . . .
 
And a bit edgy which is where I think Scout should head. It is the 8 day a week vehicle. So maybe I refine the earlier add and it’s a couple at night loading mannequins in the back while an old neighbor spies from the window next door. In the morning the police show up and follow them to…their church to set up a nativity scene. Noir and wholesome mixed together. Just like the work to play personality of a Scout.
Another night scene. A man is running for his life in the dark and rounds the corner and screams. Right behind him another figure is closing in. As it pans out they are in a lawn next to a foggy cornfield and on the edge is a Terra with perimeter lighting and the first guy kicks the can and other people running n out from the cornfield cheering since their team just won playing kick the can. They head to the Terra and grab beers from the cooler. Just a few ideas
Those are great!
 
As for me, the EREV for the Terra needs to tow 10k lbs like other gas trucks to compete as advertised in a work truck or overlanding truck. going up grades on a mountain or towing anything will kill battery life really quick so the extra juice to get you to where you want to go is what a lot of people opt for the EREV. As a daily drive around town, yeah, the BEV is fine, but to go offroad or places that Scout Motors intends it to go or work as Scout Motors intends it to work then it needs more than 5k lbs or towing capacity. There is still a lot of time for them to work this out and maybe they will, but if they don't then, maybe I will switch to Traveler BEV for in town only and use my 73 Scout II for overlanding.
 
As for me, the EREV for the Terra needs to tow 10k lbs like other gas trucks to compete as advertised in a work truck or overlanding truck. going up grades on a mountain or towing anything will kill battery life really quick so the extra juice to get you to where you want to go is what a lot of people opt for the EREV. As a daily drive around town, yeah, the BEV is fine, but to go offroad or places that Scout Motors intends it to go or work as Scout Motors intends it to work then it needs more than 5k lbs or towing capacity. There is still a lot of time for them to work this out and maybe they will, but if they don't then, maybe I will switch to Traveler BEV for in town only and use my 73 Scout II for overlanding.

In a recent interview (The Drive, March 6th) Scott Keogh said that "we’ve got some solutions on that front" when asked about the tow rating being cut in half for the EREV. So, it seems like the 5K limitation of the EREV is no longer true.
 
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As for me, the EREV for the Terra needs to tow 10k lbs like other gas trucks to compete as advertised in a work truck or overlanding truck. going up grades on a mountain or towing anything will kill battery life really quick so the extra juice to get you to where you want to go is what a lot of people opt for the EREV. As a daily drive around town, yeah, the BEV is fine, but to go offroad or places that Scout Motors intends it to go or work as Scout Motors intends it to work then it needs more than 5k lbs or towing capacity. There is still a lot of time for them to work this out and maybe they will, but if they don't then, maybe I will switch to Traveler BEV for in town only and use my 73 Scout II for overlanding.

This to a T! The point of the EREV is so that an electric drivetrain truck can do truck stuff without the penalties of being a full BEV. If Scout has to derate the towing capacity of the EREV then they will have missed the mark and the EREV will be a flop.
 
This to a T! The point of the EREV is so that an electric drivetrain truck can do truck stuff without the penalties of being a full BEV. If Scout has to derate the towing capacity of the EREV then they will have missed the mark and the EREV will be a flop.
I see the argument.. People want a workhorse without sacrifice.. and if it's a true full size vehicle.. that shouldn't be a problem.
 
This to a T! The point of the EREV is so that an electric drivetrain truck can do truck stuff without the penalties of being a full BEV. If Scout has to derate the towing capacity of the EREV then they will have missed the mark and the EREV will be a flop.

Its kind of hard for them to defy physics. Keep in mind towing a trailer to places that Scout intends for thier rigs to go requires an articulating traier hitch. This means no wdh. That means like all 1/2 ton trucks (ev or ice) Scout will likely only have have a 500- 600 lb tongue weight capacity and 5,000-7,500 gwr. So even the Terra EV could not handle 10,000 offroad. Its simple if you want to pull a 10,000 pound trailer off road then you need a 3/4 ton truck.
 
I asked Grok how the harvester model can match performance of the EV.

For the Harvester (range-extended) Scout Terra to match the full BEV version's performance—especially the projected 10,000+ lbs towing, similar acceleration (likely around 3.5-4.5 seconds 0-60 unloaded), and sustained power under heavy load—it would need to overcome the core limitations from its smaller battery and generator setup compared to the BEV's larger, higher-power-density battery pack.

No single magic fix exists without some trade-offs, but here's exactly what it would take in practical engineering terms:

1. Significantly boost peak and sustained power delivery from the entire system
The BEV pulls massive instant power (hundreds of kW) straight from its big battery for towing demands like hills, passing, or acceleration with a trailer. The Harvester's smaller LFP battery has lower power density and can't deliver the same high-discharge bursts without issues like overheating or voltage drop.
What it takes: A much more powerful generator (for example, an upsized engine putting out 250-300+ hp continuous with strong torque mapping) that can feed high power directly or recharge the battery buffer quickly enough during heavy towing. Scout's current non-turbo 4-cylinder (likely around 1.5L tuned for roughly 230 hp steady) falls short for BEV-level peaks, so they'd need something closer to a tuned 2.0L or larger, or advanced hybrid buffering that blends generator and battery seamlessly for short bursts.

2. Adopt or hybridize battery chemistry for higher power output
LFP is great for cost, longevity, safety, and being able to fully charge regularly, but it sacrifices peak power capability.
What it takes: Switch to (or mix in) higher-power NMC cells, or use next-gen LFP variants with better power density. This could raise cost or weight, or reduce some of the durability advantages Scout is aiming for with the Harvester.

3. Implement aggressive software modes and thermal management
Scout already talks about a "Heavy Duty Mode" for towing and severe use that leans more on the engine.
What it takes: Advanced battery management to allow higher sustained discharge rates, superior cooling systems (liquid cooling for both battery and generator), and smart power blending so the generator handles the baseline load while the battery covers peaks. This approach could get very close without major hardware changes, though it might slightly hurt efficiency or range during towing.

4. Minimize the weight and complexity penalties
The Harvester adds the generator (roughly 200-300 lbs), fuel tank (about 15 gallons = 100-120 lbs full), and related plumbing, which eats into payload and affects tongue weight/stability for towing.
What it takes: Optimize component placement (Scout already moved the generator forward of the rear axle for better weight distribution), use lightweight materials, or accept small reductions in payload or towing margins elsewhere. Scout has said they can handle the dynamics quite well, so this part looks manageable.

Scout's CEO Scott Keogh said in early March 2026 that they have a "tool kit" and "some solutions" to avoid the initial roughly 50% derate (down to about 5,000 lbs) without announcing specifics yet. Their official site still lists over 10,000 lbs towing for the Terra (no split between BEV and Harvester), which suggests they're targeting parity or something very close. Recent coverage from outlets like The Drive and MotorTrend notes Scout is actively working on this, likely through a combination of software tweaks, generator optimizations, and mode enhancements.

Bottom line: It's achievable with smart engineering—no fundamental physics law prevents it—but it would involve compromises such as a beefier (and potentially more expensive) generator, minor efficiency or range hits during towing, or added cost/weight. If Scout succeeds (as their statements imply), the Harvester could deliver BEV-level towing and performance while keeping the big advantage of 500+ miles total range. Until final SAE-rated specs arrive (closer to 2027 production), it's educated optimism versus the earlier halving concern. For zero-compromise maximum performance right now, the pure BEV remains the clearest choice.

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Its kind of hard for them to defy physics. Keep in mind towing a trailer to places that Scout intends for thier rigs to go requires an articulating traier hitch. This means no wdh. That means like all 1/2 ton trucks (ev or ice) Scout will likely only have have a 500- 600 lb tongue weight capacity and 5,000-7,500 gwr. So even the Terra EV could not handle 10,000 offroad. Its simple if you want to pull a 10,000 pound trailer off road then you need a 3/4 ton truck.
This. I’m trying to think of an off-road (not just off-highway) worthy trailer sold in the US that requires a 10,000 pound towing capacity.

Even something as extreme as this—imported from Australia, where they know extreme overlanding/offroading trailers—is just over 8800 pounds with an adjustable tongue weight (via touchscreen control of the adjustable tandem suspension).

 
I asked Grok how the harvester model can match performance of the EV.

For the Harvester (range-extended) Scout Terra to match the full BEV version's performance—especially the projected 10,000+ lbs towing, similar acceleration (likely around 3.5-4.5 seconds 0-60 unloaded), and sustained power under heavy load—it would need to overcome the core limitations from its smaller battery and generator setup compared to the BEV's larger, higher-power-density battery pack.

No single magic fix exists without some trade-offs, but here's exactly what it would take in practical engineering terms:

1. Significantly boost peak and sustained power delivery from the entire system
The BEV pulls massive instant power (hundreds of kW) straight from its big battery for towing demands like hills, passing, or acceleration with a trailer. The Harvester's smaller LFP battery has lower power density and can't deliver the same high-discharge bursts without issues like overheating or voltage drop.
What it takes: A much more powerful generator (for example, an upsized engine putting out 250-300+ hp continuous with strong torque mapping) that can feed high power directly or recharge the battery buffer quickly enough during heavy towing. Scout's current non-turbo 4-cylinder (likely around 1.5L tuned for roughly 230 hp steady) falls short for BEV-level peaks, so they'd need something closer to a tuned 2.0L or larger, or advanced hybrid buffering that blends generator and battery seamlessly for short bursts.

2. Adopt or hybridize battery chemistry for higher power output
LFP is great for cost, longevity, safety, and being able to fully charge regularly, but it sacrifices peak power capability.
What it takes: Switch to (or mix in) higher-power NMC cells, or use next-gen LFP variants with better power density. This could raise cost or weight, or reduce some of the durability advantages Scout is aiming for with the Harvester.

3. Implement aggressive software modes and thermal management
Scout already talks about a "Heavy Duty Mode" for towing and severe use that leans more on the engine.
What it takes: Advanced battery management to allow higher sustained discharge rates, superior cooling systems (liquid cooling for both battery and generator), and smart power blending so the generator handles the baseline load while the battery covers peaks. This approach could get very close without major hardware changes, though it might slightly hurt efficiency or range during towing.

4. Minimize the weight and complexity penalties
The Harvester adds the generator (roughly 200-300 lbs), fuel tank (about 15 gallons = 100-120 lbs full), and related plumbing, which eats into payload and affects tongue weight/stability for towing.
What it takes: Optimize component placement (Scout already moved the generator forward of the rear axle for better weight distribution), use lightweight materials, or accept small reductions in payload or towing margins elsewhere. Scout has said they can handle the dynamics quite well, so this part looks manageable.

Scout's CEO Scott Keogh said in early March 2026 that they have a "tool kit" and "some solutions" to avoid the initial roughly 50% derate (down to about 5,000 lbs) without announcing specifics yet. Their official site still lists over 10,000 lbs towing for the Terra (no split between BEV and Harvester), which suggests they're targeting parity or something very close. Recent coverage from outlets like The Drive and MotorTrend notes Scout is actively working on this, likely through a combination of software tweaks, generator optimizations, and mode enhancements.

Bottom line: It's achievable with smart engineering—no fundamental physics law prevents it—but it would involve compromises such as a beefier (and potentially more expensive) generator, minor efficiency or range hits during towing, or added cost/weight. If Scout succeeds (as their statements imply), the Harvester could deliver BEV-level towing and performance while keeping the big advantage of 500+ miles total range. Until final SAE-rated specs arrive (closer to 2027 production), it's educated optimism versus the earlier halving concern. For zero-compromise maximum performance right now, the pure BEV remains the clearest choice.

This all sounds expensive. I have heard others project the Harvester models should not cost anymore then bev models. Does not seem possible to do all of these upgrades and not be more expensive. Again this 10,000 pound towing number that everyone mentions is for highway towing with a WDH. This is 3/4 ton truck kind of numbers.