What one thing would you like to see changed from concept to production?

[J Alynn]

Honestly now that they’re getting changed, I feel lucky to be able to say I saw the original Scout concepts in person. I even got to touch them!

I never thought about that. I saw the OG but never the version with the Rallye stripes so I have to hope they keep them and they look as good in person as I believe

 

[cyure]

I think a lot of us care. It’s still means to show alternate colors, optional add-ons, different interiors and our feedback along with general social media gives them a better sense of what appeals to future buyers

I care a lot. They were hand built with carbon fiber body panels and 3D parts. They are too special and expensive just to be tossed aside after one iteration. Keep changing them as much as many times as they can to get the use out of them.

 

[rfk]

Not to get in a big discussion, but not high-cost production changes. Changes to these show vehicles are expensive. One off vehicles with one off parts. Costly.

Who cares about the concepts? Are you reading through these forums?

OK fine I’ve rephrased my prior statement to accommodate the sensitive - but what sparked it is still unclear, at least to me -

Are concepts being revised for changes that won’t reach production? Making their representational % lower? I’d like to see more real-world clues, not reduce concepts’ real-worldness at this point.

 

[J Alynn]

OK fine I’ve rephrased my prior statement to accommodate the sensitive - but what sparked it is still unclear, at least to me -

Are concepts being revised for changes that won’t reach production? Making their representational % lower? I’d like to see more real-world clues, not reduce concepts’ real-worldness at this point.

They are painting them. Probably in colors they think will sell or colors they’ve seen a bunch of us repeatedly talking about. That sounds logical as a path to legit production. Likely revised interior color/material schemes-maybe gray, maybe red, scout slate blue or maybe olive green or beige-maybe as cloth or MGV or leather. Again-seems like movement toward final production. Then there may be OEM parts-at build or aftermarket-maybe an integrated winch, maybe traveler is finished without the spare carrier and full rear painted. Bull bars, new rim designs/colors, etc, etc….. these all seem useful to me but maybe you are seeing something different that I am missing ?

 

[nolen]

I think his unfortunately phrased concern was about this part

The revamp of the models are unfortunately not reflective of the production models. There are certain changes in the production models that would be too costly to show in these models.

It makes it sound like there have been expensive (large?) changes made to the production plans that are not going to be shown through the models on tour. It could also be taken to sound like the changes that are being made aren't going to end up in the production version. His fear seems to be that they are becoming less representative of what will actually be available and that they could continue to diverge from the eventual real version. His "who cares about the concepts" was actually asking if they are still relevant and for how long.

 

[cyure]

I think his unfortunately phrased concern was about this part

The revamp of the models are unfortunately not reflective of the production models. There are certain changes in the production models that would be too costly to show in these models.

It makes it sound like there have been expensive (large?) changes made to the production plans that are not going to be shown through the models on tour. It could also be taken to sound like the changes that are being made aren't going to end up in the production version. His fear seems to be that they are becoming less representative of what will actually be available and that they could continue to diverge from the eventual real version. His "who cares about the concepts" was actually asking if they are still relevant and for how long.

It’s all interpretation and that’s where things can go awry.

I didn’t take it as large changes. They have said on multiple occasions they are 85% of what the production model is going to be.

I took it as the concepts are hand built one of a kind and it’s very expensive to put everything from the production vehicle on them. I remember Scott telling Jay Leno in that video that these were probably the most expensive vehicles Jay has ever driven. So even 15% changes would be very expensive to make happen.

But that’s my interpretation.

 

[nolen]

It’s all interpretation and that’s where things can go awry.

I didn’t take it as large changes. They have said on multiple occasions they are 85% of what the production model is going to be.

I took it as the concepts are hand built one of a kind and it’s very expensive to put everything from the production vehicle on them. I remember Scott telling Jay Leno in that video that these were probably the most expensive vehicles Jay has ever driven. So even 15% changes would be very expensive to make happen.

But that’s my interpretation.

I wasn't expecting them to repeatedly modify the concept vehicles to match production either. I was just trying to restate what I thought he was saying in a less confrontational manner.

Seems like there was concern over whether the changes to the production models are in the 15% that already wasn't accurate or if they have now made it more like 25% not accurate. Also seems to be some concern over whether the changes that are being made to the concept vehicles are ones that would be included in production which seems like a simple answer. It is so expensive to change the concepts - why would they spend money to show imaginary changes?

I think we just have to accept that the prototypes are not going to become more accurate over time. Things will change and the % accuracy is an estimate anyway - is it by number of features? Number of parts? Or maybe by weight

 

[J Alynn]

I wasn't expecting them to repeatedly modify the concept vehicles to match production either. I was just trying to restate what I thought he was saying in a less confrontational manner.

Seems like there was concern over whether the changes to the production models are in the 15% that already wasn't accurate or if they have now made it more like 25% not accurate. Also seems to be some concern over whether the changes that are being made to the concept vehicles are ones that would be included in production which seems like a simple answer. It is so expensive to change the concepts - why would they spend money to show imaginary changes?

I think we just have to accept that the prototypes are not going to become more accurate over time. Things will change and the % accuracy is an estimate anyway - is it by number of features? Number of parts? Or maybe by weight

My apologies if I came off confrontational-was not my intent as I ended saying I might be seeing something different than rfk and reading your thoughts I see it could have been interpreted in a different manner. I guess some of us read Jamie’s comments one way and others saw it differently. I guess knowing Jamie’s been here since day one and is our SM ‘liaison’ I read what he posts from a positive perspective unless he says things are in a negative state. But thank you @nolen for offering the other viewpoint (be it right or wrong from RFK’s POV) which I just didn’t see/read from Jamie’s post.

 

[nolen]

My apologies if I came off confrontational-was not my intent as I ended saying I might be seeing something different than rfk and reading your thoughts I see it could have been interpreted in a different manner. I guess some of us read Jamie’s comments one way and others saw it differently. I guess knowing Jamie’s been here since day one and is our SM ‘liaison’ I read what he posts from a positive perspective unless he says things are in a negative state. But thank you @nolen for offering the other viewpoint (be it right or wrong from RFK’s POV) which I just didn’t see/read from Jamie’s post.

oh! I definitely didn't mean you were confrontational- it was the original statement by rfk and his change to "accommodate the sensitive" folks that were confrontational. I was just trying to bring up what he was saying without all the emotions he put in it so that it could be addressed.

I understand the disappointment that the concepts won't get more and more accurate as we get closer to production but it makes sense when you think about how much it would cost to do that. But I also don't think they will be adding things to the concepts that won't be in production one way or another.

 

[J Alynn]

oh! I definitely didn't mean you were confrontational- it was the original statement by rfk and his change to "accommodate the sensitive" folks that were confrontational. I was just trying to bring up what he was saying without all the emotions he put in it so that it could be addressed.

I understand the disappointment that the concepts won't get more and more accurate as we get closer to production but it makes sense when you think about how much it would cost to do that. But I also don't think they will be adding things to the concepts that won't be in production one way or another.

Agreed.

 

[cyure]

oh! I definitely didn't mean you were confrontational- it was the original statement by rfk and his change to "accommodate the sensitive" folks that were confrontational. I was just trying to bring up what he was saying without all the emotions he put in it so that it could be addressed.

I understand the disappointment that the concepts won't get more and more accurate as we get closer to production but it makes sense when you think about how much it would cost to do that. But I also don't think they will be adding things to the concepts that won't be in production one way or another.

I could be completely wrong here. I see changes that make a big impact but don’t require a wholesale redesign. I think of it like Wrangler/Bronco mods plus new paint. So maybe we see new wheels and tires or a winch/bumper or something and then new paint. But the concept roofs stay the same and body panels. Oh and it would be nice if we could get a new interior color but that might be a lot to ask, but what do I know.

About 2 more weeks or so and we get to see the Terra. Not that I’m counting down the days or anything.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

@CP1@scoutmotors statement was very clear and @cyure has it right.

Hand-builds are incredibly expensive. You don't update them every time there's a minor change to the production plan unless you have to. If you don't need to see the change in physical form, you don't update the physical concept.

What we can take away from that is there may be body panel size, shape, etc changes. They won't be fundamental design cue changes. But they could mean, for example, a change in the size, location, etc of a light, or reflector, or charge ports, etc. Or the wheel wells might have been squared a bit---or rounded a bit. They may have changed the hood a bit. Who knows. It'll be different, noticable, and probably cool, but not fundamental. They didn't shrink the width by 10 inches.

Showing that they moved a side reflector a few mm would require an entirely new panel, which is too expensive to rebuild and not worth the change.

 

[rfk]

I wasn't expecting them to repeatedly modify the concept vehicles to match production either. I was just trying to restate what I thought he was saying in a less confrontational manner.

Seems like there was concern over whether the changes to the production models are in the 15% that already wasn't accurate or if they have now made it more like 25% not accurate. Also seems to be some concern over whether the changes that are being made to the concept vehicles are ones that would be included in production which seems like a simple answer. It is so expensive to change the concepts - why would they spend money to show imaginary changes?

I think we just have to accept that the prototypes are not going to become more accurate over time. Things will change and the % accuracy is an estimate anyway - is it by number of features? Number of parts? Or maybe by weight

Yeah that's it - that 85% accuracy going higher or lower? All this reminds me of that game Toyota plays at car shows -

 

[John Mc]

One thing I didnt see on the Traveler concept was a windshield wiper on the rear hatch glass. I find them useful since we have a lot of pollen and rain showers here.

A necessity for those of us who live on dirt roads.

 

[cyure]

A necessity for those of us who live on dirt roads.

Jamie announced the other day it will have one.

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Aug 12, 2025

The production vehicle will have a rear wiper.

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[R1TVT]

Maybe the tweaks will help prospective buyers realize that the Scout will support interesting modifications by owners - something that has been stated as a feature, differentiator to other EV's & a selling point.

AGREED 100% - Even the smallest tweaks at this stage are massively expensive and just a waste of money. Wait to see the production models and any design changes, get real specs (not A/I generated hypotheticals), then make a more informed decision about converting reservations.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

What he is saying is that the production models have real bumpers, air bags, DOT seat belts, improved aero that wouldn’t be cheap to incorporate into the concepts, etc., etc.

The production models are virtually identical to the concepts. There are some spotting differences, but most are subtle. Production bumpers are one difference for example that most would spot, but I think they look better.

Jamie

 

[dreamweaver]

What he is saying is that the production models have real bumpers, air bags, DOT seat belts, improved aero that wouldn’t be cheap to incorporate into the concepts, etc., etc.

The production models are virtually identical to the concepts. There are some spotting differences, but most are subtle. Production bumpers are one difference for example that most would spot, but I think they look better.

Jamie

Thank you Jamie for the clarification.

 

[cyure]

Thank you Jamie for the clarification.

Someday we will look back on this time and go oh that’s what Jamie meant.

 

[J Alynn]

What he is saying is that the production models have real bumpers, air bags, DOT seat belts, improved aero that wouldn’t be cheap to incorporate into the concepts, etc., etc.

The production models are virtually identical to the concepts. There are some spotting differences, but most are subtle. Production bumpers are one difference for example that most would spot, but I think they look better.

Jamie

Always appreciate your input to keep things all on track