I see. Well this is a good question to make note of going forward. My son was actually asking me today what the plan is for heating and I just keep saying we dont have specifics yet.
What is one feature you hope Scout will include that has not yet been shown?
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Items I would love to see on the Scouts as standard safety equipment:
Active lane keep assist (not just the passive system which has a bell or seat jiggle - my 2016 Volt actually steers me back into my lane) - can be turned off when off-roading
Brake Assist - Scout sees a car or object when going forward and deactivates cruise control and starts braking, unless driver overrides by pressing on the "Go" pedal.
One pedal driving which can be manually operated with steering wheel hand brake
In the infotainment system, show what the onboard scale reads and what percentage of the payload capacity is being used as well as actual weight of on-board load.
Amber turn lamps on front and rear of vehicle.
Front, side and rear camera for 360-degree view for reversing.
Active lane keep assist (not just the passive system which has a bell or seat jiggle - my 2016 Volt actually steers me back into my lane) - can be turned off when off-roading
Brake Assist - Scout sees a car or object when going forward and deactivates cruise control and starts braking, unless driver overrides by pressing on the "Go" pedal.
One pedal driving which can be manually operated with steering wheel hand brake
In the infotainment system, show what the onboard scale reads and what percentage of the payload capacity is being used as well as actual weight of on-board load.
Amber turn lamps on front and rear of vehicle.
Front, side and rear camera for 360-degree view for reversing.
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Not so much of a feature not shown, but seeing a new feature/detail I hadn’t noticed or paid attention to. The interior door arm rest on the Terra. Two items-notice how great the detail is on the mirror adjuster knob-yes KNOB. So much better than a little plastic up/down toggle like most cars.
The other item is the little “tray” in front of that control knob. I wonder what they intended to go in there-breath mints? Anybody have any thoughts on what you’d use it for? It’s great to have and it’s convenient but just drawing a blank on what I’d put in there. Love finding and noticing details I’ve overlooked the past 7 months
The other item is the little “tray” in front of that control knob. I wonder what they intended to go in there-breath mints? Anybody have any thoughts on what you’d use it for? It’s great to have and it’s convenient but just drawing a blank on what I’d put in there. Love finding and noticing details I’ve overlooked the past 7 months
Comparing it to a Wrangler makes total sense.
The Ineos has a solid front axle. Wranglers do as well.
The Scout has independent front suspension which usually means a rack and pinion compared to a steering box on solid front axle vehicles. Very different setups and geometry.
Solid front axles articulate more so in offroad situations your tires are most likely not going to lift off of the ground compared to independent front suspension due to its geometry, but on road solid axles don’t handle as well as IFS.
The Ineos sounds like it either needs more caster adjustment to return to center easier or a revision to their steering box, but even then they will not handle like IFS.
Well I’m glad to hear the steering is different on the Scout. Having lived in the Wrangler world for 12 years I’m ready for a change.
Everything I have seen and read about the Grenadier is that its steering is intended to be that way. I mean it doesn’t come back to center at all. However the wheel is when you take your hands off that’s where it stays.
And by the way those things have just gotten so much more expensive. When I started looking they were low $70s and up to low $80s for what I would have wanted. I still get the alerts from CarGurus when a new one pops up. Now I am routinely seeing low $90s to $95. I’m sorry that’s insane for the features you get in that vehicle
They really are designed for people who want the most capable offroad focused vehicle possible. It’s definitely got the look, but in practice it very rugged and really shines off pavement.
That being said, there are ways for Ineos to improve the steering system.
Ford has solid axles on their F250 but they return to center easier, and can be controlled by the collision detection system.
Their steering box is still rugged but it’s been modernized.
Ineos could do something similar but the owner is a bit of a maverick so I could see him leaving it because that’s how he remembers the steering on his old Land Rover Defender, the vehicle he vowed to replace when Land Rover neutered the Defender.
I totally can see that being the reason. I mean for $95 you don’t even get a gauge cluster. He just has his idea of how the Grenadier is going to be and that’s it.
I just love the way they look. I have always loved old Defenders.
There are several changes I’d make to the Grenadier, and that is definitely one of them.
The other would be a small displacement diesel to increase their fuel range like other markets get instead of the BMW straight six gasser out of a 3 Series or Supra GR.
I was seriously considering one but they couldn’t tell me if there will be a 3 row model in the future so I crossed them off my list.
Still great little cars for what they are intended to do.
One of my favorite 4x4 YouTubers, Ronny Dahl has made a great series with his.
The other would be a small displacement diesel to increase their fuel range like other markets get instead of the BMW straight six gasser out of a 3 Series or Supra GR.
I was seriously considering one but they couldn’t tell me if there will be a 3 row model in the future so I crossed them off my list.
Still great little cars for what they are intended to do.
One of my favorite 4x4 YouTubers, Ronny Dahl has made a great series with his.
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Oh if you like to camp/overland etc it seems they would be a great cars, but it’s just overkill for a daily driver. It was funny driving it having a GR Supra knowing that was the same engine. Plus the gas mileage don’t get me started.
At this point in my life I want the confidence of having an off-road capable vehicle with modern conveniences like power seats and a nice screen, etc. the Grenadier feels stuck in the past. But it does have safari windows and those are amazing.
To many posts to ensure this hasn't been covered, but I'll add this:
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Light package that allows for strobe effect. I use my vehicle for work and the ability to have a clean factory strobe system for construction zones would be great! Can't imagine it is that difficult, just a programming option. Also great for dusty conditions, etc.
Additionally, the LED lights need a warming option for snow storms. The LEDs on my Jeep Gladiator were downright dangerous in wet heavy snow. Just packed pulled of ice/snow.
Lighting Options:
Light package that allows for strobe effect. I use my vehicle for work and the ability to have a clean factory strobe system for construction zones would be great! Can't imagine it is that difficult, just a programming option. Also great for dusty conditions, etc.
Additionally, the LED lights need a warming option for snow storms. The LEDs on my Jeep Gladiator were downright dangerous in wet heavy snow. Just packed pulled of ice/snow.
Strobe setting has not been mentioned but is a great suggestion. Heated headlamp housings has been suggested on multiple threads but nothing official stated by SM
Some aftermarket LED headlights are being sold with heated lenses - more efficient than heating the housing. IMO, that should be mandatory for LED headlights. It's just unsafe for a vehicle that is used in cold weather areas to go without.
Agreed. Both my Bronco now and my Touareg before it have/had major headlight icing issues. Rainx helps but last time I drove through Wyoming in February I still had to get out and clear the headlights every 50 miles in the dark.
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Some bougie cars have heated headlight washer fluid nozzles
My 2019 Golf R has them. Great car, not bougie.Some bougie cars have heated headlight washer fluid nozzles
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