Luxury features I would like to See

[Chavannigans]

Agreed on trims but the forerunner is not offered in the Lexus world but if you want a luxury Land Cruiser it’s sold by Lexus.
History:
Pontiac and Chevy too similar and when economy got ruff one was sacrificed.
Plymouth and Dodge same thing.
Just saying auto companies if they look to history they’re a little more cautious about making things to similar.
Again Sorry if I insulted anyone it was not my intention.

There is a Lexus version of the 4runner.

I drive one everyday.

All suspension and steering components are interchangeable because it shares the same frame as the 4th Gen 4Runner. Same axles. Same lift kits.

The difference is it has a more refined interior with wood grain and leather, and came packed with features like rain-sensing windshield wipers, touchscreen GPS navigation, optional air ride suspension, electronically adjustable shocks, and automatic headlights. They all came standard with a V8 and full time AWD. And the body, obviously.

Some of those features were optional on the 4th Gen 4Runner.

The new Toyota Land Cruiser and 4Runner also share the same TNGA-F platform as the Lexus GX550. So that tradition still lives on.

But there seems to be some confusion between a partnership between two companies like Rivian and Scout, and a parent company dynamic like Lexus and Toyota.

Scott has said many times that “These are clean sheet designs.” much like Rivian’s.

They look nothing alike. They will share none of the same powertrain components, and in fact I doubt you’ll be able to swap anything between them directly.

They cater to two different audiences.

Rivians speak to people with a vacation home or elevated social class and enjoy occasional soft-roading.

Scout is saying we made a work truck you can go hit Moab in confidence with.

There will be some cross shopping, but not as much as you’d think. Unless you are comparing the more affordable R2, which is more akin to a Rav 4 than a Scout Traveler.

 

[J Alynn]

There is a Lexus version of the 4runner.

I drive one everyday. View attachment 9516

All suspension and steering components are interchangeable because it shares the same frame as the 4th Gen 4Runner. Same axles. Same lift kits.

The difference is it has a more refined interior with wood grain and leather, and came packed with features like rain-sensing windshield wipers, touchscreen GPS navigation, optional air ride suspension, electronically adjustable shocks, and automatic headlights. They all came standard with a V8 and full time AWD. And the body, obviously.

Some of those features were optional on the 4th Gen 4Runner.

The new Toyota Land Cruiser and 4Runner also share the same TNGA-F platform as the Lexus GX550. So that tradition still lives on.

But there seems to be some confusion between a partnership between two companies like Rivian and Scout, and a parent company dynamic like Lexus and Toyota.

Scott has said many times that “These are clean sheet designs.” much like Rivian’s.

They look nothing alike. They will share none of the same powertrain components, and in fact I doubt you’ll be able to swap anything between them directly.

They cater to two different audiences.

Rivians speak to people with a vacation home or elevated social class and enjoy occasional soft-roading.

Scout is saying we made a work truck you can go hit Moab in confidence with.

There will be some cross shopping, but not as much as you’d think. Unless you are comparing the more affordable R2, which is more akin to a Rav 4 than a Scout Traveler.

This is a pretty nice assessment and always love a solid off road Lexus

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

But there seems to be some confusion between a partnership between two companies like Rivian and Scout, and a parent company dynamic like Lexus and Toyota.

Scott has said many times that “These are clean sheet designs.” much like Rivian’s.

Exactly this.

The only similarity between Scout and Rivian, besides the general EV offering is that VW has a license and tech sharing agreement with Rivian for zonal architecture.

They look nothing alike. They will share none of the same powertrain components, and in fact I doubt you’ll be able to swap anything between them directly.

Not even the wheels.

There will be some cross shopping, but not as much as you’d think. Unless you are comparing the more affordable R2, which is more akin to a Rav 4 than a Scout Traveler.

Our cross-shopping includes the R2 (we would prefer a smaller SUV) or a used 2026+ R1S. But yeah, there's likely to be only a little bit of cross-shopping overall.

 

[R1TVT]

But there seems to be some confusion between a partnership between two companies like Rivian and Scout, and a parent company dynamic like Lexus and Toyota.

Scott has said many times that “These are clean sheet designs.” much like Rivian’s.

They look nothing alike. They will share none of the same powertrain components, and in fact I doubt you’ll be able to swap anything between them directly.

They cater to two different audiences.

Rivians speak to people with a vacation home or elevated social class and enjoy occasional soft-roading.

Scout is saying we made a work truck you can go hit Moab in confidence with.

There will be some cross shopping, but not as much as you’d think. Unless you are comparing the more affordable R2, which is more akin to a Rav 4 than a Scout Traveler.

I agree with everything you are saying about the relationship between Scout and Rivian. They will be 2 completely different vehicles/brands.

But, if Rivians speak to speak to an "elevated social class", as you state, then Lexxus is speaking to an even more "elevated" audience. You would be better off referring to avg. househoid income, instead of using labels like elevated social class, when considering Rivian (or Scout's target demographic).

There will also be plenty of Scout buyers in this exact same demographic, and let's be honest - many who will never take a Scout off-road.

 

[cyure]

I agree with everything you are saying about the relationship between Scout and Rivian. They will be 2 completely different vehicles/brands.

But, if Rivians speak to speak to an "elevated social class", as you state, then Lexxus is speaking to an even more "elevated" audience. You would be better off referring to avg. househoid income, instead of using labels like elevated social class, when considering Rivian (or Scout's target demographic).

There will also be plenty of Scout buyers in this exact same demographic, and let's be honest - many who will never take a Scout off-road.
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This sounds like me. Test Drove a Rivian. Wasn’t for me. I love the off road look and there’s a comfort factor for me living in Illinois knowing that my vehicle can handle the inclimate weather. I have two kids who work in healthcare and even when the police department is saying stay off the roads they have to get to work. So everybody gets dropped off and picked up in my Wrangler. My Scout will take over those duties. So she will be my pavement princess but she needs to be capable nonetheless.

Moral of the story. Could I afford a Rivian? Yes. Do I want a Rivian? No.

 

[Chavannigans]

I agree with everything you are saying about the relationship between Scout and Rivian. They will be 2 completely different vehicles/brands.

But, if Rivians speak to speak to an "elevated social class", as you state, then Lexxus is speaking to an even more "elevated" audience. You would be better off referring to avg. househoid income, instead of using labels like elevated social class, when considering Rivian (or Scout's target demographic).

There will also be plenty of Scout buyers in this exact same demographic, and let's be honest - many who will never take a Scout off-road.
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Uh oh I did a wrong-speak.

Please forgive me for using the triggering language.

Anyways, people that buy Lexus vehicles also hold onto them a long time because they are reliable. Rivians are not synonymous with reliability.

Lexus vehicles consistently stay in the Top 5 of original owner vehicles with around 11%-12% holding onto them for over 10 years.

They may compete for the same financial demographics, but Lexus folks tend to be more conservative and older while Rivians are more appealing to younger people with a lot of expendable income.

 

[J Alynn]

Uh oh I did a wrong-speak.

Please forgive me for using the triggering language.

Anyways, people that buy Lexus vehicles also hold onto them a long time because they are reliable. Rivians are not synonymous with reliability.

Lexus vehicles consistently stay in the Top 5 of original owner vehicles with around 11%-12% holding onto them for over 10 years.

They may compete for the same financial demographics, but Lexus folks tend to be more conservative and older while Rivians are more appealing to younger people with a lot of expendable income.

If it wasn’t for my first Scout and 40 years of wanting another id be driving a GX550 right now for every reason you listed

 

[R1TVT]

Uh oh I did a wrong-speak.

Please forgive me for using the triggering language.

You posted something and I responded to it with actual data, now you appear to be triggered by my response. LOL. Its OK! I actually agreed with half of your post anyway.

 

[bakdraft8231]

Kinda hoping they Keep Scout more blue collar. Beer and fire pit.
Riven white collar. Country club

I think corporate may also try to keep separate if too close it could ultimately hurt sales for both then it would end up only one can survive.

said it b4,I like the Porsche way of a shit ton of options or not, that way its also like Burger Kingyou can have it your way...or not...with the luxury options, I think it Scout would take a BIG hit in sales, if ya want massages seats and a belly button lint picker great if not great....not sure how much longer I can wait though..

 

[cyure]

said it b4,I like the Porsche way of a shit ton of options or not, that way its also like Burger Kingyou can have it your way...or not...with the luxury options, I think it Scout would take a BIG hit in sales, if ya want massages seats and a belly button lint picker great if not great....not sure how much longer I can wait though..

The waiting is truly the hardest part. I’m fortunate that my Wrangler has a MOPAR lifetime warranty, so I can wait. Literally if the engine died tomorrow, even tho she is 12 with 111,000 miles, with that warranty I have the dealer will put a new engine in for my $100 deductible. So I’m good until I get to pick up my Scout.

With the Scout being a minimum of 2 years and some change out I expect we will see more people leasing things etc to make it until it gets here. We all need transportation and not everyone has the luxury of waiting. We do what we have to do.

 

[R1TVT]

I’m fortunate that my Wrangler has a MOPAR lifetime warranty, so I can wait. Literally if the engine died tomorrow, even tho she is 12 with 111,000 miles, with that warranty I have the dealer will put a new engine in for my $100 deductible. So I’m good until I get to pick up my Scout.

I'm assuming you will keep the Jeep (based on the lifetime warranty) when your Scout arrives? Those types of warranties are either hard to come by now, or super expensive I'm guessing

 

[cyure]

I'm assuming you will keep the Jeep (based on the lifetime warranty) when your Scout arrives? Those types of warranties are either hard to come by now, or super expensive I'm guessing

Thats the plan. My son wants to get a sports car so the plan is to keep it for his secondary car. You can’t get that warranty anymore on new Jeeps.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

Thats the plan. My son wants to get a sports car so the plan is to keep it for his secondary car. You can’t get that warranty anymore on new Jeeps.

Is that like the Granger warranty?

 

[cyure]

Is that like the Granger warranty?

I don’t know that name. It was a warranty that Chrysler Dodge Jeep sold back when I bought my car. I think it was $4000 or so and they said it was lifetime as long as we own the car. So I just take my car to the dealer for service and I have gotten a few repairs for my $100 deductible. It’s paid for itself by now. It’s not an extended warranty I bought from another company and pay monthly for if that’s your question.

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

Well said.

Scout’s direction to-date seems to be to make a vehicle that will appeal to a lot of different people. If I can afford a Scout, I won’t be buying some of the more luxury features, but I wouldn’t begrudge anyone buying them. I don’t mind driving a vehicle that carries the same name as a vehicle driven by a millionaire. I’m not going to be rubbing elbows with them, but if they want to try to be as cool as me, who am I to deny them that?

This right here, this is the boat I’m in. Well said.