Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

[cyure]

I've been thinking about making that switch at some point too. Both models seem to be very capable but the simplicity of a full BEV seems a little more attractive, I think it'll just be best to wait and see the updates scout provides as we get closer to launch date and the improvements to EV infrastructure throughout the country.

I think what I'd need to see to fully commit to the Full BEV is lucid levels of efficiency, which might be a myth lol it does not seem like any manufacturer can get close just yet. hopefully scout can figure out what lucid has going on because north of 3.5 miles/kWh would be a dream.

I’m in the same boat. And my understanding, someone correct me if I’m wrong, is that it’s not necessary to change our reservation to the BEV and when it’s time to order we can change even at that point. Is that correct? Because I am totally undecided at this point in time.

 

[dreamweaver]

I’m in the same boat. And my understanding, someone correct me if I’m wrong, is that it’s not necessary to change our reservation to the BEV and when it’s time to order we can change even at that point. Is that correct? Because I am totally undecided at this point in time.

"is that it’s not necessary to change our reservation to the BEV and when it’s time to order we can change even at that point."

That is my understanding as well. However, once you have Scout's equivalent to a DORA (Dealer Order Receipt Acknowledgement) changing things could be more difficult.

 

[cyure]

"is that it’s not necessary to change our reservation to the BEV and when it’s time to order we can change even at that point."

That is my understanding as well. However, once you have Scout's equivalent to a DORA (Dealer Order Receipt Acknowledgement) changing things could be more difficult.

Thanks for the confirmation. That’s the way I understood it as well.

 

[LastDayScout]

I've been thinking about making that switch at some point too. Both models seem to be very capable but the simplicity of a full BEV seems a little more attractive, I think it'll just be best to wait and see the updates scout provides as we get closer to launch date and the improvements to EV infrastructure throughout the country.

I think what I'd need to see to fully commit to the Full BEV is lucid levels of efficiency, which might be a myth lol it does not seem like any manufacturer can get close just yet. hopefully scout can figure out what lucid has going on because north of 3.5 miles/kWh would be a dream.

I think you are correct that the BEV version will be way less complicated. It will be a good choice for many if not most including me. I share your hope for 3.5 m/kWh, but aerodynamics and tires will play a big role in making that difficult. I have a BMW iX that has a drag coefficient of 0.25 Cd. That is really good for a vehicle of its size. I average 3.2 m/kWh if I use Efficient mode. I do run performance all season tires instead of the summer tires that it came with. That switch hurt my efficiency a little, but worth it for wet traction and cold weather safety. For what it's worth the Rivian R1S has a drag coefficient of 0.28-0.322 depending on who you ask.

 

[R1TVT]

I'm dubious about anything exceeding 2.0 miles/ kWh (ON AVG)... The Lucid and BMW comparisons are very different. When looking at the Terra or Traveler, the tires and wheels are much heavier, the shape is much boxier, the heights are much taller and there is more air moving underneath, over and around the box creating more friction. Overall, curb weight will be vastly different when comparing to EV cars. The R1S comparison is good, b/c I am guessing the the Scout may be slightly less aerodynamic. Of course this is all speculation again, until we see some real-world testing. In my R1T, anytime I am getting over 2.0 I am happy. I don't drive it conservatively or different than I would drive any other truck. If I drive conservatively, stay under 70MPH, use only 2 motors in Conserve mode and have warm temps and no wind or weather, then yes, I can get above that 2.0 mark pretty easily. Driving downhill? No problem, but in the real world where I live, we have winter, we have weather, we have elevation changes, and I drive the truck like a truck. 2.0 is nice, 2.5 would be amazing on average, 3.0 seems like perfect conditions would need to exist.

 

[LastDayScout]

I'm dubious about anything exceeding 2.0 miles/ kWh (ON AVG)... The Lucid and BMW comparisons are very different. When looking at the Terra or Traveler, the tires and wheels are much heavier, the shape is much boxier, the heights are much taller and there is more air moving underneath, over and around the box creating more friction. Overall, curb weight will be vastly different when comparing to EV cars. The R1S comparison is good, b/c I am guessing the the Scout may be slightly less aerodynamic. Of course this is all speculation again, until we see some real-world testing. In my R1T, anytime I am getting over 2.0 I am happy. I don't drive it conservatively or different than I would drive any other truck. If I drive conservatively, stay under 70MPH, use only 2 motors in Conserve mode and have warm temps and no wind or weather, then yes, I can get above that 2.0 mark pretty easily. Driving downhill? No problem, but in the real world where I live, we have winter, we have weather, we have elevation changes, and I drive the truck like a truck. 2.0 is nice, 2.5 would be amazing on average, 3.0 seems like perfect conditions would need to exist.

To be fair, it’s warmer where I live and it’s flat ground unlike where @R1TVT lives. But I suspect that more people will see numbers closer to the 2-2.5 like he is seeing. Yes, my BMW is not a direct comparison in any way to the Rivian or Scout. But, here is my April efficiency for reference.

 

[Chaz26]

I agree that there's no way Scout's are getting anywhere near to Lucid levels of efficiency, pretty much impossible based on their design. I'm thinking for highway driving in the Terra, it's going to be around 2-2.5 miles per kWh. I still hope the BEV option will have about a 150 kW usable battery (or more) just to make sure it can get a 300 - 350 mile range during normal driving conditions.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Anything above 2.5 mi/kWh for the EPA average is a pipe dream. Drag is, by far, the most important factor, and you can't make these bricks any slicker.

EV Truck Miles per kWh (epa range divided by battery size, ignoring charge efficiency):

• Ford F-150 Lightning: Approximately 2.44 mi/kWh (based on a 320-mile range with a 131 kWh battery).
  
  
• Rivian R1T: Around 2.23 mi/kWh (based on a 401-mile range with a 180 kWh battery).
  
  
• Chevrolet Silverado EV: Around 2.12 mi/kWh (based on a 450-mile range with a 212 kWh battery).
  
  
• GMC Hummer EV Pickup: Roughly 1.48 mi/kWh.
  

 

[J Alynn]

I’m in the same boat. And my understanding, someone correct me if I’m wrong, is that it’s not necessary to change our reservation to the BEV and when it’s time to order we can change even at that point. Is that correct? Because I am totally undecided at this point in time.

"is that it’s not necessary to change our reservation to the BEV and when it’s time to order we can change even at that point."

That is my understanding as well. However, once you have Scout's equivalent to a DORA (Dealer Order Receipt Acknowledgement) changing things could be more difficult.

Agreed