Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

[cyure]

I’m a big ev fan, but I’m glad Scout has the harvester option, making it a good choice for a lot more people. It’s a gateway drug

Honestly if it would have been offered as only an EV I wouldn’t have put in a reservation. Being on this forum and learning more has me considering the BEV. I’m glad I have time to decide. I’m so glad they offered both and it opened it up to so many more people.

 

[LastDayScout]

I’m a big ev fan, but I’m glad Scout has the harvester option, making it a good choice for a lot more people. It’s a gateway drug

great way to put it. I agree.

 

[AlanL]

I have been and right now still am a solid “gotta have a Harvester for towing” person. But I’m keeping an open mind. Today’s State of Charge youtube video announced that Walmart plans to enter the DCFC market in a big way. Something to watch between now and making a final choice.

 

[J Alynn]

I have been and right now still am a solid “gotta have a Harvester for towing” person. But I’m keeping an open mind. Today’s State of Charge youtube video announced that Walmart plans to enter the DCFC market in a big way. Something to watch between now and making a final choice.

This will be huge. I’ve said before several chains need to do this so hoping now that Walmart has announced, maybe others will follow. Still think McD’s or Chick fil an and Cracker Barrel could saturate more of the east coast. Maybe a few mid sized chains or even tractor supply though generally not highway friendly

 

[OH1984]

This will be huge. I’ve said before several chains need to do this so hoping now that Walmart has announced, maybe others will follow. Still think McD’s or Chick fil an and Cracker Barrel could saturate more of the east coast. Maybe a few mid sized chains or even tractor supply though generally not highway friendly

Really does make a ton of sense for food and shopping places as well as hotels especially to cater to the EV market to increase sales and traffic.
Heck even national parks and use part of their revenue from chargers to offset preservation efforts.
If infrastructure improves I’m going full EV hands down. Already love the Tesla and plug in when I get home each day.

 

[cyure]

Really does make a ton of sense for food and shopping places as well as hotels especially to cater to the EV market to increase sales and traffic.
Heck even national parks and use part of their revenue from chargers to offset preservation efforts.
If infrastructure improves I’m going full EV hands down. Already love the Tesla and plug in when I get home each day.

Rivian is putting their adventure charging centers at National Parks. I think it’s great.

 

[Chuckles]

I have been and right now still am a solid “gotta have a Harvester for towing” person. But I’m keeping an open mind. Today’s State of Charge youtube video announced that Walmart plans to enter the DCFC market in a big way. Something to watch between now and making a final choice.

Here's an article for those who don't want to watch the video:

https://insideevs.com/news/757648/walmart-ev-charging-network-revealed/

 

[OH1984]

This will be huge. I’ve said before several chains need to do this so hoping now that Walmart has announced, maybe others will follow. Still think McD’s or Chick fil an and Cracker Barrel could saturate more of the east coast. Maybe a few mid sized chains or even tractor supply though generally not highway friendly

Really does make a ton of sense for food and shopping places as well as hotels especially to cater to the EV market to increase sales and traffic.
Heck even national parks and use part of their revenue from chargers to offset preservation efforts.
If infrastructure improves I’m going full EV hands down. Already love the

Rivian is putting their adventure charging centers at National Parks. I think it’s great.

that’s amazing!

 

[cyure]

Really does make a ton of sense for food and shopping places as well as hotels especially to cater to the EV market to increase sales and traffic.
Heck even national parks and use part of their revenue from chargers to offset preservation efforts.
If infrastructure improves I’m going full EV hands down. Already love the

that’s amazing!

Rivian Opens Its Adventure Network Charging Stations to All EVs

The first is in Joshua Tree, California, with planned expansion to seven other states.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[LastDayScout]

Questions for those that have reserved the Harvester.
1. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the wait for the Harvester is longer?
2. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the price is higher for the Harvester?

 

[AlanL]

Questions for those that have reserved the Harvester.
1. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the wait for the Harvester is longer?
2. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the price is higher for the Harvester?

Probably no to both. Depends on how much later or how much more money. Finding long trip ruralish charging is the biggest factor followed by total charging time over a long driving day. The Traveler tow limit might come in too. We can get by with 5000, will tow around 4300, but having 6000 or more is enticing. Maybe we will win a lottery and be able to afford a Pebble Flow!

 

[Chuckles]

Questions for those that have reserved the Harvester.
1. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the wait for the Harvester is longer?
2. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the price is higher for the Harvester?

No to both, and I fully expect the Harvester to cost extra.

 

[BeerParty]

Questions for those that have reserved the Harvester.
1. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the wait for the Harvester is longer?
2. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the price is higher for the Harvester?

Neither of those would be my motivation to change from the Harvester to the BEV.

What would motivate me to change to a BEV is if Walmart actually delivers on their plan to install DC fast charging in their locations with pull through stalls for people with trailers. It is only a few times a year, but I have trips where I need to pull a trailer more than 400 miles. The trailer is less than 5,000lbs fully loaded, so the weight reduction for the Harvester is not an issue for me. But I will need to recharge/refuel with a trailer. Having to park and disconnect a trailer so I can recharge during the trip would be really annoying.

Other than those trips, my typical use would be less than 100 miles a day. So I could run the Harvester as an EV for my daily driving (98% of the time) and use gas to extend the range for those long towing trips. But, if there is a Walmart (or other location) along my route with a charger I can use without disconnecting the trailer, I would switch to the BEV in a heartbeat.

 

[AlanL]

I fully expect the Harvester to cost extra.

I suspect you're right. But Scott Keogh was coy about this in the Motor Trend interview and I've read some things recently that suggest the manufacturing cost of the Harvester might be lower. A 65 kWh LFP battery and genset could be a lot less expensive than a 125 kWh NMC battery. Keeping the Harvester price down would help with 50 state adoption and in the offroad enthusiast community.

 

[LastDayScout]

I am very curious to read these answers. I think it is intriguing and valuable to Scout to know what the motivators are. I have a suspicion that the Harvester will come later and cost more. It was only first mentioned at the reveal which was two years after he first announcement. Also, there is no getting around that adding the Harvester is more expensive and complex. I know that some will argue that batteries are more expensive than an engine, but there is more too it. The engineering costs have to be recouped and there are way more components than the much simpler BEV version. I have a Traveler BEV and a Terra Harvester reserved. I am seriously considering switching the Terra to BEV.

 

[LastDayScout]

Probably no to both. Depends on how much later or how much more money. Finding long trip ruralish charging is the biggest factor followed by total charging time over a long driving day. The Traveler tow limit might come in too. We can get by with 5000, will tow around 4300, but having 6000 or more is enticing. Maybe we will win a lottery and be able to afford a Pebble Flow!

Thanks for answering.

 

[LastDayScout]

No to both, and I fully expect the Harvester to cost extra.

Thanks for answering.

 

[LastDayScout]

Neither of those would be my motivation to change from the Harvester to the BEV.

What would motivate me to change to a BEV is if Walmart actually delivers on their plan to install DC fast charging in their locations with pull through stalls for people with trailers. It is only a few times a year, but I have trips where I need to pull a trailer more than 400 miles. The trailer is less than 5,000lbs fully loaded, so the weight reduction for the Harvester is not an issue for me. But I will need to recharge/refuel with a trailer. Having to park and disconnect a trailer so I can recharge during the trip would be really annoying.

Other than those trips, my typical use would be less than 100 miles a day. So I could run the Harvester as an EV for my daily driving (98% of the time) and use gas to extend the range for those long towing trips. But, if there is a Walmart (or other location) along my route with a charger I can use without disconnecting the trailer, I would switch to the BEV in a heartbeat.

Thanks for answering.

 

[AlanL]

I am seriously considering switching the Terra to BEV.

My hope and understanding is that we can switch right up to the point of finalizing an order so no need to hurry. Unless the balance of preorders has a big effect on what they produce first. Your good engineering delay points aside, they seem to have said the factory will be able to adjust the mix very quickly once both are ready for production.

 

[LastDayScout]

My hope and understanding is that we can switch right up to the point of finalizing an order so no need to hurry. Unless the balance of preorders has a big effect on what they produce first. Your good engineering delay points aside, they seem to have said the factory will be able to adjust the mix very quickly once both are ready for production.

It is my understanding that you can switch at any time. You are also correct that Scout mentioned that the factory is being designed for maximum flexibility. However, I just suspect that the Harvester development timeline is significantly behind the BEV. How significant is the question.