Poll- What have you Reserved... Let's get a small idea of the take rates.

[speedrye]

I remember it. It’s probably floating around in the reveal post or something.

That makes me feel better, or perhaps mass delusion?

The EREV batteries are much smaller and use the cheaper LFP batteries that aren't as heat-sensitive as the NMC batteries in the BEV, but whether that's enough to offset the cost of a generator is the question. The EREV also has a lower discharge rate, so I'd assume wiring other areas can be reduced in cost possibly. The tow rating might be an issue though, and whatever is being done to increase that might eat away at the anticipated cost difference.

With the low take-rate, the federal regulation/testing costs will disproportionately affect the EVs since there will be less units sold to spread the cost out amongst.

Definitely curious how it all shakes out.

 

[add]

I reserved the Traveler Harvester. We just purchased our first EV, Rivian R2...Great SUV, but I just love the idea and security of extra miles, if necessary, with the onboard gas generator. The planned interior of the Scout looks more sophisticated than the Rivian. But we'll see. Overall, I've very pleased with the Rivian. I highly recommend a home wall charger for anyone thinking about purchasing an EV.

 

[cyure]

I reserved the Traveler Harvester. We just purchased our first EV, Rivian R2...Great SUV, but I just love the idea and security of extra miles, if necessary, with the onboard gas generator. The planned interior of the Scout looks more sophisticated than the Rivian. But we'll see. Overall, I've very pleased with the Rivian. I highly recommend a home wall charger for anyone thinking about purchasing an EV.

Welcome to the community! I have a question.

Can you let us know if at some point you decide to stick with an EV and change your Scout reservation to the BEV Traveler?

Thanks and welcome again!

 

[Scout_Lookout]

I reserved the Traveler Harvester. We just purchased our first EV, Rivian R2...Great SUV, but I just love the idea and security of extra miles, if necessary, with the onboard gas generator. The planned interior of the Scout looks more sophisticated than the Rivian. But we'll see. Overall, I've very pleased with the Rivian. I highly recommend a home wall charger for anyone thinking about purchasing an EV.

Welcome to the community and as Rivian R1T owner welcome to the family!

Congrats on getting your R2. Is the R2 your first EV? 100% a wall charger is the way to go. I lived with a Long Range Model 3 for 3 years and just plugged into my wall outlet gaining 8 miles of charge overnight and then charging it to 100% by Monday morning I could commute daily (41 mile round trip) I could make it M-F without any additional charging.

However with my R1T getting around 1.9-2.2 of range with the same commute I absolutely NEED a wall charger lol!

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

If only it was that much in real life...

Are we saying that the actual, official BEV Terra reservation rate is lower?

 

[mrgold35]

I figured the EREV and BEV would be very similar in price; but, that is 100% guess-i-mation with the smaller battery pack, I.C.E. generator that only supplies DC power, and gas tank. I'm also taking a SWAG (Scientific Wild A$$ Guess) the EREV would have a slight higher re-sell value 3-5 years down the road because of being closer to a mild hybrid compared to a PHEV or BEV.

 

[speedrye]

I figured the EREV and BEV would be very similar in price; but, that is 100% guess-i-mation with the smaller battery pack, I.C.E. generator that only supplies DC power, and gas tank. I'm also taking a SWAG (Scientific Wild A$$ Guess) the EREV would have a slight higher re-sell value 3-5 years down the road because of being closer to a mild hybrid compared to a PHEV or BEV.

I don't know what difference it makes, but it's noted in some of the Scout patents that the generator produces AC, not DC.

 

[R1TVT]

With potentially higher maintenance & warranty costs incurred by Scout (based on running 2 subsystems with the EREV), I would guess there will be a higher cost burden associated with the Harvester from a servicing perspective. If I'm Scout, and I have a large audience of fence-sitters once production starts and orders are being finalized, my corporate goal goal might be to incentivize desired buyer-behaviors & steer those people toward the pure BEV trucks. With that in mind, and looking at the demands on the SC network and time it will take to reach gross profitability per vehicle (as one important metric for viability of the business), then running the numbers, I foresee the Pure BEV variants coming in at $2,275 less than the Harvester!

 

[J Alynn]

I'm expecting the BEV to be $2,275 more than the Harvester.

Ironically I’m basically thinking the exact opposite. Need to pay for R&D for the bridge technology

 

[J Alynn]

I reserved the Traveler Harvester. We just purchased our first EV, Rivian R2...Great SUV, but I just love the idea and security of extra miles, if necessary, with the onboard gas generator. The planned interior of the Scout looks more sophisticated than the Rivian. But we'll see. Overall, I've very pleased with the Rivian. I highly recommend a home wall charger for anyone thinking about purchasing an EV.

Welcome to the community

 

[Scout_Lookout]

Ironically I’m basically thinking the exact opposite. Need to pay for R&D for the bridge technology

Same. I'm also really hoping its the case lol

 

[maynard]

I reserved the Traveler Harvester. We just purchased our first EV, Rivian R2...Great SUV, but I just love the idea and security of extra miles, if necessary, with the onboard gas generator. The planned interior of the Scout looks more sophisticated than the Rivian. But we'll see. Overall, I've very pleased with the Rivian. I highly recommend a home wall charger for anyone thinking about purchasing an EV.

Welcome!
Definite on the home charger - love our L2...

 

[BeerParty]

I can check my battery health on my iPhone (currently at 83% on my 13 Pro Max). Any phone apps, OBD-II readers, and/or built-in diagnostic screen that can do the same for PHEV, BEVs (and EREVs)?

Some vehicles have the battery health info available from the main display (usually buried in the menus ). For those that do not, you can get the battery health info using a ODB-II reader. My car (Ioniq 5) doesn't have the battery health available in the main display, but I know several other folks that have used the ODB-II on Ioniq 5s to get battery health.

I would be very surprised if Scout did not make the battery health info available on their main display, considering they have stated multiple times they want the vehicles to be serviceable my the owners.

 

[Broverlander]

Are we saying that the actual, official BEV Terra reservation rate is lower?

That was my impression. The take rate on the Terra BEV can't be very good for Jamie to make a comment like that.

If you think about it though, it makes sense. Truck buyers, generally speaking, don't want an EV. For pulled the proverbial plug on the lightning for that reason. That's just not the demographic and towing range, etc., is an issue with BEV. Look at the R1T. That's got to be one of the best selling electric trucks out there and Rivian sells a fraction of them compared to the R1S.

I would not be surprised if the Terra is, indeed, delayed by two years. Perhaps with the hope that technology gets better by then.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

That was my impression. The take rate on the Terra BEV can't be very good for Jamie to make a comment like that.

If you think about it though, it makes sense. Truck buyers, generally speaking, don't want an EV. For pulled the proverbial plug on the lightning for that reason. That's just not the demographic and towing range, etc., is an issue with BEV. Look at the R1T. That's got to be one of the best selling electric trucks out there and Rivian sells a fraction of them compared to the R1S.

I would not be surprised if the Terra is, indeed, delayed by two years. Perhaps with the hope that technology gets better by then.

Well, if that’s the case, I have more time to save. (Practicing @cyure’s “faith and patience” mantra)

 

[mrgold35]

I don't know what difference it makes, but it's noted in some of the Scout patents that the generator produces AC, not DC.

My mild hybrid has an DC inverter to re-charge the battery pack from the V-6 engine with an AC generator in the 7DCT. It also has dual tq vectoring rear AC drive motors and also can be used to collect power from regen braking. I just figured Scout EREV would have an DC I.C.E. generator since the motor generator wouldn't be involved in regen braking. The inverter would send and receive power as needed (AC to drive motors, AC drive motor to collect power from regen braking, AC out to climate control for BEV/EREVs, DC to battery pack, etc...).

 

[BeerParty]

Charging infrastructure away from home, range anxiety, recharging time, and battery pack degradation after 100k (add in resell value after 100,000 miles) seems to be near the top of most folks list when purchasing an EV for the first time. Those types of questions is the reason for me to go for the EREV Traveler instead of the BEV version.

Overcoming those concerns comes down to education and experience. After two years with an EV I'm convinced that the concerns most people have about the issue you mentioned are non-issues. I am not saying that there isn't a case for EREV, there certainly is. But I think that most people would be fine with a BEV.

 

[cyure]

Overcoming those concerns comes down to education and experience. After two years with an EV I'm convinced that the concerns most people have about the issue you mentioned are non-issues. I am not saying that there isn't a case for EREV, there certainly is. But I think that most people would be fine with a BEV.

This is what I’m hoping.

 

[luke.a.johnson44]

I have a family member that lives there as well (Lincoln) with a Tesla Model 3. I don’t think there’s been any issues getting around the area. They are often heading south-west from Lincoln, so away from charging infrastructure, but still no big problems.

I'm leaning towards the BEV.

 

[joetennant]

Overcoming those concerns comes down to education and experience. After two years with an EV I'm convinced that the concerns most people have about the issue you mentioned are non-issues. I am not saying that there isn't a case for EREV, there certainly is. But I think that most people would be fine with a BEV.

I have a Bolt today, and I drive the heck out of it. We have a Hybrid Kia as well, and that is what we use for longer trips. If the Bolt didn't charge at only 50KW, I would take it more places for sure.

I reserved the harvester, but mostly that was out of a sense of curiosity. I think the BEV would work in almost every case I can think of -- except there are a couple "dry" areas near me without any real DC fast charging and its killer in the winter. In an urban area, and if road-trips are a once-and-a-while a modern BEV would work really well. Plus, what does maintenance on the harvester really look like? Where is it going to be located on the vehicle? Can you do your own oil changes? Does the gasoline go stale after a while? Lots of questions here...