Is there anything SM could offer to get you to switch from EREV to BEV?

[mbowman90]

Currently I have a Harvester reservation. I tend to keep my vehicles. I buy them new, drive them till nearly dead, pass them down to the kids, resurrect them when they fail, and finally sell them for scrap. I can't remember a car I got rid of before 200k with one exception: a POS 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan that started falling apart as soon as the warranty expired in 2005. I was in Iraq, wife pregnant with #2, told her to drive it to the nearest Honda dealer and buy any Odyssey on the lot. Kid #2 is still driving it.
I think the only thing that's keeping me from switching to the BEV is I'm a bit anxious about EV lifespans. I've read EVs batteries are generally warrantied for 8, but may last 10-20. That's a big range. Is it cheaper to replace the Harvester battery if goes? Logic tells me it should be because it's smaller? But maybe it will get more wear and tear because of a more demanding use/charging cycle.
Then, living in Maryland, our Gov. has decided that EV owners aren't paying gas tax so he created an extra EV/PHEV fee (he likes the word "fee" instead of "Tax"). I thought the left are supposed to incentivize EVs? I miss SC.
And last, do I lose my place in line switching my reservation?

 

[cyure]

Currently I have a Harvester reservation. I tend to keep my vehicles. I buy them new, drive them till nearly dead, pass them down to the kids, resurrect them when they fail, and finally sell them for scrap. I can't remember a car I got rid of before 200k with one exception: a POS 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan that started falling apart as soon as the warranty expired in 2005. I was in Iraq, wife pregnant with #2, told her to drive it to the nearest Honda dealer and buy any Odyssey on the lot. Kid #2 is still driving it.
I think the only thing that's keeping me from switching to the BEV is I'm a bit anxious about EV lifespans. I've read EVs batteries are generally warrantied for 8, but may last 10-20. That's a big range. Is it cheaper to replace the Harvester battery if goes? Logic tells me it should be because it's smaller? But maybe it will get more wear and tear because of a more demanding use/charging cycle.
Then, living in Maryland, our Gov. has decided that EV owners aren't paying gas tax so he created an extra EV/PHEV fee (he likes the word "fee" instead of "Tax"). I thought the left are supposed to incentivize EVs? I miss SC.
And last, do I lose my place in line switching my reservation?

I will let others speak to battery health. As far as changing your reservation to a BEV, you do not lose your place in line and your reservation number stays the same. I changed mine a while ago from Harvester to BEV and the number is the same as it was when I put my reservation in on launch day.

 

[bwdavis7]

Currently I have a Harvester reservation. I tend to keep my vehicles. I buy them new, drive them till nearly dead, pass them down to the kids, resurrect them when they fail, and finally sell them for scrap. I can't remember a car I got rid of before 200k with one exception: a POS 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan that started falling apart as soon as the warranty expired in 2005. I was in Iraq, wife pregnant with #2, told her to drive it to the nearest Honda dealer and buy any Odyssey on the lot. Kid #2 is still driving it.
I think the only thing that's keeping me from switching to the BEV is I'm a bit anxious about EV lifespans. I've read EVs batteries are generally warrantied for 8, but may last 10-20. That's a big range. Is it cheaper to replace the Harvester battery if goes? Logic tells me it should be because it's smaller? But maybe it will get more wear and tear because of a more demanding use/charging cycle.
Then, living in Maryland, our Gov. has decided that EV owners aren't paying gas tax so he created an extra EV/PHEV fee (he likes the word "fee" instead of "Tax"). I thought the left are supposed to incentivize EVs? I miss SC.
And last, do I lose my place in line switching my reservation?

@cyure is correct. You want lose your place in line, however it appears the EREV will be released earlier. I also swapped to BEV based on my driving needs. Even though it is likely that I'll have to wait for my BEV while others are loving their EREVs, I can't see me swapping back to EREV. And like you, I tend to keep my vehicles for the long haul and do most all the maintenance myself. I still have my 2001 Sequoia and 1979 Scout II both purchased new. My intent is to keep my BEV Scout and since I'm getting older, I don't care to do much maintenance and oil changes on the new Scout.

I've read EVs batteries are generally warrantied for 8, but may last 10-20.

I'm sure @SpaceEVDriver has covered battery life in this community, but I figure with the new battery technologies, by the time the BEV Scout is released that my new Scout will outlive me.

I miss SC.

Our current governor is all in with EVs and specifically Scout, however our legislature is not following suit. They are heavily lobbied by the dealerships. So far, attempts to modify the franchise laws in SC have failed. A new governor will be voted in soon, but it's not looking real encouraging that the likely candidates will support EVs, but regardless, the legislators are the biggest concern related to EVs. SC legislators were considering a significant increase in state fees (taxes) for EVs. Fortunately, it didn't pass yet.

 

[R1TVT]

Thread 'Battery Life Cycle'

Oct 26, 2024

Sorry if this already a thread somewhere. (Didn't see one).

But what does the battery life cycle look like. Eventually all batteries will need to be replaced, is there a recycling program in the works? Thought into future upgrades as solid state becomes commercially viable? Realistic warranty or incentive pricing for sticking with your Scout and not selling it because the cost of a battery replacement is more than the vehicle is worth at that point?

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[thespieler11]

They need to formalize specs and price. Once I see where it all lands that's where I may switch from EREV to BEV.

 

[SrfnFly227]

Currently I have a Harvester reservation. I tend to keep my vehicles. I buy them new, drive them till nearly dead, pass them down to the kids, resurrect them when they fail, and finally sell them for scrap. I can't remember a car I got rid of before 200k with one exception: a POS 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan that started falling apart as soon as the warranty expired in 2005. I was in Iraq, wife pregnant with #2, told her to drive it to the nearest Honda dealer and buy any Odyssey on the lot. Kid #2 is still driving it.
I think the only thing that's keeping me from switching to the BEV is I'm a bit anxious about EV lifespans. I've read EVs batteries are generally warrantied for 8, but may last 10-20. That's a big range. Is it cheaper to replace the Harvester battery if goes? Logic tells me it should be because it's smaller? But maybe it will get more wear and tear because of a more demanding use/charging cycle.
Then, living in Maryland, our Gov. has decided that EV owners aren't paying gas tax so he created an extra EV/PHEV fee (he likes the word "fee" instead of "Tax"). I thought the left are supposed to incentivize EVs? I miss SC.
And last, do I lose my place in line switching my reservation?

Just a thought, but battery life and tech changes may actually make the Harvester unnecessary. Let's say you buy the EREV now and need to replace the battery pack in 15 years. The batteries available may have a long enough range that you no longer need the engine that's in the vehicle. Or, what if the engine isn't powerful enough to charge the newer tech batteries and now you're stuck with trying to find an older tech battery?

I don't ask those questions in an attempt to sway somebody one way or another. In fact I still debate which model I'll end up with as I originally ordered the EREV and have since changed my reservation to BEV. I wanted the EREV for range while towing, but feel the BEV is the better fit while just accepting the 2-3 times a year that I tow, I'll have to spend some extra time at the charger.

 

[strider]

I think the only thing that's keeping me from switching to the BEV is I'm a bit anxious about EV lifespans. I've read EVs batteries are generally warrantied for 8, but may last 10-20. That's a big range. Is it cheaper to replace the Harvester battery if goes? Logic tells me it should be because it's smaller? But maybe it will get more wear and tear because of a more demanding use/charging cycle.
Then, living in Maryland, our Gov. has decided that EV owners aren't paying gas tax so he created an extra EV/PHEV fee (he likes the word "fee" instead of "Tax"). I thought the left are supposed to incentivize EVs? I miss SC.
And last, do I lose my place in line switching my reservation?

Battery chemistries will not change for the V1 Scouts. Harvester will use LFP and BEV will use NMC. These are both commodity chemistries (read: cheapest) and are well understood. The rule of thumb is 5,000 change cycles before the battery loses 20% of its capacity. At 150 miles/charge on the Harvester, you're looking at 750,000 miles. That being said, there is a small amount of calendar degradation. That is minimized by not keeping the batteries at 100% or 0% State of Charge (SOC) for long periods. That being said, LFP is less sensitive to that than NMC. NMC has better performance (faster charging and discharging) but that less important in the Harvester as the pack is smaller. Note that every EV manufacturer quotes charging in X% to Y% in Z minutes. The Harvester pack is smaller so it doesn't need a high rate to have good numbers.

IMO, the BEV will outlast the Harvester - way fewer things to break. There is of course a chance that the battery pack fails for some reason. But that is as rare as completely destroying an engine. You pretty much to do something wrong to do that. In the BEV world, that is leaving the vehicle unplugged in extreme weather for long periods. The vehicle will run heat and cool the battery to keep it safe. If it's plugged in it will use "shore power" to do this and can sit indefinitely. If it's not plugged in it will have to use battery power to do this and eventually the battery can be run down so far the pack becomes what we called "bricked" and is unrecoverable (if Li-Ion cells drop below a certain voltage it is dangerous to recharge them so the vehicle will prevent charging.