EV reservation holders, would you consider the Harvester

[Mousehunter]

Oh the fond memories of JC Whitneys. I think we resleaved the engine in a neighbors carport and it ran fine afterwards.
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As for the EV question - I guess I have a little benefit over some. As much as I want a Scout NOW - I will not have a decent place to charge it for a year +. So waiting 2 years is not that much of a big deal, the wait is probably in my best interest.

 

[cyure]

A some of you know already, I have that lifetime warranty on my Wrangler. So I have the luxury of being able to wait for my Traveler.

 

[J Alynn]

Truth be told. I think if you are in a
“My car is failing” / desperate for a new car mode you can’t wait. Buy a cheap, used beater that will get you 3 years use and plan for the worst in getting your Scout but otherwise I think the majority here are in this for the long haul. Will be roughly 5 years I will have waited for the Scout. I’ve never planned a vehicle purchase for this long in my life.

 

[cyure]

Truth be told. I think if you are in a
“My car is failing” / desperate for a new car mode you can’t wait. Buy a cheap, used beater that will get you 3 years use and plan for the worst in getting your Scout but otherwise I think the majority here are in this for the long haul. Will be roughly 5 years I will have waited for the Scout. I’ve never planned a vehicle purchase for this long in my life.

Funny thinking about it I started looking for a car 2 years before I found the Scout. So same, by the time I will get my Scout it will have been 5 years planning for this purchase.

 

[LastDayScout]

Yes, I'm having this thought right now having bought my used Lightning a few months before Ford announced they are discontinuing it.

On the F150 Lightning forum, they said they will provide support/updates for 10 years. I love the Lightning and before the announcement I had considered keeping it, but now I will definitely get the Terra EV when it comes out. With an EV, it's a computer on wheels, so if they stop providing updates after 10 years, you could be left with security/functionality issues that could really impact driveability, data security, etc.

This begs the question will there be "aftermarket" updates in the future? By comparison, my old Jeep Comanche is fully in the realm of aftermarket support at this point. Jeep has long since stopped supporting that platform.

 

[jasdeep27b]

I’ve reserved the Traveler EV. I’m hesitant to switch to the harvester for a couple of reasons (all of which have probably been repeated previously)
1. The cost of the harvester. My guess* is the harvester system will be 5k-10k more than the EV version. I’m already expecting to be over the 60k starting point with options. I’m not sure if I want to add another 10K to it.
2. Harvester introduced some of the traditional maintenance and issues that traditional ICE vehicles come with. Have had a model Y for a few years and have had minimal issues with it
3. Performance of the harvester is 30% slower. 0-60 in 4.5 vs. the EV is 3.5.

 

[Mousehunter]

I'm fairly patient. Started looking about 15 years ago. First 2 options were stalling, so got a different commuter car while I was waiting (it needs work now, but it is still a great vehicle that is currently not really replaceable). Then a couple years latter I really wanted the Buzz to replace our Sienna, so got a short term replacement while I waited (which has already been replaced a second time before the Buzz actually came out). At the moment nothing really needs replacing - but perhaps I might cull the stable when the Scout actually shows up at my door. But I have 3 kids who are about to start driving, so they might do the culling for me.

 

[smc2023]

I was going to start a new thread but I found this one, which closely matches the topic I wanted to discuss. This might be lengthy but I figured you wouldn't mind. After reading the thread from beginning to end, several comment areas:
1- My timeline shows me that Scout debut date was 10/24/24. My reservation date was 10/29/24. After a few days of pondering, I reserved the EREV Terra (not really even being informed about what I was reserving). New to the EV world myself, but my son owns a Tesla Cybertruck and I agree with Mousehunters earlier comments, so I have some basic knowledge of EV world. After reading up and learning all I can, in mid 2025 I changed my reservation to BEV Terra, I want nothing to do with the range extender. I want to be done with maintenance
2- I see that about 5% of Tesla Cybertruck owners followed through with their reservation, 95% cancelled and the quoted reason was price. What would cause me to cancel my reservation? First off, it's BEV or nothing. Second - Obviously I don't want the astronomical price "error" that Tesla made, but more important to me is the truck's capability. They are seriously bragging about how capable this truck is going to be. If it's not what they said it was going to be, then I'm with Mousehunter, I'll see what else is being made in the BEV truck world at that time. The Chevy Silverado is nice, and capable but it's basically a pavement princess - meaning I wouldn't WANT to take it offroad. I'm not super in love with the Tesla shape but it is surprisingly capable for what it is. Hummer is just too darn expensive and congratulations on the shortest truck bed prize!?
3 - Not sure why the BEV owners have to wait longer than the EREV owners - I'm thinking the BEV vehicles are easier to make? Or are they already up against some unknown supply issue?
4- I'm curious, has there been any public breakdown of the reservations - 80% are EREV - BUT and this could be relevant - is 80% of the 80% EREV for the Traveler SUV which could just be an indication of how they intend to be used. People buying the Traveler perhaps planning on taking longer distance road trips and having range anxiety. Terra truck buyers not concerned about range anxiety as much because they are using it around the farm, around town, going to the hardware store, going hunting, shorter trips?
5-In closing - I intend fully to complete my Scout Terra transaction. I can wait, I don't NEED a Scout, I want the Scout. My current truck has 45K miles on it so I'm totally fine with waiting, I don't want to; but I have no choice and I can. If it can't do what they have been bragging it can do, and if it can't do at a minimum, exactly what I am doing with my current 1/2 ton truck, I would consider it a downgrade and I would cancel my reservation. I don't anticipate that Scout is lying about anything this Terra is going to be able to do. They have the foundation correct.

 

[cyure]

I was going to start a new thread but I found this one, which closely matches the topic I wanted to discuss. This might be lengthy but I figured you wouldn't mind. After reading the thread from beginning to end, several comment areas:
1- My timeline shows me that Scout debut date was 10/24/24. My reservation date was 10/29/24. After a few days of pondering, I reserved the EREV Terra (not really even being informed about what I was reserving). New to the EV world myself, but my son owns a Tesla Cybertruck and I agree with Mousehunters earlier comments, so I have some basic knowledge of EV world. After reading up and learning all I can, in mid 2025 I changed my reservation to BEV Terra, I want nothing to do with the range extender. I want to be done with maintenance
2- I see that about 5% of Tesla Cybertruck owners followed through with their reservation, 95% cancelled and the quoted reason was price. What would cause me to cancel my reservation? First off, it's BEV or nothing. Second - Obviously I don't want the astronomical price "error" that Tesla made, but more important to me is the truck's capability. They are seriously bragging about how capable this truck is going to be. If it's not what they said it was going to be, then I'm with Mousehunter, I'll see what else is being made in the BEV truck world at that time. The Chevy Silverado is nice but it's basically a pavement princess. I'm not super in love with the Tesla shape but it is surprisingly capable for what it is. Hummer is just too darn expensive and congratulations on the shortest truck bed prize!?
3 - Not sure why the BEV owners have to wait longer than the EREV owners - I'm thinking the BEV vehicles are easier to make? Or are they already up against some unknown supply issue?
4- I'm curious, has there been any public breakdown of the reservations - 80% are EREV - BUT and this could be relevant - is 80% of the 80% EREV for the Traveler SUV which could just be an indication of how they intend to be used. People buying the Traveler perhaps planning on taking longer distance road trips and having range anxiety. Terra truck buyers not concerned about range anxiety as much because they are using it around the farm, around town, going to the hardware store, going hunting, shorter trips?
5-In closing - I intend fully to complete my Scout Terra transaction. I can wait, I don't NEED a Scout, I want the Scout. My current truck has 45K miles on it so I'm totally fine with waiting, I don't want to; but I have no choice and I can. If it can't do what they have been bragging it can do, and if it can't do at a minimum, exactly what I am doing with my current 1/2 ton truck, I would consider it a downgrade and I would cancel my reservation. I don't anticipate that Scout is lying about anything this Terra is going to be able to do. They have the foundation correct.

Thank you for your thought out post.

It’s a lot right now. We don’t know what we don't know and frankly it’s driving everyone nuts.

All I can say right now is what my husband told me. It’s simple but it made me feel better in a way. When I get down about it’s going to take a long time and what if EREV goes first and I want the BEV and what if, if, if, if. He always goes back to Scouts will be available to order. When they have what you want, don’t wait just put in your order and pull the trigger so to speak and it will get delivered just as soon as SM can because in reality BEV/EREV Traveler or Terra SMs goal is to get a quality product delivered and on the road just as soon as they possibly can.

So I continue with faith and patience and distract myself with talking about things. Like for instance my preferred color.

Anyone up for a conversation about how PBY is the best color and why???

One last cyure quote “I hope everyone gets what they want!”

 

[R1TVT]

Scout is not my company, so this is purely my opinion. I will try to be unbiased, and I feel like I can be since I have 55K miles on my '22 R1T with a lot of life left to go, so I won't mind if the Terra comes after the Traveller and if BEV is after EREV. All of that said, I don't think BEV's will be delayed. Why?

Pure BEV trucks require fewer parts, fewer suppliers, and provide simpler (and known) construction processes on the Assembly Line - theoretically with shorter build times. They also require less SW integration and functionality, much of which can be immediately gained through the Rivian JV.

So, in THEORY, the BEV should be ready to roll sooner, BUT that is not what the market demands, and that might not be where Scout chooses to deploy resources and allocate costly NRE $$$. They are a business. They have more EREV reservations. They may want to start that flywheel spinning sooner to convert a larger percentage reservations without worrying about reservation holders dropping out of a smaller base.

Getting back to "if it were my company"... I would likely launch the BEV FIRST. I would not give up marketshare to competitors by delaying a potentially later launch for EREV. I would test and learn with the BEV truck. I would highlight its incredible tech specs and capability on and off-road. I would CRAWL WALK RUN into the deployment of the Harvester...

And, in the process I would be skating to where the puck is going AND likely convert a large number of Harvester reservations to PURE BEV reservations. The US is lagging the world - All you need to do is leave the country on a vacation to see what is on the road. The BEV Scout is the future, and it is coming fast, even if it may not look like it right now, at this specific point in time.

 

[cyure]

Scout is not my company, so this is purely my opinion. I will try to be unbiased, and I feel like I can be since I have 55K miles on my '22 R1T with a lot of life left to go, so I won't mind if the Terra comes after the Traveller and if BEV is after EREV. All of that said, I don't think BEV's will be delayed. Why?

Pure BEV trucks require fewer parts, fewer suppliers, and provide simpler (and known) construction processes on the Assembly Line - theoretically with shorter build times. They also require less SW integration and functionality, much of which can be immediately gained through the Rivian JV.

So, in THEORY, the BEV should be ready to roll sooner, BUT that is not what the market demands, and that might not be where Scout chooses to deploy resources and allocate costly NRE $$$. They are a business. They have more EREV reservations. They may want to start that flywheel spinning sooner to convert a larger percentage reservations without worrying about reservation holders dropping out of a smaller base.

Getting back to "if it were my company"... I would likely launch the BEV FIRST. I would not give up marketshare to competitors by delaying a potentially later launch for EREV. I would test and learn with the BEV truck. I would highlight its incredible tech specs and capability on and off-road. I would CRAWL WALK RUN into the deployment of the Harvester...

And, in the process I would be skating to where the puck is going AND likely convert a large number of Harvester reservations to PURE BEV reservations. The US is lagging the world - All you need to do is leave the country on a vacation to see what is on the road. The BEV Scout is the future, and it is coming fast, even if it may not look like it right now, at this specific point in time.

Excellent points. Thanks for your insights.

An experience I had when test driving the R1S has got me thinking. When I went to test drive it you could make a reservation for an R2. They said if I wanted an R2 sooner I could lease an R1 as current Rivian owners would get priority.

If the BEVS do come first what if they did something similar. Buy or lease a BEV and get moved up the list for the EREV or maybe for those who are unsure about a BEV but want to try it offer a guaranteed buyback amount if you go with the BEV and then decide you really do want the EREV.

I know we are all clamoring to get our Scouts first, so kudos to SM for making something that we all really really really want so much so that it brings up a lot of emotions when it might take just a little bit longer. I’m in it for the long haul. I’m going to keep using the lifetime warranty on that Jeep so she is going to be just fine till my Traveler arrives. Just taking a deep breath and faith and patience.

 

[R1TVT]

Excellent points. Thanks for your insights.

An experience I had when test driving the R1S has got me thinking. When I went to test drive it you could make a reservation for an R2. They said if I wanted an R2 sooner I could lease an R1 as current Rivian owners would get priority.

If the BEVS do come first what if they did something similar. Buy or lease a BEV and get moved up the list for the EREV or maybe for those who are unsure about a BEV but want to try it offer a guaranteed buyback amount if you go with the BEV and then decide you really do want the EREV.

I know we are all clamoring to get our Scouts first, so kudos to SM for making something that we all really really really want so much so that it brings up a lot of emotions when it might take just a little bit longer. I’m in it for the long haul. I’m going to keep using the lifetime warranty on that Jeep so she is going to be just fine till my Traveler arrives. Just taking a deep breath and faith and patience.

Scout would be smart to offer leases and get trucks out on the road for sure... The secondary market will be STRONG

 

[J Alynn]

I was going to start a new thread but I found this one, which closely matches the topic I wanted to discuss. This might be lengthy but I figured you wouldn't mind. After reading the thread from beginning to end, several comment areas:
1- My timeline shows me that Scout debut date was 10/24/24. My reservation date was 10/29/24. After a few days of pondering, I reserved the EREV Terra (not really even being informed about what I was reserving). New to the EV world myself, but my son owns a Tesla Cybertruck and I agree with Mousehunters earlier comments, so I have some basic knowledge of EV world. After reading up and learning all I can, in mid 2025 I changed my reservation to BEV Terra, I want nothing to do with the range extender. I want to be done with maintenance
2- I see that about 5% of Tesla Cybertruck owners followed through with their reservation, 95% cancelled and the quoted reason was price. What would cause me to cancel my reservation? First off, it's BEV or nothing. Second - Obviously I don't want the astronomical price "error" that Tesla made, but more important to me is the truck's capability. They are seriously bragging about how capable this truck is going to be. If it's not what they said it was going to be, then I'm with Mousehunter, I'll see what else is being made in the BEV truck world at that time. The Chevy Silverado is nice, and capable but it's basically a pavement princess - meaning I wouldn't WANT to take it offroad. I'm not super in love with the Tesla shape but it is surprisingly capable for what it is. Hummer is just too darn expensive and congratulations on the shortest truck bed prize!?
3 - Not sure why the BEV owners have to wait longer than the EREV owners - I'm thinking the BEV vehicles are easier to make? Or are they already up against some unknown supply issue?
4- I'm curious, has there been any public breakdown of the reservations - 80% are EREV - BUT and this could be relevant - is 80% of the 80% EREV for the Traveler SUV which could just be an indication of how they intend to be used. People buying the Traveler perhaps planning on taking longer distance road trips and having range anxiety. Terra truck buyers not concerned about range anxiety as much because they are using it around the farm, around town, going to the hardware store, going hunting, shorter trips?
5-In closing - I intend fully to complete my Scout Terra transaction. I can wait, I don't NEED a Scout, I want the Scout. My current truck has 45K miles on it so I'm totally fine with waiting, I don't want to; but I have no choice and I can. If it can't do what they have been bragging it can do, and if it can't do at a minimum, exactly what I am doing with my current 1/2 ton truck, I would consider it a downgrade and I would cancel my reservation. I don't anticipate that Scout is lying about anything this Terra is going to be able to do. They have the foundation correct.

Well stated and I think there are quite a few people on the forum feeling the same way. Like you-I want a Scout, I don’t need one and after 35 years I’d like one sooner than later but to suddenly focus on EREV -if they are, they risk losing a lot of BEV buyers to Rivian, especially with the R2 launching

 

[J Alynn]

Scout is not my company, so this is purely my opinion. I will try to be unbiased, and I feel like I can be since I have 55K miles on my '22 R1T with a lot of life left to go, so I won't mind if the Terra comes after the Traveller and if BEV is after EREV. All of that said, I don't think BEV's will be delayed. Why?

Pure BEV trucks require fewer parts, fewer suppliers, and provide simpler (and known) construction processes on the Assembly Line - theoretically with shorter build times. They also require less SW integration and functionality, much of which can be immediately gained through the Rivian JV.

So, in THEORY, the BEV should be ready to roll sooner, BUT that is not what the market demands, and that might not be where Scout chooses to deploy resources and allocate costly NRE $$$. They are a business. They have more EREV reservations. They may want to start that flywheel spinning sooner to convert a larger percentage reservations without worrying about reservation holders dropping out of a smaller base.

Getting back to "if it were my company"... I would likely launch the BEV FIRST. I would not give up marketshare to competitors by delaying a potentially later launch for EREV. I would test and learn with the BEV truck. I would highlight its incredible tech specs and capability on and off-road. I would CRAWL WALK RUN into the deployment of the Harvester...

And, in the process I would be skating to where the puck is going AND likely convert a large number of Harvester reservations to PURE BEV reservations. The US is lagging the world - All you need to do is leave the country on a vacation to see what is on the road. The BEV Scout is the future, and it is coming fast, even if it may not look like it right now, at this specific point in time.

Very well communicated sir!

 

[smc2023]

Setting sticker shock aside for a moment - based on pure capability of the projected Scout Terra, what is the closest thing currently available - assuming the Scout Terra is named King of the BEV with "Real Truck" Credentials - my preliminary research and some interesting back and forth arguments with AI Chatbots - 2026 Silverado EV• Trail Boss - Max Range 4WD (Apparently the Trail Boss package is a pretty formidable work truck with some off road capabilities) R1TVT - Your analysis I think was SPOT on. I agree they are gonna try and get the flywheel of commerce spinning as quickly as possible. Survey says 95% of Tesla Cybertruck canceled because of unexpected price increases, what percentage of them got tired of waiting and said close enough, I'll pick this brand instead? It's hell waiting, but at least we're all excited together. Goodnight all!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The used Lightning is tricky because there is no federal law in the U.S. that mandates vehicle manufacturers to provide replacement parts for a specific period after a vehicle model is discontinued. Only obligation is to cover original warranty.

And recalls for 16 years from the original purchase date, regardless of if the vehicle was discontinued.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

If Scout cancels the BEV Traveler, we would likely be out.
If they delay it, it’ll entirely depend on timing and our savings account, but it could make it more likely that we would buy a Scout. I don’t particularly have much worry about a delay since I have already been expecting a 6-18 month production delay. I expect the first Scouts to be delivered in mid 2028. And I expect production to have ramped up enough that late reservation holders can purchase their vehicles in early 2029.

I don’t have much interest in the Terra at this time. I have a Lightning, and besides a bit of extra range (<10% more), there’s not much that makes the Terra attractive enough to trade. There are things about the Terra that make it less interesting to me: The charge port in the rear makes it less capable as a tow vehicle. The so-far-too-fancy interior makes it less capable as a work truck to me. The NACS port makes it a bit of a pain to charge at home—I’d have to buy yet another adapter. It’s difficult to tell how big the frunk is, but our Lightning’s frunk is full of travel gear, emergency kits, and other items. I’m not sure we would be willing to get a smaller frunk.

I won’t go back to an ICEV of any kind, hybrid, EREV, or whatever. There’s no future there.

 

[dreamweaver]

And recalls for 16 years from the original purchase date, regardless of if the vehicle was discontinued.

Yes. I forgot to mention this in my original reply. Thanks for completing the post.

 

[LastDayScout]

Scout is not my company, so this is purely my opinion. I will try to be unbiased, and I feel like I can be since I have 55K miles on my '22 R1T with a lot of life left to go, so I won't mind if the Terra comes after the Traveller and if BEV is after EREV. All of that said, I don't think BEV's will be delayed. Why?

Pure BEV trucks require fewer parts, fewer suppliers, and provide simpler (and known) construction processes on the Assembly Line - theoretically with shorter build times. They also require less SW integration and functionality, much of which can be immediately gained through the Rivian JV.

So, in THEORY, the BEV should be ready to roll sooner, BUT that is not what the market demands, and that might not be where Scout chooses to deploy resources and allocate costly NRE $$$. They are a business. They have more EREV reservations. They may want to start that flywheel spinning sooner to convert a larger percentage reservations without worrying about reservation holders dropping out of a smaller base.

Getting back to "if it were my company"... I would likely launch the BEV FIRST. I would not give up marketshare to competitors by delaying a potentially later launch for EREV. I would test and learn with the BEV truck. I would highlight its incredible tech specs and capability on and off-road. I would CRAWL WALK RUN into the deployment of the Harvester...

And, in the process I would be skating to where the puck is going AND likely convert a large number of Harvester reservations to PURE BEV reservations. The US is lagging the world - All you need to do is leave the country on a vacation to see what is on the road. The BEV Scout is the future, and it is coming fast, even if it may not look like it right now, at this specific point in time.

Great perspective. You're absolutely right about the rest of the world. In Europe you see way more EVs. You also see electric commercial vehicles, garbage trucks, street sweepers, construction equipment, buses, etc. To add to your excellent point... EV is tried and true technology at this point. EREV is still very recent, emerging technology.

 

[cyure]

Great perspective. You're absolutely right about the rest of the world. In Europe you see way more EVs. You also see electric commercial vehicles, garbage trucks, street sweepers, construction equipment, buses, etc. To add to your excellent point... EV is tried and true technology at this point. EREV is still very recent, emerging technology.

Oh I hadn’t thought about it that way! That’s totally true. Are there any EREVs currently on the market today?