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[J Alynn]

Its worth noting, that in China, Megawatt or higher charging is not just restricted to commercial vehicles. There are already over 5,000stations, with plans to hit 20,000 stations before EOY.

The plan is also to have it begin rolling out in Europe this year.

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I know that the US is different. Just calling out that we may see residential 1MW charging in the US in the future But even then, the standard has been to call any DCFC "Level 3", so it would likely still be called an L3 charger, despite being 20x faster than some slower DCFC stations.

Can’t imagine that fight. I’m not a huge fan of AI data centers either but all these types of projects turn the no-growth residents into vigilante like hawks just waiting to show up to a zoning board hearing to argue against growth. That’s where China and Europe beat us as we are still a relatively new country with a lot less years of realizing what smart growth should be

 

[jeremydunworth]

[snip]

As you note, there's a lot of ai nonsense out there. The ai slop will trip up and confuse anyone who isn't serious about reading the actual standards or engaging with good faith intentions to learn in conversations with people who know what they're talking about. Generative ai cannot keep up with changing standards simply because those updates are around the interwebs for less time, are therefore discussed less often than the older standards, and thus are less likely to show up in the training corpus of the ai's LLM. The ai results are worse than useless because they’re simply a statistical slot machine spitting out a string of high-occurrance tokens rather than sensible, reliable knowledge.

Are you in California and available to talk some sense in to some CEOs?
I know it is a hopeless task...

Anyway, excellent concise explanation of the LLM problem in widely discussed and generally poorly understood topics.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Are you in California and available to talk some sense in to some CEOs?
I know it is a hopeless task...

Anyway, excellent concise explanation of the LLM problem in widely discussed and generally poorly understood topics.

I’m only a drive away…

But I agree and feel like it is a pretty hopeless task. Even the study that showed 95% of companies implementing ai have lost more money than they spent on the ai (i.e., they became less productive) didn’t help. It seems we just have to wait for the bubble to pop and maybe help the popping along where we can.

 

[R1TVT]

The AI space is so new - its exploding faster than any bubble I have ever seen, but its not all hype. My perspective is that there is good AI and bad AI (or, perhaps a better way to think about it is in terms of good and bad "AI results".

Part of the AI "slop" problem rests directly upon the shoulders un-trained humans using free tools with ill-defined and loose prompts (and no discernment or refinement of outputs). Its classic Garbage in / garbage out, and lots of humanoids clearly just believe what the read as a 1st output.

The opposite is true though. Using an AI tool like Claude and providing the tool with a very detailed and well thought out prompts, that also clearly define a problem statement, an outcome and an objective, while also providing direction, context, access to relevant data & files. Of course in a corp setting this requires more than just investment $$$ for the tool. You need a program, you need training, you need a policy. People's roles are shifting overnight to support deep AI engagement in many sectors because it adds competitive advantage and multiples of efficiency for a business. Companies are churning out new products and features in lightspeed, and if you are in a competitive space, well, do you have a choice? Its basically innovate or die in some industry settings.

 

[strider]

I'm running an 80-gallon heat pump water heater, and it works very well. In the winter, it's still close on capacity since the water coming in from outside is so cold. I'm considering adding a traditional electric water heater as a tempering tank, but hooking an auxiliary inverter output to one or both of the elements. Selling to the grid doesn't make sense where we are, so once batteries are charged, excess solar could be used to heat that pre-tank.

I am doing the same with 2 teenagers in the house. In the Summer it works fine in Heat Pump Only mode. In the winter I have to put it on High Demand Mode (uses both the heat pump and resistive electric) because the recovery time is too slow (garage is colder so less heat to move) since everyone likes to shower at the same time. I hadn't thought about the incoming water being colder. We do have a pre-tank as part of our geothermal system. In the summer it will dump excess heat from cooling the house into this pretank so the water heater doesn't have to work as hard.

 

[J Alynn]

I am doing the same with 2 teenagers in the house. In the Summer it works fine in Heat Pump Only mode. In the winter I have to put it on High Demand Mode (uses both the heat pump and resistive electric) because the recovery time is too slow (garage is colder so less heat to move) since everyone likes to shower at the same time. I hadn't thought about the incoming water being colder. We do have a pre-tank as part of our geothermal system. In the summer it will dump excess heat from cooling the house into this pretank so the water heater doesn't have to work as hard.

I grew up with geothermal and it was great.

 

[jeremydunworth]

The AI space is so new - its exploding faster than any bubble I have ever seen, but its not all hype. My perspective is that there is good AI and bad AI (or, perhaps a better way to think about it is in terms of good and bad "AI results".

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Much of what you write is valid and one thing I try to do is refer to the specific math or signal processing being used since "AI" is almost meaningless now. So my comment above was specific to LLMs. And I too have had experiences where LLMs perform a task well, for example searching for a figure that was copied and recolored without attribution, an LLM chatbot found a pirate copy of the original, where google image search was useless. Likewise, I've used an LLM speed up writing matlab code, my guess is 4x. But then I write matlab code about a few times a year.

Some of the generative AI videos are shockingly relevant, especially some made to mimic Lego movies. Others are just absolute garbage. So a lot does depend on the human user or editor.

And to bring it back to features in EVs, in my Ioniq 5 I tried the voice activated navigation right when I got the car, which I think was actually Android Auto, and it was aweful. I spoke my home address, and instead of finding it, the voice assistant started going through a list of other places I could have meant since the apparently spanish words pronounced in American English caused it to not find my address on the map. So, yeah, I hope if Scout includes AI in the UI (as someone I know has said "AI is the new UI"), they a do a better job than Android.

 

[bwdavis7]

Thanks for the explanation. My Ioniq 5 charge port is on the passenger rear corner so potentially an issue too. It would certainly be more convenient almost any other corner in my opinion. Not sure if there was a reason Hyundai positioned it there. Maybe I'll try T-brand just to be aware.

I needed to experience this to demonstrate what @SpaceEVDriver stated previously. I totally get it now. I had to span 2 spaces because of the short cable. It did work however.

 

[cyure]

I needed to experience this to demonstrate what @SpaceEVDriver stated previously. I totally get it now. I had to span 2 spaces because of the short cable. It did work however.View attachment 15064

Wait, did you take your EV on a road trip to the factory?

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I needed to experience this to demonstrate what @SpaceEVDriver stated previously. I totally get it now. I had to span 2 spaces because of the short cable. It did work however.View attachment 15064

Now imagine that your app tells you there are 5/12 spots free. You trust that you can use that station because it’s almost 50% unused, so you navigate there. You arrive and there’s a Tesla parked in every other spot (plus one part where there are three cars abreast). Even though the station is under-committed, it’s useless to you at the moment because you can’t make use of the plugs. And given this station’s location, you have no option but to backtrack or wait. You could have stopped at an earlier station, but the app said this one was under-utilized.

Thus why I will only use these stations if I have no other choice or if they’re one of the much larger (40+ plugs) stations that’s well under 50% capacity.

 

[jeremydunworth]

I needed to experience this to demonstrate what @SpaceEVDriver stated previously. I totally get it now. I had to span 2 spaces because of the short cable. It did work however.View attachment 15064

Is this an XRT? I was told they were very hard to get, so congrats. I had to "settle" for a different AWD model. I'm happy with it.

The red car is my neighbors. We were parked next to each other and I took the photo to quiz people which car is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile . The C8 wins, but barely, mine is definitely faster per dollar spent.

edit to add: I have not done a road trip yet. The info about T-chargers is super useful. I would have avoided them anyway, but now I have a practical reason to do so.

 

[bwdavis7]

Is this an XRT? I was told they were very hard to get, so congrats. I had to "settle" for a different AWD model. I'm happy with it.

View attachment 15068

The red car is my neighbors. We were parked next to each other and I took the photo to quiz people which car is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile . The C8 wins, but barely, mine is definitely faster per dollar spent.

edit to add: I have not done a road trip yet. The info about T-chargers is super useful. I would have avoided them anyway, but now I have a practical reason to do so.

Yes, mine is the 2026 XRT. I removed the Thule Crossbars on top to see if I noticed any significant improvement in range and also to determine if it was quieter. I couldn't tell a significant range loss, but there was likely some. I do think it was a lot quieter though. Maybe something to consider with the Scout. The Ioniq 5 Limited and XRT models were priced about the same. I gained about of inch of clearance, but there were a lot of features that were really nice on the Limited plus more range without dual motor (XRT trim requires dual motor). The 2 XRTs locally had been on the lot for over 190 days, giving some significant bargaining power, but EVs not really a hot item around here other than the Teslas and occasional Rivian. I think the black XRT that was priced the same as mine is still on the lot.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Going to be a dry, windy, dangerous few days...

Glad we have solar, home battery, and the Lightning to keep the power on. Charging to 100% just in case.

Outage Warning: High winds & fire conditions are in the forecast. For safety, we may shut off power on Wed, 4/22/26 for [your home]. Power may be out for an extended amount of time.

 

[maynard]

Going to be a dry, windy, dangerous few days...

Glad we have solar, home battery, and the Lightning to keep the power on. Charging to 100% just in case.

Stay safe up on your mountain…

 

[bwdavis7]

Wait, did you take your EV on a road trip to the factory?

Yes...I did. It wasn't very far, about 150 miles. One of my sons lives in Lexington, SC just west of Columbia so I had done that trip once before.

 

[bwdavis7]

Now imagine that your app tells you there are 5/12 spots free. You trust that you can use that station because it’s almost 50% unused, so you navigate there. You arrive and there’s a Tesla parked in every other spot (plus one part where there are three cars abreast). Even though the station is under-committed, it’s useless to you at the moment because you can’t make use of the plugs. And given this station’s location, you have no option but to backtrack or wait. You could have stopped at an earlier station, but the app said this one was under-utilized.

Thus why I will only use these stations if I have no other choice or if they’re one of the much larger (40+ plugs) stations that’s well under 50% capacity.

Exactly. I used an Electrify America station on the previous trip. It only had 4 spots and I got the last one, but 2 more freed up rather quickly (much quicker than the Costco gas lines for sure). The charge rate was 177 kw (CCS adapter) vs the Tesla station rate 127 kw (slower, no adapter). The cost was $0.56/kw at EA and $0.50/kw at Tesla.

 

[bwdavis7]

Has anyone ever rented an RV campsite, just for the sake of charging? Meaning no charging stations in the area. It would seem there could be some opportunities to emergency charge at some pretty remote spots.

 

[jeremydunworth]

Has anyone ever rented an RV campsite, just for the sake of charging? Meaning no charging stations in the area. It would seem there could be some opportunities to emergency charge at some pretty remote spots.

Interesting idea. I have reserved RV campsites because that was all that was left in the area for car camping and I wanted a campsite with access to showers. I also know of businesses like gyms that you can pay a small day use fee and they understand full well you are paying to use their showers, because after a few days backpacking or in the desert with only the water you can carry with you, sometimes you just need that.

This seems sort of similar, like if there is an RV campground that offers the only electric hookups in the area, eventually they will install dedicated charging spots and provide something to entertain you while you charge like scenic views, horseshoes or shuffleboard.

 

[maynard]

Has anyone ever rented an RV campsite, just for the sake of charging? Meaning no charging stations in the area. It would seem there could be some opportunities to emergency charge at some pretty remote spots.

I remember reading about someone doing that - I think it was on this forum

 

[cyure]

I remember reading about someone doing that - I think it was on this forum

I can’t believe @SpaceEVDriver hasnt done that. ABC - always be charging!