What feature(s) do you hope that Scout does NOT include?

[cyure]

I like the interaction as @THil08 noted. SM has made a huge deal about touchable features and not all tech. It’s a 1/2 second to push start button and it engages my senses. I’m actually for keeping the button.

I love the buttons! Don’t take away my buttons. That’s what drew me to the Grenadier. That and that I love old Land Rovers. I just couldn’t get past the price tag and 14 miles to the gallon. That’s what I have now. I’m not trying to stay in the past on everything.

 

[cyure]

My last vehicle, not current one came with an electric air pump that you could use when needed to top off the tires. If you had a flat you turned a dial on the pump and it dispense that fix-a-flat tire sealant and pumped the tire up to whatever you had dialed in. Never used the sealant but the pump was very handy. They made a foam carrier that went under the deck in the back where the spare tire would have been to store the pump. The first car I have ever had that did not have a spare.

That would be handy.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

If you get the standard 33's a full size 33 fits under the vehicle. 35's different story.

Ok, I have to admit to a lot of ignorance on this subject, so this is an honest question, is there really that big a difference between 33s and 35s?

 

[THil08]

Ok, I have to admit to a lot of ignorance on this subject, so this is an honest question, is there really that big a difference between 33s and 35s?

Short answer 2 more inches of ground clearance or so they say. But really no, beside more tread on the tire.

 

[J Alynn]

BMW stopped giving spares, you have to request them when buying. I always recommend to people getting cars serviced that ask for them to buy an expanding spare to save space. And to always have it just in case. But it’s cheaper than buying from the dealership. Even though all BMWs are equipped with run flats usually Pirelli.

Always liked that about my bimmer

 

[cyure]

Ok, I have to admit to a lot of ignorance on this subject, so this is an honest question, is there really that big a difference between 33s and 35s?

I am not sure which I want. I went and test drove a Bronco Badlands. So the 33s. And then I test drove a Bronco Raptor. Those come with 35s. It’s not perfect but it gave me an idea. 35s are a big heavy tire.

I went with 33s on my Jeep because not only would I have to lift my Wrangler but I would have to reinforce the gate in the back because the tire is so heavy it would eventually damage the gate. Now the beauty of the Scout is they will come with the 35s. I would assume no need for us to lift or reinforce the gate because it will come stock from the factory.

I’m sure there is someone more technical that can get into specifics. I go for looks and I like the look when you don’t see a lot of space between the top of the tire and the fender. So I am still torn.

Anyone else have any other ideas how to make this decision? I seem to change my mind daily. That and to bench seat or not to bench seat. Those are my questions.

 

[THil08]

Always liked that about my bimmer

Only thing that sucks is spending Close to 2 grand on tires lol. Since Pirellis are like the Hermes of tires.

 

[cyure]

Always liked that about my bimmer

We have this issue in the Supra. Nowhere to put a spare. The rear is a 275 tire so too wide to be a run flat. They can’t stretch a run flat that wide apparently. So we are stuck with fix a flat and auto club. Ha!

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Short answer 2 more inches of ground clearance or so they say. But really no, beside more tread on the tire.

Wouldn’t it be just 1 inch of clearance? Ie radius = diameter/2?

 

[cyure]

Wouldn’t it be just 1 inch of clearance? Ie radius = diameter/2?

We have to do math?!?

 

[J Alynn]

I am not sure which I want. I went and test drove a Bronco Badlands. So the 33s. And then I test drove a Bronco Raptor. Those come with 35s. It’s not perfect but it gave me an idea. 35s are a big heavy tire.

I went with 33s on my Jeep because not only would I have to lift my Wrangler but I would have to reinforce the gate in the back because the tire is so heavy it would eventually damage the gate. Now the beauty of the Scout is they will come with the 35s. I would assume no need for us to lift or reinforce the gate because it will come stock from the factory.

I’m sure there is someone more technical that can get into specifics. I go for looks and I like the look when you don’t see a lot of space between the top of the tire and the fender. So I am still torn.

Anyone else have any other ideas how to make this decision? I seem to change my mind daily. That and to bench seat or not to bench seat. Those are my questions.

In person at the reveal the 35’s they had on them just felt “right”. The vehicles will handle 35’s from the factory without lifts. I’m sure 33’s are just fine but in person I just fell in love with the reveal spacing, the height and the proportions. That’s how I’m deciding. Unless of course they mess up the rim designs at launch time then who knows. Now I’ll have anxiety until all this is shown to the public as sales/production ready

 

[THil08]

Wouldn’t it be just 1 inch of clearance? Ie radius = diameter/2?

Yeah lol I’m dumb lol. I forgot about. That’s why I work on cars and I’m not building them lol.

 

[cyure]

In person at the reveal the 35’s they had on them just felt “right”. The vehicles will handle 35’s from the factory without lifts. I’m sure 33’s are just fine but in person I just fell in love with the reveal spacing, the height and the proportions. That’s how I’m deciding. Unless of course they mess up the rim designs at launch time then who knows. Now I’ll have anxiety until all this is shown to the public as sales/production ready

Come on matte bronze rims! But I love yellow and I have no idea how that would look with bronze rims. So many decisions.

 

[J Alynn]

Come on matte bronze rims! But I love yellow and I have no idea how that would look with bronze rims. So many decisions.

I hear ya. Loved those bronze rims but imagine with yellow not so hot. Maybe yellow won’t be in my future ?

 

[cyure]

I hear ya. Loved those bronze rims but imagine with yellow not so hot. Maybe yellow won’t be in my future ?

I really want yellow. We wanted a yellow Xterra back in the day, ended up with black. Yellow Jeep, ended up with black. Yellow Supra, ended up with silver. I want a yellow car gosh darn it. If they have yellow, yellow it is.

And oh I wonder if the recovery hooks will have color options?

 

[olallafur]

Start/stop button, certainly not needed on the full EV version (don't know if it's really needed for the Harvester or not). Should just turn on when the door opens and be ready to drive when brake pedal is depressed and put in drive.

The problem with that is if you need to get something out of the car, then you have to shut it off each time instead of just closing the door.

 

[olallafur]

Yup. If you don’t have an on/off button, it just means you’re leaving the decision up to an algorithm. I prefer to have some say in the matter. If I want to sit in the car with the power off, or leave the power on when I get out of the car, that’s for me to decide. there have been issues with other cars, like Id.4, where the climate control/audio shuts off if the driver steps out of the car, because their algorithm didn’t take into account that there may be other people in the car.

or if you want to listen to the music while outside of the vehicle...

 

[olallafur]

'Sport decals'. They can peal off very easily, so have zero desire to have to spend money on. Had a salesman try to convince me to buy a vehicle with. I mentioned that you could peal them just by rubbing a thumb on. He did, and it did and started pealing it until after pulling it six inches loose it occurred to him that maybe he shouldn't have done that to a new car, and it wouldn't restick to the car.

 

[olallafur]

A backup camera that has lines that don't curve with turning the steering wheel. My truck backup lines turn and its great. The car doesn't and it's much harder to determine where the car will go. If they don't turn, why have them?

 

[R1TVT]

Start / Stop Button: Totally unnecessary in an EV truck and would serve no-purpose but to "fake" a start. Certainly you can use FOBS and cards and phones, watches and wristbands as "keys", but as soon as you have made a handshake with the vehicle using any of these, the truck is "ON". When you place your foot on the brake to shift to drive, it will chime, sensors will know you are in the vehicle, and the SW is already engaged at that point anyway. You just hop in and GO! One other aspect of proximity and sensing for vehicle access that I think Scout is considering is sensitivity based on proximity, and the considerations for when the truck will awaken or when the doors will open when a fob is in range (for example). It can't be too far, and it can't be too close so you need to wait for a door to unlock

33 vs 35 Tires: The biggest drawback to up-sizing in this truck will be a range & efficiency hit. 35's are BIG and HEAVY and require a lot of energy to spin-up. Multiply that by 4. They will also change the height of the vehicle adding more drag (not just tire drag), b/c the sheer size of the tire adds more drag. That said, I agree that a big truck needs a tire that proportionally fits well (and performs). Tire and wheel choices (with the requisite range estimates) can be a decision for the owner.

Buttons: I have really come to appreciate the simplicity and functionality of the infotainment screen in the Rivian. Not so much in other vehicles. Maybe it is b/c the Rivian was built from the ground up and had excellent SW engineers. Good news, Scout will leverage this. The interface is stunning and the usability is excellent. They also left buttons on the steering wheel and a real stalk for wipers, etc. Scout has taken the tactile functions one step further with the toggle switches on the dash and overhead, but they have not over-baked the buttons. I think it is a perfect blend of old and new, and should make everyone happy. Cleaning a ton of buttons (I'm thinking Audi now) is also a huge PIA.

Aero Bumper: I hope we see a decent bumper that we can stand on. I hate that the R1T bumper is so well-integrated and aero that it is essentially unusable. At least we should have a corner step so we can stand up and access the bed or accessories on racks.

Buried Hitch: While I'm thinking about bumpers, one of my only other complaints is with the trailer hitch being recessed a bit too deep on my R1T. I have added a hitch extender to get my MTB's to sit a little further back (for example), but if you are doing any serious towing, you don;t want a hitch extender. Having a hitch that allows for more room at the rear end is also better for turning and for catching a trailer ball. I know the Scout will be better in this regard.

Noises: Make every possible noise that can be configurable, configurable. Rivian did a good job with this (or at least mitigating unnecessary noises) but other vehicles are whacky and ding, chime, squawk and roar for no good reason. I understand the low-speed requirement and that is OK (that is not what I am talking about).

Unshielded Lighting: This also relates to the bumpers, but one thing I would be considering with a new truck design is how well lights are protected. If it is snowing and you need to jam your truck into a snowbank on a narrow road, you don;t want to worry about cracking the lens on an indicator light that is flush with your bumper (for example). For any exterior lighting, careful placement is a consideration, along with durability or protection with a bezel, where needed. If you are using your truck as a truck, you might be slinging heavy stuff into the back or throwing firewood into the bed or doing any number of things. I'm sure Scout is considering this already.

Easy Spare Retrieval: This isn't something that I will complain about with the R1T. The engineering that went into hiding a full-sized spare under the bed was genius and protects the spare from salt, mud, grime and rocks. It can be a little difficult to pull a heavy full sized spare out of the bed, but hopefully Scout finds a way to make spare removal easy and the spare isn't a rock slider or mud catcher.