Want a Scout. Don't want the Drama!

[tanktheram]

I think the Scout is going to be a flop. It has a group of forums to decide features and the future, it has a direct to consumer model, and it is entering into an EV market that is in decline - it spells disaster.



Make the Scout available at all VW/Audi dealers - maybe even International dealer. All these dealers are all ready geared up for High Voltage Energy vehicles.



Provide an all-gasoline version of the Scout to compete with Bronco, Wrangler/Gladiator, Tacoma, etc. VW/Audi already has excellent gasoline powertrains that would drop in place.



Decide on 3 trim levels, good better best. Give it three powertrain options; EV, Hybrid and Gas. Make it available it at VW/Audi/International Dealers. Enough with the Forum back and forth stuff.



The best selling truck in North America is the F150. The best selling EV truck? The F150. Hybrid Truck - well F150 is also up there. Why? Its available to anyone at any Ford Dealer and servicing is a breeze.



I am rooted in the International Brand, and Scout is historically a no-nonsense vehicle that got the job done. I want one, but am not sure I want the nonsense associated with the brand so far.

 

[J Alynn]

The home charging argument is a nice win for any conversation at face value. My Egolf is appx $28/mo to charge from home.. weee flowers and rainbows!!! Like the iX and Bolt, it's a vehicle designed for efficiency. Ask a Hummer owner their charge costs.

I see so many of you with cars and vehicles aimed at efficiency enamoured with the fact the Scout will be car or SUV efficient, comparing it to even an Ioniq9... You're going to be sadly mistaken.

I can't say it enough times, anything with a big aggressive tire will indeed be horribly inefficient. Rivian states going from the highway oriented, efficiency rated, aerodynamic 21's, to All Terrains results in a 20% range loss. 30% in less than ideal (cold, wet, snow) conditions.

If the Scout is really launching with 35"+ all Terrains - be prepared! Not only will that Wrangler cost less to buy, it may not be far off in efficiency, without the complexities of BEV or EREV.

If you're planning for efficiencies, target somewhere between Rivian Adventure Pack and Hummer EV. This will give you a good idea.

But, what do I know. I'm just an International Motors employee for over just over 20 years. I analyze things like this daily.

Like you all hoping for something with this vehicle, I'm hoping it's not a massive failure. Wishing for ICE power and a dealership experience may help to avoid that.

Take care all,

I’m not sure where you get the idea everyone is comparing the Scout to other EV’s beyond just basics since other than the Hummer (which is very heavy and supposedly purpose built if you have pocket money to burn) there are no other comparable EV’s to what the scout will be-technically not even the Rivian. Being you’ve only been on a short while i can confirm there have been many conversations on here about the Scout being a brick on wheels so I think people accept it for what it is. 33’s vs 35’s is a minimal conversation but to clarify, 33’s will be standard. And many of us understand 35’s and even 37’s will cut into efficiency. But if these vehicles are similar or hopefully better in driving experience than a Jeep Wrangler and fuel efficiency is also considerably better and a removable roof isn’t make or break the new scouts will be all around better than most other SUV’s-EV or ICE for that matter. But the bigger side of optimism from most of us is that a company is building a legit off-road SUV with the added benefits of smart use BEV / EREV and keeping as much as they can transparent. If I understand your post correctly you are wanting ICE and dealership experience. ICE is out and depending on what type of dealership experience you are hoping for you will either likely have a great, low pressure experience at their experience centers OR if you actually want the current state os stealerships, you will likely be disappointed in that as well. I’m really curious on that front what you are really hoping to gain from being a forum member as I get the impression you aren’t fully satisfied with the current direction of SM’s.

 

[LastDayScout]

Any idea what the gas equivalent and/or your mileage was. Still trying to determine how much “fuel” savings I will see with an EV. Thanks

3.1 miles per kWh (mi/kWh) is equivalent to approximately
104.5 MPGe (Miles Per Gallon equivalent). This is calculated using the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) standard conversion factor of

33.7
kWh per gallon of gasoline (

3.1×33.7=104.47
).

 

[tanktheram]

Forum by definition is open discussion regardless of opinion.

The difference is; I'm open to the fact that it's could be fantastic - instead of insistent that it WILL be.

Questioning why I'm here is like me questioning why you're so devoted to something without a confirmed release date - or even finalized costs, range, performance figures or efficiencies.

Any more and I'll be spouting useless argue points.

Wishing you all well on your Scout ressos! I'll wait until it's out and tested before jumping in

 

[J Alynn]

Not apples to apples, but a further comparison on the Rivian compared to the charger, using the Rivian‘s data over 9000 miles it used around 6000 kW so if you assume that 100% of those were home charged (at least at my local rate) you get close to $550 - $600 for those 6000 kWs, but to get 9000 miles worth of gas in the charger is going to be closer to $950 - $1,000 and that is a V8 that was averaging around 25 MPG with an 18 gallon tank compared to a 135 kWh battery with a Rivian that averaged 1.4 to 1.5 kW per mile

So still looking at an approximate 30-35% deduction in fuel savings

 

[cyure]

Forum by definition is open discussion regardless of opinion.

The difference is; I'm open to the fact that it's could be fantastic - instead of insistent that it WILL be.

Questioning why I'm here is like me questioning why you're so devoted to something without a confirmed release date - or even finalized costs, range, performance figures or efficiencies.

Any more and I'll be spouting useless argue points.

Wishing you all well on your Scout ressos! I'll wait until it's out and tested before jumping in

Everyone has to do what’s in their comfort zone but I do have a question. I always have questions.

Since this is a forum and they are asking for our input, besides ICE and a dealership have you posted anything else you want. Colors, interiors, accessories, delivery experience, etc, etc.

I for one am telling them every chance I get. I’m posting PBY over and over and over again. If there’s the slimmest chance that I can influence them in anyway I’m gonna take it.

So I hope to see you around posting your color choice or accessories or whatever is important to you.

 

[Jkew]

Everyone has to do what’s in their comfort zone but I do have a question. I always have questions.

Since this is a forum and they are asking for our input, besides ICE and a dealership have you posted anything else you want. Colors, interiors, accessories, delivery experience, etc, etc.

I for one am telling them every chance I get. I’m posting PBY over and over and over again. If there’s the slimmest chance that I can influence them in anyway I’m gonna take it.

So I hope to see you around posting your color choice or accessories or whatever is important to you.

Yeah, and I’m a late blooming luddite and data privacy nut who likes the relative mechanical simplicity of EVs. Not everyone is like me, and thank goodness for that.