Want a Scout. Don't want the Drama!

[tanktheram]

I think the Scout is going to be a flop. It has a group of forums to decide features and the future, it has a direct to consumer model, and it is entering into an EV market that is in decline - it spells disaster.



Make the Scout available at all VW/Audi dealers - maybe even International dealer. All these dealers are all ready geared up for High Voltage Energy vehicles.



Provide an all-gasoline version of the Scout to compete with Bronco, Wrangler/Gladiator, Tacoma, etc. VW/Audi already has excellent gasoline powertrains that would drop in place.



Decide on 3 trim levels, good better best. Give it three powertrain options; EV, Hybrid and Gas. Make it available it at VW/Audi/International Dealers. Enough with the Forum back and forth stuff.



The best selling truck in North America is the F150. The best selling EV truck? The F150. Hybrid Truck - well F150 is also up there. Why? Its available to anyone at any Ford Dealer and servicing is a breeze.



I am rooted in the International Brand, and Scout is historically a no-nonsense vehicle that got the job done. I want one, but am not sure I want the nonsense associated with the brand so far.

 

[J Alynn]

I’m not directing this to anyone specifically, but after doing some back of the napkin mask using 90% home charging compared to the most average gas price around me a Rivian R1 quad with a large pack compared to my V8 charger for one month being generous with the amount of times I had to go to the gas station. The charger would cost me $500 a month with the amount of miles I drive. And if we consider fully charging the Rivian every night with local charge rates for an entire 30 day month, it would be just under $400 public charging cost more because of how it’s set up and I get that but if you’re buying an electric vehicle, you shouldn’t be considering public charging as your main charge source because it will cost equivalent if not more than a gas car/truck

Have to agree with you on that. Based on some of my basic calcs and our electricity rate I expect to spend about 60% of what I do with 87 octane fuel

 

[RodorW]

I’m not directing this to anyone specifically, but after doing some back of the napkin mask using 90% home charging compared to the most average gas price around me a Rivian R1 quad with a large pack compared to my V8 charger for one month being generous with the amount of times I had to go to the gas station. The charger would cost me $500 a month with the amount of miles I drive. And if we consider fully charging the Rivian every night with local charge rates for an entire 30 day month, it would be just under $400 public charging cost more because of how it’s set up and I get that but if you’re buying an electric vehicle, you shouldn’t be considering public charging as your main charge source because it will cost equivalent if not more than a gas car/truck

I also feel I should add my math is 0 to 100% on the Rivian every day and half a full tank of gas from 0 to 100 in the charger twice a week I feel like I’m being very generous to the thirsty charger

 

[RodorW]

Though I do think it’ll be interesting to see the numbers after scouts release and someone gets a harvester and a all electric model and compares the difference in charging at home on all electric and charging with just using the gas generator and what the difference in cost there will be cause surely it’ll be cheaper than long-term with just a gas engine, but is there any chance it could be cheaper than charging at home?

 

[tanktheram]

I understand that home charging provides immense cost reductions and that napkins math will always show that an EV is more cost friendly.... but we're forgetting the upfront cost to buy.

For the price of a loaded Hummer or Rivian - I was able to buy a loaded dealer demo Powerwagon and a used Challenger 392 with money to spare. With the money to spare, I bought a used Egolf.

All daily activities, errands, work, etc are done in the commuter. I never use public charging. The PW is for big mountain adventures. The Chally is for hooning.

Now, we've all agreed a Scout will not be efficient, BEV, EREV or ICE. A heavy, tall, square box with big rubber. It's going to be Rivian expensive we know this by initial estimates. So, you could buy a gas powered insert whatever here adventure machine, and have a commuter like an Egolf?

I'm not hating - I'm just not sold.