Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

[04Ram2500Hemi]

You really don’t have to plan your stops on road trips though. There’s apps that do it for you. They’ll show you prices to charge, times to charge, places to eat at the chargers, etc. you also don’t always have to charge to full during each stop. There’s options on the apps to stop more or less frequently depending on your needs. With our Tesla, there’s zero thought that goes into it, it’s almost the exact same as using google or Apple Maps to get to a destination. I’d imagine by the time the Scout comes out it’ll all be integrated into the UI, just like the Tesla, so you won’t even have to pull up an app.

You’re probably not wrong. However, the charging infrastructure in Montana has a long ways to go. I’m just not ready yet to give up a gas motor. The Harvester allows for EV daily living, and when a longer road trip comes up, I won’t have range anxiety. Again, this hinges on the Harvester being a gas and go setup. That’s my biggest question/concern. I guess we have until 2027 to find out.

 

[Chavannigans]

If you equipped your trailer with the appropriate amount of solar and battery you would have the option of not having to use the Scout battery while camping. You may not hear your Harvester while driving but surely you would while camping and connected to your trailer. You could always separate scout from camper while camping. If you choose a Terra I just wonder if you could just go with a DuroMax 9000 with external gas tank generator (50 amp output for level 2 charging over night). Only bring when your on a long camping trip. My hope is the Terra BEV will have 400 mile range (200+ with trailer). Most places I camp are less the 100 miles from super chargers.

If you want to go halvsies we can get one of these bad boys.

1225W of solar and 800aH of lithium

 

[dreamweaver]

You’re probably not wrong. However, the charging infrastructure in Montana has a long ways to go. I’m just not ready yet to give up a gas motor. The Harvester allows for EV daily living, and when a longer road trip comes up, I won’t have range anxiety. Again, this hinges on the Harvester being a gas and go setup. That’s my biggest question/concern. I guess we have until 2027 to find out.

Absolutely. The gas-and-go concept necessitates a thorough examination before we can make an informed decision.

 

[Chavannigans]

I have a set of solar panels that we bring with us when we camp for more than a couple nights.
I also bring a 5 kWh power station (like a Bluetti, but generic) that can power our fridge, our hot plates, coffee pot, etc.
None of those appliances take a ton of energy. Those that draw high power don't run for very long, and the fridge doesn't draw high power, so I usually don't lose much of the power station's battery on any given day.

I can recharge the 5kWh power station with our 400 watts of solar very quickly here in the southwest, usually by the middle of the day during camping season.

I then plug in the truck to draw down that 5kWh power station until it's at about 10-20%, which usually doesn't happen until late evening. The 10-20% is enough to run the fridge and cook breakfast. The 80% (4 kWh) I draw out of the power station goes into the truck's battery. The next morning, the power station starts recharging. Silently.

If I'm camping for 4 days, that's about 16 kWh, or a little over 12% of the truck's battery. With a realistic 320 mile range when I'm not towing, that's about 40 miles extra range, or 10 miles per day gained passively. And I don't have to listen to a generator or a truck engine.

If we get a travel trailer again, I'll mount the solar on the roof of the trailer and won't even have to think about it. And I'll be able to double or triple the amount of solar I bring with me, which will allow me to be charging the truck during the day. If I can fit 1200 watts on the trailer, then I'll be able to replace what the truck is drawing during peak sun. So I'll be able to add 15 to 20 miles a day to the truck.

Regarding house backup: The Lightning has 130 kWh battery, and you can expect something like that in the Scout. Your house likely only uses around 30 kWh a day, so if during an outage you ran at full power, you could go for about 4 days before you needed to recharge the truck. But if you're in a power outage situation, you might decide to cut back on energy use quite a bit. The last time our power was out, we happened to not need AC or heat, so we just ran the fridge our computers, and the various internet services (we work from home). We ran on the truck for 10 hours and used less than 5% of the truck's charge. Extrapolating, we could go for 200-ish hours (8.3 days) without AC/heat. If we need AC or heat, it will bring us down to the 4 day timeframe.

SpaceEVDriver,

This was extremely helpful and I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to share your experience and the accompanying maths.
This really put things in perspective and made the BEV option a lot more viable. It all feels like black magic!

I am very paranoid about having a dead battery in the middle of nowhere but it seems like the right planning and equipment make that less of an issue.

 

[chucchinchilla]

I don’t disagree with the convenience of home charging. I just don’t want to have to worry or plan that much on long road trips. This is where I hope the Harvester package is successful. Let me continue to be a long distance road warrior then I want, and then offer the EV lifestyle when home.

Agreed, especially for you in MT with so much distance to cover I think Harvester will be a really good fit.

 

[LastDayScout]

Agreed, especially for you in MT with so much distance to cover I think Harvester will be a really good fit.

I agree for MT as well. This map shows DC fast chargers.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I did up heat maps of various radiuses (50, 100, and 200 miles) around the DC fast chargers in the US:

Post in thread 'What's it like to take a road trip in a truck like the Terra (F-150 Lightning)?'

Mar 24, 2025

Did up heat maps. Note that these are straight-line distances, not road-travel distances.

Here's the map of locations within 50 miles of a DCFC (again, not necessarily guaranteed to be compatible with your vehicle):

Here's the map of locations within 100 miles of a DCFC.

And here's a map of locations within 200 miles of a DCFC.

• SpaceEVDriver

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Everywhere in the US is within 200 miles of at least one DCFC, assuming straight-line distance. That’s not close enough to erase range anxiety up in the northern part of the midwest, and I’d even feel like I have to plan certain trips a little more carefully there.

 

[chucchinchilla]

I did up heat maps of various radiuses (50, 100, and 200 miles) around the DC fast chargers in the US:

Post in thread 'What's it like to take a road trip in a truck like the Terra (F-150 Lightning)?'

Mar 24, 2025

Did up heat maps. Note that these are straight-line distances, not road-travel distances.

Here's the map of locations within 50 miles of a DCFC (again, not necessarily guaranteed to be compatible with your vehicle):

Here's the map of locations within 100 miles of a DCFC.

And here's a map of locations within 200 miles of a DCFC.

• SpaceEVDriver

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Everywhere in the US is within 200 miles of at least one DCFC, assuming straight-line distance. That’s not close enough to erase range anxiety up in the northern part of the midwest, and I’d even feel like I have to plan certain trips a little more carefully there.

For fun I tried a 595mi drive from Bozeman, MT to Casper, WY aka the kind of drive 04Ram2500Hemi is talking about just to see what it would look like. To make it as similar to Scout as possible the vehicle is a 2025 Rivian R1S Dual w/Large battery (aka ~350mi range)...

The good news is there are chargers even out there. The bad news is all the time spent charging. This is Harvester country and use case. As for me, I think anything beyond the distance a 1 charge road trip would be is a flight anyway so I guess I'm more in the EV camp.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

For fun I tried a 595mi drive from Bozeman, MT to Casper, WY aka the kind of drive 04Ram2500Hemi is talking about just to see what it would look like. To make it as similar to Scout as possible the vehicle is a 2025 Rivian R1S Dual w/Large battery (aka ~350mi range)...
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The good news is there are chargers even out there. The bad news is all the time spent charging. This is Harvester country and use case. As for me, I think anything beyond the distance a 1 charge road trip would be is a flight anyway so I guess I'm more in the EV camp.

I find ABRP to be especially conservative and rather poor at considering what’s coming up.

For example, the EA charger at the first stop is much, much faster than the Chargepoint charger at the second stop (350 kW vs 50 kW). It makes more sense to stay at the EA charger for a little bit longer and charge to 85% rather than stop charging at 71%. When you get to the ChargePoint charger in Sheridan, you won’t have to be there for as long on the slow(er) charge. Charging to 85% in Billings would give you 14% more charge when you arrive in Sheridan, which will save you a total of 10-20 minutes, depending on the CP rate. There are similar “tricks” that you learn as you go. Many of them are specific to your driving style and your vehicle. But ABRP only uses the specific data they have acquired from whatever their sources are and they are conservative so you don’t blame them for being stuck.

Also, the charge rates most trucks are willing to accept are being increased by the manufacturers because they’re seeing a lot less charge-rate-degradation in the batteries than they expected, so they don’t have to be as conservative as they had been. ABRP is still using an older rate for my Lightning. It’s been improved substantially (by 5-20% faster, depending on the parameters). I expect Scout will start off with a conservative-ish charge rate but will still be in line with other vehicles of 2027, which will be quite a bit faster than the 2022 models.

I would have no fear of making that drive….you know when it’s warm enough and after the winds have died down.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

For fun I tried a 595mi drive from Bozeman, MT to Casper, WY aka the kind of drive 04Ram2500Hemi is talking about just to see what it would look like. To make it as similar to Scout as possible the vehicle is a 2025 Rivian R1S Dual w/Large battery (aka ~350mi range)...
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The good news is there are chargers even out there. The bad news is all the time spent charging. This is Harvester country and use case. As for me, I think anything beyond the distance a 1 charge road trip would be is a flight anyway so I guess I'm more in the EV camp.

If I’m reading this correctly, that’s damn near three hours of charging time for that trip?

 

[Chaz26]

If I’m reading this correctly, that’s damn near three hours of charging time for that trip?

I think it's because of the limited charging up there (assuming there aren't other fast chargers between stops listed on that trip). Normally you'd want to arrive between 0-10% and leave by 60% latest to get the most of the curve, the most time wasted is at the top end charging so if you have to charge to 80% or more to make the next stop then it will take a lot longer than normal. Hopefully in places like that in the next couple of years there might be an additional stop between each of those to speed things along.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I think it's because of the limited charging up there (assuming there aren't other fast chargers between stops listed on that trip). Normally you'd want to arrive between 0-10% and leave by 60% latest to get the most of the curve, the most time wasted is at the top end charging so if you have to charge to 80% or more to make the next stop then it will take a lot longer than normal. Hopefully in places like that in the next couple of years there might be an additional stop between each of those to speed things along.

Just another pro for the Harvester. Gas and go, charge when you can.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

If you want to go halvsies we can get one of these bad boys.

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Thanks for the offer but this beast is to heavy for me.

 

[Red]

I thought it was EBF. So you are saying East goes at the end???? All these years I’ve been wrong-who knew?

wait..EBF...BFE?? I thought it was BFV..for Ville...so it's east?!

Also, I gotta say, I originally reserved Terra Harvester, currently already have dodge diesel truck, don't really need another truck for towing plan to keep the diesel, it's 2010 and only has 120,000 miles on her. when I originally saw the stats for the harvester I was under the impression (and maybe I was wrong..it's happened before, ask my wife, she'll tell ya) that the Harvester would give us 350 mile EV range with 150 mile back up generator, which I thought would be cool for overland camping etc or honestly just campground camping and being able to have that extra "battery" reserve if needed, but sounds like you only get 150 mile EV range and 350 mile generator back up charge? Plus I started thinking about the upkeep of the actual engine/repairs/oil change etc...and i already have to use 3 gallons for the diesel...so I switched to straight EV. Idk...maybe that was mistake. hoping to see further info later...but for now going full EV

 

[cyure]

wait..EBF...BFE?? I thought it was BFV..for Ville...so it's east?!

Also, I gotta say, I originally reserved Terra Harvester, currently already have dodge diesel truck, don't really need another truck for towing plan to keep the diesel, it's 2010 and only has 120,000 miles on her. when I originally saw the stats for the harvester I was under the impression (and maybe I was wrong..it's happened before, ask my wife, she'll tell ya) that the Harvester would give us 350 mile EV range with 150 mile back up generator, which I thought would be cool for overland camping etc or honestly just campground camping and being able to have that extra "battery" reserve if needed, but sounds like you only get 150 mile EV range and 350 mile generator back up charge? Plus I started thinking about the upkeep of the actual engine/repairs/oil change etc...and i already have to use 3 gallons for the diesel...so I switched to straight EV. Idk...maybe that was mistake. hoping to see further info later...but for now going full EV

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Welcome to the community!

 

[N Wilson]

wait..EBF...BFE?? I thought it was BFV..for Ville...so it's east?!

Also, I gotta say, I originally reserved Terra Harvester, currently already have dodge diesel truck, don't really need another truck for towing plan to keep the diesel, it's 2010 and only has 120,000 miles on her. when I originally saw the stats for the harvester I was under the impression (and maybe I was wrong..it's happened before, ask my wife, she'll tell ya) that the Harvester would give us 350 mile EV range with 150 mile back up generator, which I thought would be cool for overland camping etc or honestly just campground camping and being able to have that extra "battery" reserve if needed, but sounds like you only get 150 mile EV range and 350 mile generator back up charge? Plus I started thinking about the upkeep of the actual engine/repairs/oil change etc...and i already have to use 3 gallons for the diesel...so I switched to straight EV. Idk...maybe that was mistake. hoping to see further info later...but for now going full EV

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Welcome to the forum.

You've got it right. The Harvester will have 150 mile battery range and 350 mile generator range. Full EV will have 350 mile battery range.

I think you made the right move switching to full EV. Since you have the diesel truck and plan to keep it, might as well use that for long camping trips and skip the maintenance on the gas engine on the Harvester, like you said.

Use the Scout for all your other driving and not have to worry about gas sitting in the tank too long and going bad, etc.

 

[J Alynn]

wait..EBF...BFE?? I thought it was BFV..for Ville...so it's east?!

Also, I gotta say, I originally reserved Terra Harvester, currently already have dodge diesel truck, don't really need another truck for towing plan to keep the diesel, it's 2010 and only has 120,000 miles on her. when I originally saw the stats for the harvester I was under the impression (and maybe I was wrong..it's happened before, ask my wife, she'll tell ya) that the Harvester would give us 350 mile EV range with 150 mile back up generator, which I thought would be cool for overland camping etc or honestly just campground camping and being able to have that extra "battery" reserve if needed, but sounds like you only get 150 mile EV range and 350 mile generator back up charge? Plus I started thinking about the upkeep of the actual engine/repairs/oil change etc...and i already have to use 3 gallons for the diesel...so I switched to straight EV. Idk...maybe that was mistake. hoping to see further info later...but for now going full EV

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Welcome aboard. FYI I use the full Bumble, not the abbreviated Bum so maybe that’s why we are all a little confused. I’m starting to think they are two separate locations

 

[Red]

Welcome to the forum.

You've got it right. The Harvester will have 150 mile battery range and 350 mile generator range. Full EV will have 350 mile battery range.

I think you made the right move switching to full EV. Since you have the diesel truck and plan to keep it, might as well use that for long camping trips and skip the maintenance on the gas engine on the Harvester, like you said.

Use the Scout for all your other driving and not have to worry about gas sitting in the tank too long and going bad, etc.

Kind of what I was thinking too. No need to kill too many birds with too many stones here! Maintenance is such a killer!

 

[Red]

Welcome aboard. FYI I use the full Bumble, not the abbreviated Bum so maybe that’s why we are all a little confused. I’m starting to think they are two separate locations

haha, thank you, Had to research this...guess there's EBF, BFV or BFEgypt, and apparently another! BFNowhere! so now I'm completely lost..good thing we'll have the range bahah

 

[J Alynn]

haha, thank you, Had to research this...guess there's EBF, BFV or BFEgypt, and apparently another! BFNowhere! so now I'm completely lost..good thing we'll have the range bahah

I love the fact that you looked it up . In my years I have heard of that exotic desert location. Had forgotten the two extras you listed. Nice work ️