Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

[04Ram2500Hemi]

The key to EV road trip success is eating while charging. Scout says they'll deliver a 350mi range vehicle. Ok so you leave home at 100%, drive a little over 4 hours, eat lunch/dinner while the car charges, then keep going to your destination. Doesn't seem inconvenient at all especially since at that point I'd stop to eat/bathroom/stretch anyway. The only real difference is you have to plan your pit stop ahead of time vs stopping randomly but again, I do that anyway.

Another thing to consider is where you gas up your car over the span of a whole year. My wife used to fill up once a week at a preferred local gas station....so 5 minutes to get there, 5 minutes to fill up, 5 minutes back, and let's say she did that 50 times a year. Quick math says that's 12.5 hours wasted over the course of a year just filling up the car. She gained all that time back thanks to charging either at work or at home.

For me it comes down to this: Pros outweigh the cons and with minimal effort even the cons disappear.

I don’t disagree with the convenience of home charging. I just don’t want to have to worry or plan that much on long road trips. This is where I hope the Harvester package is successful. Let me continue to be a long distance road warrior then I want, and then offer the EV lifestyle when home.

 

[THil08]

Maybe you could mention all the nice meals or romantic walks you could achieve while waiting for your Scout to charge. Maybe even stream a fun movie or TV show. Or what ever his interests are that may be near a super charger.

First thing that came to my mind was Netflix and Chill in a Scout ohh hell nah.

 

[THil08]

I suspect many more will switch to BEV as we get closer to launch. More will do so after launch when real world reviews start coming out after launch.

For me by the time it comes out prices of electric and gas in NJ will be the same. So my reservation won’t be changing from Harvester lol.

And I have a self agreement that I will never drive a fully electric vehicle, since it goes against my work as I am trained in gas engines.

NJ electric prices go up 20% every 3 months. So by the time scout is out it will be 300% higher.

19cents by end of 2027 it will be 60cents.

So to charge the Harvester it will be $42 in electric or $45 in gas.

And for full electric it would be around $84

To me paying the 3 extra dollars is better for the extra range.

 

[N Wilson]

For me by the time it comes out prices of electric and gas in NJ will be the same. So my reservation won’t be changing from Harvester lol.

And I have a self agreement that I will never drive a fully electric vehicle, since it goes against my work as I am trained in gas engines.

NJ electric prices go up 20% every 3 months. So by the time scout is out it will be 300% higher.

19cents by end of 2027 it will be 60cents.

So to charge the Harvester it will be $42 in electric or $45 in gas.

And for full electric it would be around $84

To me paying the 3 extra dollars is better for the extra range.

20% electric rate increase every 3 months?

I'd love to see some actual data and proof on that wild claim. Historical electric rate increases average between 3% - 6% per year.

NJ must be an outlier with no public utilities commission to oversee and approve rate increases, or you're making it up or repeating misinformation you didn't bother to fact check.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

For me by the time it comes out prices of electric and gas in NJ will be the same. So my reservation won’t be changing from Harvester lol.

And I have a self agreement that I will never drive a fully electric vehicle, since it goes against my work as I am trained in gas engines.

NJ electric prices go up 20% every 3 months. So by the time scout is out it will be 300% higher.

19cents by end of 2027 it will be 60cents.

So to charge the Harvester it will be $42 in electric or $45 in gas.

And for full electric it would be around $84

To me paying the 3 extra dollars is better for the extra range.

Can you expand on the math here? How did you arrive at those numbers?

Where I live a tank of gas costs about $60 and gives about the same amount of range as a full battery. A full battery costs me $1.56 in electricity if I charge overnight. Even if I charge at the most expensive peak rate it's $15.60. How did you get $84? What is that number based on?

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

For me by the time it comes out prices of electric and gas in NJ will be the same. So my reservation won’t be changing from Harvester lol.

And I have a self agreement that I will never drive a fully electric vehicle, since it goes against my work as I am trained in gas engines.

NJ electric prices go up 20% every 3 months. So by the time scout is out it will be 300% higher.

19cents by end of 2027 it will be 60cents.

So to charge the Harvester it will be $42 in electric or $45 in gas.

And for full electric it would be around $84

To me paying the 3 extra dollars is better for the extra range.

It cost you that much to level 2 charge at your house? Maybe solar would help.

 

[THil08]

It cost you that much to level 2 charge at your house? Maybe solar would help.

Solar is out my town doesn’t allow solar panels. Its a town ordinance and fine.

And to the other comment, no need to explain myself. Me getting the harvester is free will, sorry im not falling for the green new scam. And all my math has backing to it so which i don't need to explain. Non of y’all live in my state so why do y’all need to know.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

Solar is out my town doesn’t allow solar panels. Its a town ordinance and fine.

That's right in NOYB NJ it is outlawed

Historical ordinance?

 

[THil08]

That's right in NOYB NJ it is outlawed

Historical ordinance?

Its been in place for as long as i can remember

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

Solar is out my town doesn’t allow solar panels. Its a town ordinance and fine.

And to the other comment, no need to explain myself. Me getting the harvester is free will, sorry im not falling for the green new scam. And all my math has backing to it so which i don't need to explain. Non of y’all live in my state so why do y’all need to know.

I was just asking. What do i know as I have never owned an EV but most folks say its a fraction of what your saying. That's cool you are going for the Harvester as we all want Scout to sell as many units as possible. Does your town allow wind mills

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

First thing that came to my mind was Netflix and Chill in a Scout ohh hell nah.

That is not what I was implying.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

Solar is out my town doesn’t allow solar panels. Its a town ordinance and fine.

And to the other comment, no need to explain myself. Me getting the harvester is free will, sorry im not falling for the green new scam. And all my math has backing to it so which i don't need to explain. Non of y’all live in my state so why do y’all need to know.

Okay well I like to live in the real world with facts and data so I'll do the math for you.

According to this the average price for electricity in New Jersey is $0.1672/kWh.

https://electricityrates.com/new-jersey/

So a 20% increase would mean the rates will go up to $0.2006/kWh

We don't know how big the BEV Scout battery will be but 150 kWh is a pretty reasonable guess so let's assume that for now and go with the current NJ electricity rate of $0.1672/kWh. That gives a total cost to fully charge the pack from dead to full of $25.08.

Of course the pack will almost never be completely dead, and good battery management means you charge up to 80% daily unless you're going on a road trip so your normal daily charge will be from 20% to 80% which is 60% of the overall capacity being charged.

60% of 150 kWh is 90 kWh which means your daily charge assuming you go down to 20% and charge back up to 80% every single day would be $15.05. But that's assuming you drive 210 miles a day which most people don't. The average American drives less than 40 miles a day which means that 20%-80% charge will last about five days.

So realistically you'd spend around $15 every five days or so for the BEV version.

Sorry dude, your math doesn't math.

 

[THil08]

Okay well I like to live in the real world with facts and data so I'll do the math for you.

According to this the average price for electricity in New Jersey is $0.1672/kWh.

https://electricityrates.com/new-jersey/

So a 20% increase would mean the rates will go up to $0.2006/kWh

We don't know how big the BEV Scout battery will be but 150 kWh is a pretty reasonable guess so let's assume that for now and go with the current NJ electricity rate of $0.1672/kWh. That gives a total cost to fully charge the pack from dead to full of $25.08.

Of course the pack will almost never be completely dead, and good battery management means you charge up to 80% daily unless you're going on a road trip so your normal daily charge will be from 20% to 80% which is 60% of the overall capacity being charged.

60% of 150 kWh is 90 kWh which means your daily charge assuming you go down to 20% and charge back up to 80% every single day would be $15.05. But that's assuming you drive 210 miles a day which most people don't. The average American drives less than 40 miles a day which means that 20%-80% charge will last about five days.

So realistically you'd spend around $15 every five days or so for the BEV version.

Sorry dude, your math doesn't math.

Add the extra 300% for every 3 months leading up till end of 2027. So your math doesn’t add up either. I don’t care about todays rates.

 

[N Wilson]

Add the extra 300% for every 3 months leading up till end of 2027. So your math doesn’t add up either. I don’t care about todays rates.

A minute ago it was 20% every 3 months. Now it's 300% every 3 months.

Cranky is right. Your math aint mathing.

 

[THil08]

A minute ago it was 20% every 3 months. Now it's 300% every 3 months.

Cranky is right. Your math aint mathing.

Im saying add the 20% that it would be leading up to the end of 2027. Which is 300% so no my math is correct. Both can simply fook off.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

Add the extra 300% for every 3 months leading up till end of 2027. So your math doesn’t add up either. I don’t care about todays rates.

I've found no evidence anywhere to back up your numbers. I found out that NJ's prices are going up between 17% and 20% this coming June depending on which utility you're with and that those new rates will be in effect for one year so I'm not sure where you're getting this "every 3 months" nonsense let alone your ridiculous "300%" claim.

But sure, let's run the numbers for the new 20% higher rates coming in June shall we!?

An absolute full charge goes from $25.08 to $30.09. A "daily" charge goes from $15.05 to $18.05.

Feel free to point out where my math is wrong and how you got to "$84".

Here's my source: https://patch.com/new-jersey/across-nj/nj-electric-rates-going-again-june-see-how-much

 

[HuddyBuddy]

I don’t disagree with the convenience of home charging. I just don’t want to have to worry or plan that much on long road trips. This is where I hope the Harvester package is successful. Let me continue to be a long distance road warrior then I want, and then offer the EV lifestyle when home.

You really don’t have to plan your stops on road trips though. There’s apps that do it for you. They’ll show you prices to charge, times to charge, places to eat at the chargers, etc. you also don’t always have to charge to full during each stop. There’s options on the apps to stop more or less frequently depending on your needs. With our Tesla, there’s zero thought that goes into it, it’s almost the exact same as using google or Apple Maps to get to a destination. I’d imagine by the time the Scout comes out it’ll all be integrated into the UI, just like the Tesla, so you won’t even have to pull up an app.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

I've found no evidence anywhere to back up your numbers. I found out that NJ's prices are going up between 17% and 20% this coming June depending on which utility you're with and that those new rates will be in effect for one year so I'm not sure where you're getting this "every 3 months" nonsense let alone your ridiculous "300%" claim.

But sure, let's run the numbers for the new 20% higher rates coming in June shall we!?

An absolute full charge goes from $25.08 to $30.09. A "daily" charge goes from $15.05 to $18.05.

Feel free to point out where my math is wrong and how you got to "$84".

Here's my source: https://patch.com/new-jersey/across-nj/nj-electric-rates-going-again-june-see-how-much

Im saying add the 20% that it would be leading up to the end of 2027. Which is 300% so no my math is correct. Both can simply fook off.

You might want to just let this on go man.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I am on the fence. Like others have mentioned initially I opted for Harvester for range anxiety and an easier transition since it will be our first EV.

A lot of you have eased my mind about range anxiety and it seems like you eventually plan your trips accordingly without thinking too much into it. And in reality it would mostly be daily driven by me (50 mile round trip commute) or my wife (100 mile commute) and even the Harvester battery would be enough for either one of us to not need to use gas during the week.


There are two reason I am still considering it due to our current circumstances and goals.

1. We want to camp off grid for 3-5 days at a time.

I am a disabled vet so we get free National Park and Federal Land access for life, and we want to use it as much as possible now that our youngest is more mobile and adventure ready (he just turned 3 last week ).

We want to be able to camp out on BLM land and use the vehicle to power a travel trailer or pop up without carrying around a heavy inverter generator or dealing with the noise which can be overwhelming with my condition. Sm claims the Harvester will be very quiet and most people wont be able to tell when it kicks on, and that sounds amazing if they can pull that off.

We also want to spend a few days at a time on PINS (Padre Island National Seashore) where you can end up hours from the nearest cell signal or charger and if you are pretty far down the beach the tow bills there are extremely expensive.

2. Backup power.

We have frequent power outages in our area, and having a built in generator we can hook the house up to could be a literal life saver. While this is also something the BEV could accomplish, until its battery is depleted.

After the big freeze several years ago in Texas we have been looking into battery backups and generator options but are still aggressively paying down our consumer debt before we make another big purchase. This would be killing two birds with one stone for my family.

I have a set of solar panels that we bring with us when we camp for more than a couple nights.
I also bring a 5 kWh power station (like a Bluetti, but generic) that can power our fridge, our hot plates, coffee pot, etc.
None of those appliances take a ton of energy. Those that draw high power don't run for very long, and the fridge doesn't draw high power, so I usually don't lose much of the power station's battery on any given day.

I can recharge the 5kWh power station with our 400 watts of solar very quickly here in the southwest, usually by the middle of the day during camping season.

I then plug in the truck to draw down that 5kWh power station until it's at about 10-20%, which usually doesn't happen until late evening. The 10-20% is enough to run the fridge and cook breakfast. The 80% (4 kWh) I draw out of the power station goes into the truck's battery. The next morning, the power station starts recharging. Silently.

If I'm camping for 4 days, that's about 16 kWh, or a little over 12% of the truck's battery. With a realistic 320 mile range when I'm not towing, that's about 40 miles extra range, or 10 miles per day gained passively. And I don't have to listen to a generator or a truck engine.

If we get a travel trailer again, I'll mount the solar on the roof of the trailer and won't even have to think about it. And I'll be able to double or triple the amount of solar I bring with me, which will allow me to be charging the truck during the day. If I can fit 1200 watts on the trailer, then I'll be able to replace what the truck is drawing during peak sun. So I'll be able to add 15 to 20 miles a day to the truck.

Regarding house backup: The Lightning has 130 kWh battery, and you can expect something like that in the Scout. Your house likely only uses around 30 kWh a day, so if during an outage you ran at full power, you could go for about 4 days before you needed to recharge the truck. But if you're in a power outage situation, you might decide to cut back on energy use quite a bit. The last time our power was out, we happened to not need AC or heat, so we just ran the fridge our computers, and the various internet services (we work from home). We ran on the truck for 10 hours and used less than 5% of the truck's charge. Extrapolating, we could go for 200-ish hours (8.3 days) without AC/heat. If we need AC or heat, it will bring us down to the 4 day timeframe.

 

[N Wilson]

I have a set of solar panels that we bring with us when we camp for more than a couple nights.
I also bring a 5 kWh power station (like a Bluetti, but generic) that can power our fridge, our hot plates, coffee pot, etc.
None of those appliances take a ton of energy. Those that draw high power don't run for very long, and the fridge doesn't draw high power, so I usually don't lose much of the power station's battery on any given day.

I can recharge the 5kWh power station with our 400 watts of solar very quickly here in the southwest, usually by the middle of the day during camping season.

I then plug in the truck to draw down that 5kWh power station until it's at about 10-20%, which usually doesn't happen until late evening. The 10-20% is enough to run the fridge and cook breakfast. The 80% (4 kWh) I draw out of the power station goes into the truck's battery. The next morning, the power station starts recharging. Silently.

If I'm camping for 4 days, that's about 16 kWh, or a little over 12% of the truck's battery. With a realistic 320 mile range when I'm not towing, that's about 40 miles extra range, or 10 miles per day gained passively. And I don't have to listen to a generator or a truck engine.

If we get a travel trailer again, I'll mount the solar on the roof of the trailer and won't even have to think about it. And I'll be able to double or triple the amount of solar I bring with me, which will allow me to be charging the truck during the day. If I can fit 1200 watts on the trailer, then I'll be able to replace what the truck is drawing during peak sun. So I'll be able to add 15 to 20 miles a day to the truck.

Regarding house backup: The Lightning has 130 kWh battery, and you can expect something like that in the Scout. Your house likely only uses around 30 kWh a day, so if during an outage you ran at full power, you could go for about 4 days before you needed to recharge the truck. But if you're in a power outage situation, you might decide to cut back on energy use quite a bit. The last time our power was out, we happened to not need AC or heat, so we just ran the fridge our computers, and the various internet services (we work from home). We ran on the truck for 10 hours and used less than 5% of the truck's charge. Extrapolating, we could go for 200-ish hours (8.3 days) without AC/heat. If we need AC or heat, it will bring us down to the 4 day timeframe.

Super helpful and informative! Love the real world experience and examples!

Thank you for sharing this.