Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

[LastDayScout]

By the way, the BEV needs to have its own name like the Harvester. BEV is boring at best. Any ideas everyone? This may need to be a new thread.

 

[cyure]

Questions for those that have reserved the Harvester.
1. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the wait for the Harvester is longer?
2. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the price is higher for the Harvester?

This is a very good question and I had to think about it.

If I have to wait longer so be it. I am looking at this car as it being for the long haul again. My Wrangler will be 15 ish when I get my Scout. I would rather wait and get exactly what I want than rush and compromise.

As for cost again, my husband keeps saying I keep my cars so long don’t compromise because of price. Get my Scout the way I want it and if the Harvester is what I decide on then that’s what I am getting.

However, the things that have me thinking of switching are

1. Maintenance. The Hatvester is just more maintenance. There no two ways about it. And it’s not like you open the hood and it’s right there’s. It’s under the vehicle. If something went wrong are they taking the whole car apart to get to what needs to be repaired?

2. And when going on a long trip Im assuming at some point the battery is at a point where I have no choice but to charge it. So will I be looking for a gas station and a charging station? It just sounds like more steps.

I’m glad we have some time because I thought I was solid on Harvester and I am not anymore.

 

[cyure]

By the way, the BEV needs to have its own name like the Harvester. BEV is boring at best. Any ideas everyone? This may need to be a new thread.

Great idea. You are right it does. Make it a new thread please and thank you.

 

[LastDayScout]

Great idea. You are right it does. Make it a new thread please and thank you.

It is done! please add your thoughts!

Thread 'All EV/BEV needs its own name!'

Friday at 3:30 PM

The all electric version needs its own cool name like the EREV is called Harvester. Let's hear some ideas Scouts! This one is my vote!
-Ampere (I think this is my personal favorite and a throwback to the old Scouts and IH tractors that had Amp gauges)

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[J Alynn]

I suspect you're right. But Scott Keogh was coy about this in the Motor Trend interview and I've read some things recently that suggest the manufacturing cost of the Harvester might be lower. A 65 kWh LFP battery and genset could be a lot less expensive than a 125 kWh NMC battery. Keeping the Harvester price down would help with 50 state adoption and in the offroad

It is my understanding that you can switch at any time. You are also correct that Scout mentioned that the factory is being designed for maximum flexibility. However, I just suspect that the Harvester development timeline is significantly behind the BEV. How significant is the question.

I would second your thinking. The harvester adds 150 miles of range which is perk (to many). I suspect it to be around $2000-$2500 more minimally and perhaps pushing closer to $3000. And yeah-it would be fair to want to cover the engineering costs as well. As BEV buyers I shouldn’t have to absorb that added cost to the vehicle development. Essentially the Harvester increased if not doubled the engineering costs so there will need to be accountability for that which will come with a premium price on the Harvester.

 

[J Alynn]

My hope and understanding is that we can switch right up to the point of finalizing an order so no need to hurry. Unless the balance of preorders has a big effect on what they produce first. Your good engineering delay points aside, they seem to have said the factory will be able to adjust the mix very quickly once both are ready for production.

That’s a good point. Curious if switch over means the line can do 3 BEV, then 2 harvesters, etc…. Or more like M,T and F they run harvesters and W, R they run BEV’s. Curious how flexible it really will be

 

[Chuckles]

I suspect you're right. But Scott Keogh was coy about this in the Motor Trend interview and I've read some things recently that suggest the manufacturing cost of the Harvester might be lower. A 65 kWh LFP battery and genset could be a lot less expensive than a 125 kWh NMC battery. Keeping the Harvester price down would help with 50 state adoption and in the offroad enthusiast community

I have no way of knowing the cost of the Harvester versus pure battery. My reasoning is if 70% of pre-orders are for the Harvester, charging more is an easy way to increase profitability. I also believe the Harvester will have a better resale value than a pure electric, which would likely affect the price of a lease.

 

[AlanL]

2. And when going on a long trip Im assuming at some point the battery is at a point where I have no choice but to charge it. So will I be looking for a gas station and a charging station? It just sounds like more steps.

I can’t see that being the case. Not having infinite gas and go will be a deal breaker for many. The software has to preserve some amount of the battery and force you to run out of gas before running out of the battery. Your job to then get gas before the battery dies. Better yet before running out of gas in the first place. People can make up scenarios where the genset can’t provide enough power to move you as fast as you want. But IRL grades don’t last all that long, you can drive a bit slower. SM does have to make the genset big enough to handle reasonable expected use. I’ve done some math on other threads that make me think around 150 hp for the ICE could be adequate. Not necessarily perfect, but adequate.

 

[J Alynn]

I can’t see that being the case. Not having infinite gas and go will be a deal breaker for many. The software has to preserve some amount of the battery and force you to run out of gas before running out of the battery. Your job to then get gas before the battery dies. Better yet before running out of gas in the first place. People can make up scenarios where the genset can’t provide enough power to move you as fast as you want. But IRL grades don’t last all that long, you can drive a bit slower. SM does have to make the genset big enough to handle reasonable expected use. I’ve done some math on other threads that make me think around 150 hp for the ICE could be adequate. Not necessarily perfect, but adequate.

But in that scenario it might as well be an ICE. I think there will have to be times where you have to stop and charge as well as gas and go. At this time it’s ok a guessing game anyway until SM tells everyone otherwise

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Questions for those that have reserved the Harvester.
1. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the wait for the Harvester is longer?
2. Would you consider switching to the BEV if the price is higher for the Harvester?

I’ve been fairly vocal with my opinion on Scout. I have zero interest in a full EV because I’m not confident the charging infrastructure is where it needs to be in my area. The Harvester allows me to have the convenience of an EV for day to day use, but gives me the confidence of a gas motor when I need it. I’m really excited about the potential of the Harvester.

 

[LastDayScout]

I’m liking the thoughtful answer here. Remember, Scout reads this forum.

 

[LastDayScout]

I’ve been fairly vocal with my opinion on Scout. I have zero interest in a full EV because I’m not confident the charging infrastructure is where it needs to be in my area. The Harvester allows me to have the convenience of an EV for day to day use, but gives me the confidence of a gas motor when I need it. I’m really excited about the potential of the Harvester.

Yes, your geographical location is not ideal yet for a full EV.

 

[AlanL]

But in that scenario it might as well be an ICE. I think there will have to be times where you have to stop and charge as well as gas and go. At this time it’s ok a guessing game anyway until SM tells everyone otherwise

You always have the choice to stop and charge, driving as much on electricity as you want. The point is to be able to gas and go if you can’t find a convenient charger or don’t want to wait. This is where different folk have different opinions about the balance between battery and gas range.

 

[Xyst]

Short answer, yes I reserved a Harvester but may switch to BEV. If they can get the range to a good amount (north of 320miles real world interstate), I'd be in.

I like the "idea" of the harvester, but mechanically it's going to be really complex. I keep my vehicles a long time and want to minimize potential issues. The idea of reduced complexity, maintenance, and repairs is VERY appealing. Tires are already going to be expensive, maybe I can offset some of that with reduced service costs.

 

[OH1984]

Short answer, yes I reserved a Harvester but may switch to BEV. If they can get the range to a good amount (north of 320miles real world interstate), I'd be in.

I like the "idea" of the harvester, but mechanically it's going to be really complex. I keep my vehicles a long time and want to minimize potential issues. The idea of reduced complexity, maintenance, and repairs is VERY appealing. Tires are already going to be expensive, maybe I can offset some of that with reduced service costs.

Welcome to the forum!

In the exact same boat for the reasons you mentioned.

 

[AlanL]

Short answer, yes I reserved a Harvester but may switch to BEV. If they can get the range to a good amount (north of 320miles real world interstate), I'd be in.

I like the "idea" of the harvester, but mechanically it's going to be really complex. I keep my vehicles a long time and want to minimize potential issues. The idea of reduced complexity, maintenance, and repairs is VERY appealing. Tires are already going to be expensive, maybe I can offset some of that with reduced service costs.

Welcome! I’ll be interested to hear why you think the Harvester will be really complex. Seems like the genset will be much simpler than a mechanical drivetrain, hooking it to the existing DC power structure is not mechanically complex. The genset ICE should take less maintenance than in an ICE vehicle and might not be difficult if they package it right. The rest is just software. I’m a retired software engineer, general but not deep knowledge of mechanics.