Make steering wheel sportier

[tonydibiasiojr]

The steering wheel design needs to look a bit more sporty I think. Currently looks like it came out of my grandpa’s Buick! Like flat bottom but more rounded at top. Needs to be three spoke as well. Two spoke is what I think makes it look like an old man’s car.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I wonder if something like that keeping everything on could be achieved using one of those aux buttons by the steering wheel, which would only be one flick of a switch too. Maybe you could even have a sub menu so it could be configured to keep everything on, just climate, or some other combination of things.

I mean, that’s what the Start/Stop button is. Right there in easy reach.

 

[J Alynn]

Agreed. No change for Harvester. @cyure I thought you were all-in on full BEV?

I'm sure it could be disabled in software so that would be my vote if they insist on having it. No need for a second wheel - I will just ignore it.

Print a custom sticker top like ‘eject button’ or ‘machine guns’ or ‘beer dispenser’. You get the gist

 

[cyure]

Print a custom sticker top like ‘eject button’ or ‘machine guns’ or ‘beer dispenser’. You get the gist

Okay this is the wheel in my son’s Elantra N. The blue buttons one puts it in N mode and the other your custom N mode and that red button give you 10 more horsepower for 20 seconds. .

So if you don’t need to to start it make that button do something else.

 

[strider]

It’s not “needed” in EVs for very simplistic uses of EVs, but I use my truck for working on the ranch and having to deal with the machine shutting itself off automatically would make it so much of a pain that it wouldn’t be worth owning such a truck.

A simple compromise would be keep the button and have a toggle in the UI to turn on/off auto-start.

I know we're going around on this but this use case still makes no sense to me. The car is literally ready in seconds. In the time it takes for you to open the door, sit down, and press the brake pedal it is ready to go into drive. I fail to see how keeping the car "on" saves you any time. Do you want to keep the radio or HVAC on or something? You're also making a huge assumption that the car will stay "on" without a driver in the seat and the door closed.

My "simplistic use case" is how I believe 99% of Scouts will be used. Your use sounds like a corner case but what do I know....

I did some digging in the Lightning Owner's manual and there seems to be some kind of "Vehicle Power Down Timer" but it doesn't say what the time options are, only how to turn it on or off. Does the Lightning take a long time to boot up or something?

All that to say, yes, just like shift paddles, the button could be there and there could be a profile setting to disable it (although I like @Chaz26's idea that there could be a multifunction button that you could program to do whatever you want vs a dedicated on/off button).

 

[nolen]

I wonder if something like that keeping everything on could be achieved using one of those aux buttons by the steering wheel, which would only be one flick of a switch too. Maybe you could even have a sub menu so it could be configured to keep everything on, just climate, or some other combination of things.

I wouldn’t object to having the on/off be on of the switches on the ceiling near the compass. Make it feel like you’re preparing for takeoff or something

 

[J Alynn]

I know we're going around on this but this use case still makes no sense to me. The car is literally ready in seconds. In the time it takes for you to open the door, sit down, and press the brake pedal it is ready to go into drive. I fail to see how keeping the car "on" saves you any time. Do you want to keep the radio or HVAC on or something? You're also making a huge assumption that the car will stay "on" without a driver in the seat and the door closed.

My "simplistic use case" is how I believe 99.98% of Scouts will be used. Your use sounds like a corner case but what do I know....

All that to say, yes, just like shift paddles, the button could be there and there could be a profile setting to disable it (although I like @Chaz26's idea that there could be a multifunction button that you could program to do whatever you want vs a dedicated on/off button).

I like the start/stop as I’m new to EV but the idea of programming for other uses is a great idea. After 6 months and being new I learn everything and feel I no longer need start/stop I could convert to use the button for hover mode.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

I know we're going around on this but this use case still makes no sense to me. The car is literally ready in seconds. In the time it takes for you to open the door, sit down, and press the brake pedal it is ready to go into drive. I fail to see how keeping the car "on" saves you any time. Do you want to keep the radio or HVAC on or something? You're also making a huge assumption that the car will stay "on" without a driver in the seat and the door closed.

My "simplistic use case" is how I believe 99% of Scouts will be used. Your use sounds like a corner case but what do I know....

I did some digging in the Lightning Owner's manual and there seems to be some kind of "Vehicle Power Down Timer" but it doesn't say what the time options are, only how to turn it on or off. Does the Lightning take a long time to boot up or something?

All that to say, yes, just like shift paddles, the button could be there and there could be a profile setting to disable it (although I like @Chaz26's idea that there could be a multifunction button that you could program to do whatever you want vs a dedicated on/off button).

I want to be in control of when the vehicle is on or off, not some AI, or algorithm or interpretation of my actions or intent or body position. Just because I open the door, or sit down, or inadvertently tap a pedal doesn’t mean I want the car on, and just because I stand up or exit the vehicle doesn’t mean I want everything powered down. Even if it could perfectly read my mind and always knows what I want, I don’t want it to, I want to be in control of the machine, not the other way around. I want a simple button/switch, not something buried in a menu on a touch screen. I hope that they also give you an auto on/off setting for what you want, but not at the price of removing the physical control that many of the rest of us want.

Ah, now for some deep breathing and a few rounds of kumbayah

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I know we're going around on this but this use case still makes no sense to me. The car is literally ready in seconds. In the time it takes for you to open the door, sit down, and press the brake pedal it is ready to go into drive. I fail to see how keeping the car "on" saves you any time. Do you want to keep the radio or HVAC on or something? You're also making a huge assumption that the car will stay "on" without a driver in the seat and the door closed.

My "simplistic use case" is how I believe 99% of Scouts will be used. Your use sounds like a corner case but what do I know....

I did some digging in the Lightning Owner's manual and there seems to be some kind of "Vehicle Power Down Timer" but it doesn't say what the time options are, only how to turn it on or off. Does the Lightning take a long time to boot up or something?

All that to say, yes, just like shift paddles, the button could be there and there could be a profile setting to disable it (although I like @Chaz26's idea that there could be a multifunction button that you could program to do whatever you want vs a dedicated on/off button).

The Lightning is ready to go for driving almost instantly; that’s not the use-case. I set the auto-shut off to inactive on my truck.

When I’m working the ranch, I sometimes need non-default configurations to stay where I set them for the work session. I mean: which cameras are on, mirror locations, drive mode, etc. I don’t want those things set for work use while I’m doing normal street driving, so I turn on the vehicle, set all the things I need set, adjust them as necessary, drive to the work site, and then exit the vehicle to do something like drive a fence post or hook up something to the winch, then get back in the vehicle to drive. If the vehicle shuts off in between, then the next time it boots up it will reset all those things to defaults. That’s a waste of my time and it’s very poorly-considered user experience.

The choice to do away with positive-action to turn on or off the vehicle is a “disruptive action” with no purpose other than being “disruptive.”

 

[J Alynn]

I want to be in control of when the vehicle is on or off, not some AI, or algorithm or interpretation of my actions or intent or body position. Just because I open the door, or sit down, or inadvertently tap a pedal doesn’t mean I want the car on, and just because I stand up or exit the vehicle doesn’t mean I want everything powered down. Even if it could perfectly read my mind and always knows what I want, I don’t want it to, I want to be in control of the machine, not the other way around. I want a simple button/switch, not something buried in a menu on a touch screen. I hope that they also give you an auto on/off setting for what you want, but not at the price of removing the physical control that many of the rest of us want.

Ah, now for some deep breathing and a few rounds of kumbayah

Breathe it out -Woooo-Saaaaaa!

 

[jeff_h]

That being said, I HATE the on/off switch. It is completely useless in an EV and just adds extra pointless steps to operate the vehicle. There is no need to "start" an EV. Get in (with the key), car moves into in ACC mode (radio works, HVAC works, etc). When you're ready to drive, press the brake pedal (car then turns "on"), shift into R or D, and drive away. When you arrive, put the vehicle in Park, get out of the vehicle, vehicle powers down on its own when you close the door.

I see this has already been kicked around but I didn't see the thought that came to mind for me. With the start/stop being near the center of the steering wheel, I'm afraid a driver may try to hit the horn in a panic situation (car pulling out right in front of him/her, etc) and inadvertently hit the start/stop button and turn the vehicle off unintentionally. Chances may be low, but I personally have mashed the horn in a panic situation and been a bit off-center, would hate for the button placement to cause such as issue.

 

[cyure]

I see this has already been kicked around but I didn't see the thought that came to mind for me. With the start/stop being near the center of the steering wheel, I'm afraid a driver may try to hit the horn in a panic situation (car pulling out right in front of him/her, etc) and inadvertently hit the start/stop button and turn the vehicle off unintentionally. Chances may be low, but I personally have mashed the horn in a panic situation and been a bit off-center, would hate for the button placement to cause such as issue.

Welcome to the community.

 

[J Alynn]

I see this has already been kicked around but I didn't see the thought that came to mind for me. With the start/stop being near the center of the steering wheel, I'm afraid a driver may try to hit the horn in a panic situation (car pulling out right in front of him/her, etc) and inadvertently hit the start/stop button and turn the vehicle off unintentionally. Chances may be low, but I personally have mashed the horn in a panic situation and been a bit off-center, would hate for the button placement to cause such as issue.

Welcome to the forum. Thanks for sharing your thoughts

 

[RodorW]

I see this has already been kicked around but I didn't see the thought that came to mind for me. With the start/stop being near the center of the steering wheel, I'm afraid a driver may try to hit the horn in a panic situation (car pulling out right in front of him/her, etc) and inadvertently hit the start/stop button and turn the vehicle off unintentionally. Chances may be low, but I personally have mashed the horn in a panic situation and been a bit off-center, would hate for the button placement to cause such as issue.

The vehicle will probably be a little smarter than you expect with safeguards and checks in place for safety. Personally, whenever I turn the wheel, I get a bit ham fisted and I’m very likely to press the button at slow speeds which would increase the likelihood of just shutting the vehicle off while in motion so it seems safe to assume that if the power button on the wheel makes it to production it will probably use all of the information available to it to understand if the button is actually being switched or if it was accidentally pressed

 

[oldgeeksguide]

I see this has already been kicked around but I didn't see the thought that came to mind for me. With the start/stop being near the center of the steering wheel, I'm afraid a driver may try to hit the horn in a panic situation (car pulling out right in front of him/her, etc) and inadvertently hit the start/stop button and turn the vehicle off unintentionally. Chances may be low, but I personally have mashed the horn in a panic situation and been a bit off-center, would hate for the button placement to cause such as issue.

in the cars I’ve driven with start stop buttons, tapping it while the car is in motion won’t shut it down, you’d have to hold it for several seconds which would trigger an emergency shutdown. Note that the ability to do this is one of the safety advantages of having the button. There was a tragic crash in the early days of the Prius where it kept accelerating and they couldn’t stop. They might’ve been saved if they knew about holding the button for emergency shutdown.

 

[RodorW]

in the cars I’ve driven with start stop buttons, tapping it while the car is in motion won’t shut it down, you’d have to hold it for several seconds which would trigger an emergency shutdown. Note that the ability to do this is one of the safety advantages of having the button. There was a tragic crash in the early days of the Prius where it kept accelerating and they couldn’t stop. They might’ve been saved if they knew about holding the button for emergency shutdown.

I assume this is speed based, or maybe manufacturer? My car at least as slow as 8MPH will throw on the parking brake and shut down while in drive if I tap the button, I only know that because I did it absent minded, planning to be faster but I got a call and already had my finger over the the button and just pushed it without thinking, for many reasons I won’t try to do that again or at higher speeds, but I’m sure it wouldn’t let me over a certain speed, under 15mph I can change gears though which is also terrifying, but that was more an emergency situation

 

[J Alynn]

The vehicle will probably be a little smarter than you expect with safeguards and checks in place for safety. Personally, whenever I turn the wheel, I get a bit ham fisted and I’m very likely to press the button at slow speeds which would increase the likelihood of just shutting the vehicle off while in motion so it seems safe to assume that if the power button on the wheel makes it to production it will probably use all of the information available to it to understand if the button is actually being switched or if it was accidentally pressed

Probably needs to be in park. Otherwise you risk burning out a motor or other weird stuff happening

 

[J Alynn]

I assume this is speed based, or maybe manufacturer? My car at least as slow as 8MPH will throw on the parking brake and shut down while in drive if I tap the button, I only know that because I did it absent minded, planning to be faster but I got a call and already had my finger over the the button and just pushed it without thinking, for many reasons I won’t try to do that again or at higher speeds, but I’m sure it wouldn’t let me over a certain speed, under 15mph I can change gears though which is also terrifying, but that was more an emergency situation

That’s odd