Harvester towing

[mbeadnell]

I would strongly suggest the harvester model towing more than 5k. This is going to be a deal breaker for most people and cause a lot of cancelled reservations. My opinion but I would not have announced something like this without all the details
In place to make a firm stance. This has created a lot of confusion and speculation and as a result many cancelled reservations. I would like to see the Terra at least able
To tow 7500 at minimum and the traveler at 5000k minimum. It makes no sense for both the tow the same with one able
To tow nearly 3k more on the pure ev models. This is just my suggestion. Keeping the price within the mentioned amount during announcement I hope is possible to have the towing range increased ( 7500 for Terra 5000 for traveler) that’s my suggestion and opinion.

 

[OH1984]

Everyone complaining wants the Harvester version, not the EV version.

Towing with an EV is a non-starter. I'm not going to unhitch to charge every 200 miles.

Understood. Yeah I have no knowledge on how much tow limits range etc.
maybe battery tech will be much improved by 2028. I hope you do find something to meet your needs whatever it may be.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

Everyone complaining wants the Harvester version, not the EV version.

Towing with an EV is a non-starter. I'm not going to unhitch to charge every 200 miles.

I understand that and I truly hope everyone waits to see final numbers on the harvester before they cancel. Regardless if you go EV or harvester one will liklely need to stop and charge. With harvester it will be more then 200 (while towing) but not a huge amount more. Even if the Harvester does end up being gas and go it is a very small gas tank and it will liklely need a charge after 350ish miles (while towing).

 

[R1TVT]

Towing with an EV is a non-starter. I'm not going to unhitch to charge every 200 miles.

This may be true in your case, but not everyone's case. Pure EV trucks can be excellent for frequent and repeated hauling of things like boats for example (back and forth to the ramp), equipment trailers (job site to job site) or even basic homeowner needs like trailering to the dump. I envision more and more contractors / landscapers / trades people using EV trucks for daily trailering. It will just be far cheaper over time and they can charge up at end of day and overnight and be ready to roll out again the following morning. My only point being that Towing with an EV absolutely has its use-cases.

Not everyone is continuously using their trucks to tow for hundreds of miles at a time. Of course if you are long-hauling, you will absolutely be required to stop & charge more frequently, just as you will need to re-fuel more often in an ICE vehicle while towing.

 

[BeerParty]

Towing with an EV is a non-starter. I'm not going to unhitch to charge every 200 miles.

What if you did not have to unhitch to charge? Is that the only reason? Or just one of many?

I also have a Harvester reserved for just this reason (needing to unhitch to charge), but Walmart has released info about their plans to add chargers (

) and this will include chargers that offer pull through stalls. Walmart exec claims that 50% of their stores will have chargers by the end of 2025. By the time Scout starts taking orders I expect pretty good coverage. Needing to unhitch a trailer to charge is the only reason I am considering a Harvester. If Walmart delivers on these plans and there are pull through chargers available along my routes, I will probably change my order to a non-Harvester BEV.

 

[Slipshod]

What if you did not have to unhitch to charge? Is that the only reason? Or just one of many?

I also have a Harvester reserved for just this reason (needing to unhitch to charge), but Walmart has released info about their plans to add chargers (

) and this will include chargers that offer pull through stalls. Walmart exec claims that 50% of their stores will have chargers by the end of 2025. By the time Scout starts taking orders I expect pretty good coverage. Needing to unhitch a trailer to charge is the only reason I am considering a Harvester. If Walmart delivers on these plans and there are pull through chargers available along my routes, I will probably change my order to a non-Harvester BEV.

Lack of pull-through is a big part of it, but being able to refill the "generator" while boondocking and being able to go to Alaska are desirable. Though I might just do a long-term rental when I finally end up doing Alaska.

I also don't expect the pull-throughs to hit remote areas quickly.

 

[Slipshod]

This may be true in your case, but not everyone's case. Pure EV trucks can be excellent for frequent and repeated hauling of things like boats for example (back and forth to the ramp), equipment trailers (job site to job site) or even basic homeowner needs like trailering to the dump. I envision more and more contractors / landscapers / trades people using EV trucks for daily trailering. It will just be far cheaper over time and they can charge up at end of day and overnight and be ready to roll out again the following morning. My only point being that Towing with an EV absolutely has its use-cases.

Not everyone is continuously using their trucks to tow for hundreds of miles at a time. Of course if you are long-hauling, you will absolutely be required to stop & charge more frequently, just as you will need to re-fuel more often in an ICE vehicle while towing.

Let me be more clear. The unhappy people have a specific use case we were excited about, and we're complaining because it looks like they are revising the specs towards no longer meeting that use case. We're hoping that the production team (who seems to read here) will see there's enough of us that they'll consider including our needs in the final design.

Everyone trying to bring up other use cases that "work fine" aren't helping. I have no bias against EVs (I'm on my second one), I don't need to be educated, and I'm not interested in arguing about this. I just want the production team to understand that towing a camper/trailer with an ERV is an important use case to some people. Maybe there's enough of us for it to be valuable to make, maybe not. If not, I'll be cancelling my pre-order and looking at alternatives.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

Let me be more clear. The unhappy people have a specific use case we were excited about, and we're complaining because it looks like they are revising the specs towards no longer meeting that use case. We're hoping that the production team (who seems to read here) will see there's enough of us that they'll consider including our needs in the final design.

Everyone trying to bring up other use cases that "work fine" aren't helping. I have no bias against EVs (I'm on my second one), I don't need to be educated, and I'm not interested in arguing about this. I just want the production team to understand that towing a camper/trailer with an ERV is an important use case to some people. Maybe there's enough of us for it to be valuable to make, maybe not. If not, I'll be cancelling my pre-order and looking at alternatives.

Totally understand. Quick question. Does the proposed Dodge ERV fit your needs?

 

[R1TVT]

Let me be more clear. The unhappy people have a specific use case we were excited about, and we're complaining because it looks like they are revising the specs towards no longer meeting that use case. We're hoping that the production team (who seems to read here) will see there's enough of us that they'll consider including our needs in the final design.

Everyone trying to bring up other use cases that "work fine" aren't helping. I have no bias against EVs (I'm on my second one), I don't need to be educated, and I'm not interested in arguing about this. I just want the production team to understand that towing a camper/trailer with an ERV is an important use case to some people. Maybe there's enough of us for it to be valuable to make, maybe not. If not, I'll be cancelling my pre-order and looking at alternatives.

100% understood, and certainly making your case here for others to see is fine.

Let me be more clear - I was simply clarifying your statement, which said "towing with an EV is a non-starter" because that is not true. Towing with an EV is a non-starter for you (which I understand, since you don't want to be inconvenienced). Not everyone is towing to Alaska or over 100's of miles. Most of the people that tow where I live are ONLY towing in a radius of about 50 miles, and usually under 50, so an EV could be an excellent option, in this particular case.

If it were me and I were towing a ~10K+ trailer regularly for 100's of miles, I would buy another 2500HD. I would rather have more buffer on tow rating and tow on a 2500 platform more specifically engineered for heavier loads, but that is just my own opinion based on a lifetime of towing.