Harvester towing

[mbeadnell]

I would strongly suggest the harvester model towing more than 5k. This is going to be a deal breaker for most people and cause a lot of cancelled reservations. My opinion but I would not have announced something like this without all the details
In place to make a firm stance. This has created a lot of confusion and speculation and as a result many cancelled reservations. I would like to see the Terra at least able
To tow 7500 at minimum and the traveler at 5000k minimum. It makes no sense for both the tow the same with one able
To tow nearly 3k more on the pure ev models. This is just my suggestion. Keeping the price within the mentioned amount during announcement I hope is possible to have the towing range increased ( 7500 for Terra 5000 for traveler) that’s my suggestion and opinion.

 

[R1TVT]

A lot of drama. Not everything is for everyone, but we don't even have a final production spec at this early stage. Not sure why people get bent out of shape - particularly b/c unless you OWN the company, nobody will ever be building the precise truck (just for you). The goal is for companies to fill the niches, which then allows a buyer to come as close to possible to fill their needs. Scout is filling an important niche with clear goals and aspirations targeted toward a spot they see as open & GROWING (mainly b/c the big 3 have failed, dilly dallied or produced lackluster EV's to date). Good news, everyone can choose what they want in a free country.

As for the RAM being well-ahead of Scout, Stellantis continues to flounder & inspire such low confidence. Just this month they have delayed the Ramcharger yet again: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a64781518/ram-ramcharger-1500-rev-delayed-again/

 

[AlanL]

A lot of drama. Not everything is for everyone, but we don't even have a final production spec at this early stage. Not sure why people get bent out of shape - particularly b/c unless you OWN the company, nobody will ever be building the precise truck (just for you). The goal is for companies to fill the niches, which then allows a buyer to come as close to possible to fill their needs. Scout is filling an important niche with clear goals and aspirations targeted toward a spot they see as open & GROWING (mainly b/c the big 3 have failed, dilly dallied or produced lackluster EV's to date). Good news, everyone can choose what they want in a free country.

As for the RAM being well-ahead of Scout, Stellantis continues to flounder & inspire such low confidence. Just this month they have delayed the Ramcharger yet again: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a64781518/ram-ramcharger-1500-rev-delayed-again/

I think the drama in this case is mostly warranted. It seems like most of the commenters are saying they would have been interested in the Terra Harvester but not if it can only tow 5000 lbs. Maybe SM has a good reason for that and are willing to forego those sales.

I agree that saying the Terra Harvester will be a failure with a 5000 lb towing capacity goes to far. And that folks should hang on to their reservations until official numbers are announced.

 

[J Alynn]

A lot of drama. Not everything is for everyone, but we don't even have a final production spec at this early stage. Not sure why people get bent out of shape - particularly b/c unless you OWN the company, nobody will ever be building the precise truck (just for you). The goal is for companies to fill the niches, which then allows a buyer to come as close to possible to fill their needs. Scout is filling an important niche with clear goals and aspirations targeted toward a spot they see as open & GROWING (mainly b/c the big 3 have failed, dilly dallied or produced lackluster EV's to date). Good news, everyone can choose what they want in a free country.

As for the RAM being well-ahead of Scout, Stellantis continues to flounder & inspire such low confidence. Just this month they have delayed the Ramcharger yet again: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a64781518/ram-ramcharger-1500-rev-delayed-again/

In this instance I agree with you. SM has never marketed the vehicles as heavy haulers. They are 8 day a week and off road capable. They’ve never said the Terra is the alternative for 5th wheel trailer towing. While the bed may not be full length most contractors (the reason Ford F150 is like the number one selling vehicle in the U.S. ) don’t need a full bed. Supply companies deliver 99% of goods to the job site. Like @R1TVT said, they are filling a particular niche while appealing to as many buyers as possible-that’s how the company becomes successful. It’s never been promoted as a 3/4 ton truck. SM is launching with 2 vehicle models-2! They’ve never aren’t Ford with 20 some models and worldwide sales. They have to succeed with 2 models. Audi and BMW could not survive if the each offered their mid size convertible and a small SUV. The volume of their other vehicles allows them to produce small numbers because it’s a niche vehicle very few manufacturers can afford to or are willing to produce. From a business standpoint they’ve made the absolute best decision for the success of SM. You can change components (as most will anyway) for off-roading. You can (more likely than not) buy an aftermarket bed extender after the fact. And if you must have a Scout and need the heavier tow capacity get the BEV because plenty of folks here have provided real life experiences that say it will work the majority of the time.

 

[Chavannigans]

In this instance I agree with you. SM has never marketed the vehicles as heavy haulers. They are 8 day a week and off road capable. They’ve never said the Terra is the alternative for 5th wheel trailer towing. While the bed may not be full length most contractors (the reason Ford F150 is like the number one selling vehicle in the U.S. ) don’t need a full bed. Supply companies deliver 99% of goods to the job site. Like @R1TVT said, they are filling a particular niche while appealing to as many buyers as possible-that’s how the company becomes successful. It’s never been promoted as a 3/4 ton truck. SM is launching with 2 vehicle models-2! They’ve never aren’t Ford with 20 some models and worldwide sales. They have to succeed with 2 models. Audi and BMW could not survive if the each offered their mid size convertible and a small SUV. The volume of their other vehicles allows them to produce small numbers because it’s a niche vehicle very few manufacturers can afford to or are willing to produce. From a business standpoint they’ve made the absolute best decision for the success of SM. You can change components (as most will anyway) for off-roading. You can (more likely than not) buy an aftermarket bed extender after the fact. And if you must have a Scout and need the heavier tow capacity get the BEV because plenty of folks here have provided real life experiences that say it will work the majority of the time.

I mean they kind of have “READY FOR TOWING” in huge orange letters on the website. It’s one of the first things you see on the Terra page…

I don’t understand why people are coping by saying things like “Scout isn’t marketing it as a tow vehicle” when they clearly are.

We obviously need to wait and see how this goes when they release finalized numbers, but people who are saying the 5,000lb towing capacity caught them off guard are completely warranted for feeling that way.

This subject is getting bizarrely tribal and I don’t understand why some people dismiss the concerns of others that want to have reasonable towing capacity like other offerings in the segment. If you never plan to tow with it, cool. But don’t shame other people for having totally reasonable expectations.

The TRD Pro Tacoma is a much smaller hybrid offroad focused truck and can pull 6,000lbs despite not being marketed as a towing vehicle. Nobody is expecting one ton figures so there is no need to act like this is a “wrong tool for the job”.

 

[cyure]

I mean they kind of have “READY FOR TOWING” in huge orange letters on the website. It’s one of the first things you see on the Terra page…
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I don’t understand why people are coping by saying things like “Scout isn’t marketing it as a tow vehicle” when they clearly are.

We obviously need to wait and see how this goes when they release finalized numbers, but people who are saying the 5,000lb towing capacity caught them off guard are completely warranted for feeling that way.

This subject is getting bizarrely tribal and I don’t understand why some people dismiss the concerns of others that want to have reasonable towing capacity like other offerings in the segment. If you never plan to tow with it, cool. But don’t shame other people for having totally reasonable expectations.

The TRD Pro Tacoma is a much smaller hybrid offroad focused truck and can pull 6,000lbs despite not being marketed as a towing vehicle. Nobody is expecting one ton figures so there is no need to act like this is a “wrong tool for the job”.

I have no dog in this fight as they say. Never towed. Don’t plan on starting.

I just don’t want anyone feeling they don’t have a place on this forum. This is for all of us to make our wishes known. I’m certain SM wants to be competitive in this space. That goes for every aspect of the Scouts, range, capabilities, features. All of it.

I am just continuing to put my faith in them. From reveal to the latest off-road options they showed last week they have knocked it out of the park every time.

I will say what I frequently say on here. I hope everyone gets what they want and options and trim packages that will work for them. Unfortunately, we just have to have patience at this point and that can be hard to do.

I hope everyone is enjoying their Sunday.

 

[J Alynn]

I’m not saying they can’t tow but there’s been a lot of suggestions on the forum for these vehicles to tow very large and heavy trailers which a truck like the Terra isn’t intended to tow. The majority of the advertising is off-road capable and 8 day a week. As a kid my dad used our Scout to tow a dual outboard motor boat (28- or 32’-somewhere in that range) on many a weekend from central PA to the Chesapeake. So Scouts should be able to tow and I certainly see the value in towing but SM isn’t showing images of large trailers. Yet people are still edging up trailers, etc…to the point they should realistically be looking at 3/4 ton but rather they are upset the Scout won’t handle heavy load towing. I’ve mentioned multiple times that short of occasional utility trailer I won’t need to tow so like @cyure said I too have no dog in this fight, but it’s back to the discussion that these vehicles have to accommodate the largest buyer pool possible or SM will struggle for years to become profitable. Obviously there are outliers at every spectrum who won’t get what they want but providing a vehicle with option capabilities to satisfy 90% of buyers is a win. Maybe not for the 10%’s but the majority.

 

[cyure]

I’m not saying they can’t tow but there’s been a lot of suggestions on the forum for these vehicles to tow very large and heavy trailers which a truck like the Terra isn’t intended to tow. The majority of the advertising is off-road capable and 8 day a week. As a kid my dad used our Scout to tow a dual outboard motor boat (28- or 32’-somewhere in that range) on many a weekend from central PA to the Chesapeake. So Scouts should be able to tow and I certainly see the value in towing but SM isn’t showing images of large trailers. Yet people are still edging up trailers, etc…to the point they should realistically be looking at 3/4 ton but rather they are upset the Scout won’t handle heavy load towing. I’ve mentioned multiple times that short of occasional utility trailer I won’t need to tow so like @cyure said I too have no dog in this fight, but it’s back to the discussion that these vehicles have to accommodate the largest buyer pool possible or SM will struggle for years to become profitable. Obviously there are outliers at every spectrum who won’t get what they want but providing a vehicle with option capabilities to satisfy 90% of buyers is a win. Maybe not for the 10%’s but the majority.

And the other thing that just came to my mind is these are the first two offerings from Scout. At some point there will be more models and speculation seems to be next is a 3 Row. They have to start somewhere and then branch out from there.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[cyure]

Okay just to provide a little bit of levity here. I saw this the other day. Someone in Missouri tried to tow a mobile home with a Ford SUV!

 

[Chavannigans]

I’m not saying they can’t tow but there’s been a lot of suggestions on the forum for these vehicles to tow very large and heavy trailers which a truck like the Terra isn’t intended to tow. The majority of the advertising is off-road capable and 8 day a week. As a kid my dad used our Scout to tow a dual outboard motor boat (28- or 32’-somewhere in that range) on many a weekend from central PA to the Chesapeake. So Scouts should be able to tow and I certainly see the value in towing but SM isn’t showing images of large trailers. Yet people are still edging up trailers, etc…to the point they should realistically be looking at 3/4 ton but rather they are upset the Scout won’t handle heavy load towing. I’ve mentioned multiple times that short of occasional utility trailer I won’t need to tow so like @cyure said I too have no dog in this fight, but it’s back to the discussion that these vehicles have to accommodate the largest buyer pool possible or SM will struggle for years to become profitable. Obviously there are outliers at every spectrum who won’t get what they want but providing a vehicle with option capabilities to satisfy 90% of buyers is a win. Maybe not for the 10%’s but the majority.

Again, it’s right there on the top of the Terra page. That directly conflicts with this narrative of not being a towing focused vehicle. I normally agree with your opinion but Im not sure why you insist on doubling down on this issue when the data isn’t there to support it.

Nobody is trying to tow the Exxon Valdez. Calm down dude. 7,500lbs is a perfectly reasonable expectation. If Scout wants to be financially successful they will need to appeal to MORE people, not less.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Okay just to provide a little bit of levity here. I saw this the other day. Someone in Missouri tried to tow a mobile home with a Ford SUV!

If it had been AZ, I would have asked if the driver had a big white beard. Sounds like something my late father would have done. I’ve welded a tow hitch to a Chevy Chevette to tow a water trailer.
The power train isn’t the limiting factor in towing. Never has been.
I’ve used both of these vehicles for towing things way beyond their capacity. I don’t recommend towing with the Chevette.

 

[Chavannigans]

Was searching for images of the Terra towing and came across this. It’s the only photo I could find of one pulling anything.

Lightship is using a render of the Terra on this web page. I’m not sure if this means anything at all or how permissions for using vehicles like this in promotional material works.

AE.1 Cosmos Edition

Lightship is the first American all-electric recreational vehicle company bringing travel trailers into the electric age.

lightshiprv.com

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I have no dog in this fight as they say. Never towed. Don’t plan on starting.

I just don’t want anyone feeling they don’t have a place on this forum. This is for all of us to make our wishes known. I’m certain SM wants to be competitive in this space. That goes for every aspect of the Scouts, range, capabilities, features. All of it.

I am just continuing to put my faith in them. From reveal to the latest off-road options they showed last week they have knocked it out of the park every time.

I will say what I frequently say on here. I hope everyone gets what they want and options and trim packages that will work for them. Unfortunately, we just have to have patience at this point and that can be hard to do.

I hope everyone is enjoying their Sunday.

This is the real issue regarding the drama.
The Scout will never be all things to all people, but unless the person is being an a-hole, they should feel welcome to talk about the vehicle and even say what they feel would make it a better vehicle—even when they say it with an authority that may not be theirs in an objective sense.

Whenever a new vehicle is being designed and built, the forums fill with people who are certain they know what the vehicle will be capable of. That’s mostly projection of their desires into the voids created by engineers not having finalized designs and communications not having made it out to the public. Most of those people are disappointed by the final vehicle. And many of them make the same old compromises we make when we buy any vehicle.

The Scouts will be capable of towing. How much? Somewhere between 5k and 10k is my guess based on the best information available.
I bet there will be one trim/options package with a lot less of the ruggedization/lifestyle appearance that will meet the 10k towing capacity.
I bet there will be several in the 7k to 9k towing capacity.
I bet the most rugged-looking Harvester with all the gear will be in the 5k towing capacity.
The tires will be part of what limits the tow capacity.
The Harvester will limit tow capacity.
The spare tire mount and tire hanging well beyond the tow hitch will limit tow capacity.
Accessories will limit tow capacity.

My 10k tow-capable F-150 Lightning is actually limited by Ford's fine print to <9k because it doesn’t have the extra battery/motor cooling loop (which cost an extra several thousand and was difficult to find) and it came from the factory with minivan soft tires.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

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Was searching for images of the Terra towing and came across this. It’s the only photo I could find of one pulling anything.

Lightship is using a render of the Terra on this web page. I’m not sure if this means anything at all or how permissions for using vehicles like this in promotional material works.

AE.1 Cosmos Edition

Lightship is the first American all-electric recreational vehicle company bringing travel trailers into the electric age.

lightshiprv.com

I saw one of the Lightships on its way to Flagstaff a few weeks ago. I was going the opposite direction and didn’t have a chance to see what was towing it, but I think it was a Rivian.

 

[Chavannigans]

This is the real issue regarding the drama.
The Scout will never be all things to all people, but unless the person is being an a-hole, they should feel welcome to talk about the vehicle and even say what they feel would make it a better vehicle—even when they say it with an authority that may not be theirs in an objective sense.

Whenever a new vehicle is being designed and built, the forums fill with people who are certain they know what the vehicle will be capable of. That’s mostly projection of their desires into the voids created by engineers not having finalized designs and communications not having made it out to the public. Most of those people are disappointed by the final vehicle. And many of them make the same old compromises we make when we buy any vehicle.

The Scouts will be capable of towing. How much? Somewhere between 5k and 10k is my guess based on the best information available.
I bet there will be one trim/options package with a lot less of the ruggedization/lifestyle appearance that will meet the 10k towing capacity.
I bet there will be several in the 7k to 9k towing capacity.
I bet the most rugged-looking Harvester with all the gear will be in the 5k towing capacity.
The tires will be part of what limits the tow capacity.
The Harvester will limit tow capacity.
The spare tire mount and tire hanging well beyond the tow hitch will limit tow capacity.
Accessories will limit tow capacity.

My 10k tow-capable F-150 Lightning is actually limited by Ford's fine print to <9k because it doesn’t have the extra battery/motor cooling loop (which cost an extra several thousand and was difficult to find) and it came from the factory with minivan soft tires.

I just checked the Payload Capacity on the Lightnings. It looks like 2,235lbs on the Pro with standard battery and 1,800 on the higher trims with the extended battery.

Max Towing is 5,000lbs on the standard battery and 7,700lbs on the extended range

Max towing with Max Trailer Tow package is 7,700lbs with standard battery and 10,000lbs on XLT/Lariat and 8,500lbs on the Platinum.

I get that higher end trims add weight so capacity’s drop, but was surprised to see the heavier extended battery models without the Max Trailer Tow Package still got a 2,700lb bump over the standard battery.

Maybe that’s an LFP vs NMC limitation more so than suspension and drivetrain?

I saw one of the Lightships on its way to Flagstaff a few weeks ago. I was going the opposite direction and didn’t have a chance to see what was towing it, but I think it was a Rivian.

That is awesome!

I’d love to see some real world testing with that setup. (Not that I could ever afford both )

Hopefully TFL Truck can find a Rivian to tow a Lightship up Ike’s Gauntlet so Andre can spend most of the video talking about price of both compared to an Earth Roamer

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I just checked the Payload Capacity on the Lightnings. It looks like 2,235lbs on the Pro with standard battery and 1,800 on the higher trims with the extended battery.

Max Towing is 5,000lbs on the standard battery and 7,700lbs on the extended range

Max towing with Max Trailer Tow package is 7,700lbs with standard battery and 10,000lbs on XLT/Lariat and 8,500lbs on the Platinum.

I get that higher end trims add weight so capacity’s drop, but was surprised to see the heavier extended battery models without the Max Trailer Tow Package still got a 2,700lb bump over the standard battery.

Maybe that’s an LFP vs NMC limitation more so than suspension and drivetrain?

This is the thing that people who tow but don’t investigate the systems don’t really seem to get: The advertised rating is almost always limited to one or two trims. It’s never the tow rating of every vehicle in the lineup. The Scouts will have tow ratings ranging from 5k to 10k, but I suspect only one, maybe two will reach the 10k towing capacity and only if the buyer is willing 1) spend more and 2) give up some things.

The Lightning only came with an NMC battery the first several years and the towing was still limited.

Here are the tables from 2023, before they added an LFP battery option.

The tow packages matter, and Ford chose two similar, unfortunate names: trailer tow package and max tow package. The first allows above 5000 pounds and includes a 2” 11,600 pound hitch receiver; the second includes battery/motor cooling loop and a reinforced 2” receiver for a maximum of 14,000 pounds. But the type of hitch also matters. A weight distributing hitch allows the trailer tongue load to be transferred back to the trailer axle and to the front tow vehicle axle, so the rear GAWR isn’t surpassed.

The reduction in capacity for the Lightning is load (battery), tires, tongue weight (battery), cooling capability (optional package). The larger battery comes with more cooling and a higher allowable discharge rate (more amps to the motors) than the standard range battery. The max tow package, only available with the extended range battery comes with yet another additional cooling loop.

But also note that the 10k towing cannot be achieved without the right tires. And unfortunately the door sticker that limits the legal load capacity is based on the OEM factory tires. My truck was not special ordered by me so it came with crap tires. Going by the sticker, I’m limited to a lower tow capacity. I will be replacing my OEM tires with real LT tires at some point, and the truck will handle better for truck things, including towing, but if I’m ever in a position where I have to justify towing a heavy load and it exceeds the door jamb sticker….

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

That is awesome!

I’d love to see some real world testing with that setup. (Not that I could ever afford both )

Hopefully TFL Truck can find a Rivian to tow a Lightship up Ike’s Gauntlet so Andre can spend most of the video talking about price of both compared to an Earth Roamer

I’ll never be able to afford a Lightship, and I don’t trust powered axles on a trailer, so I don’t really want one. I still think the tech is kinda neat!

 

[Chavannigans]

This is the thing that people who tow but don’t investigate the systems don’t really seem to get: The advertised rating is almost always limited to one or two trims. It’s never the tow rating of every vehicle in the lineup. The Scouts will have tow ratings ranging from 5k to 10k, but I suspect only one, maybe two will reach the 10k towing capacity and only if the buyer is willing 1) spend more and 2) give up some things.

The Lightning only came with an NMC battery the first several years and the towing was still limited.

Here are the tables from 2023, before they added an LFP battery option.

The tow packages matter, and Ford chose two similar, unfortunate names: trailer tow package and max tow package. The first allows above 5000 pounds and includes a 2” 11,600 pound hitch receiver; the second includes battery/motor cooling loop and a reinforced 2” receiver for a maximum of 14,000 pounds. But the type of hitch also matters. A weight distributing hitch allows the trailer tongue load to be transferred back to the trailer axle and to the front tow vehicle axle, so the rear GAWR isn’t surpassed.

The reduction in capacity for the Lightning is load (battery), tires, tongue weight (battery), cooling capability (optional package). The larger battery comes with more cooling and a higher allowable discharge rate (more amps to the motors) than the standard range battery. The max tow package, only available with the extended range battery comes with yet another additional cooling loop.

But also note that the 10k towing cannot be achieved without the right tires. And unfortunately the door sticker that limits the legal load capacity is based on the OEM factory tires. My truck was not special ordered by me so it came with crap tires. Going by the sticker, I’m limited to a lower tow capacity. I will be replacing my OEM tires with real LT tires at some point, and the truck will handle better for truck things, including towing, but if I’m ever in a position where I have to justify towing a heavy load and it exceeds the door jamb sticker….


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Sounds like buying a stock base level Terra and adding all the extra accessories after the fact will give the higher door number sticker for the Max Towing Capacity and the offroad stuff too.

(I’m kidding, please don’t do this)

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Sounds like buying a stock base level Terra and adding all the extra accessories after the fact will give the higher door number sticker for the Max Towing Capacity and the offroad stuff too.

(I’m kidding, please don’t do this)

It’s not exactly unreasonable. Getting the maximum tow capability out of the vehicle is fine if you also keep track of and limit the weight of all the accessories and etc. If you’re willing to take all that crap off when you’re towing, then you’re not doing anything wrong. If you leave 1500 pounds of stuff on the truck while also towing, then you’re not doing it right.

Note that the standard method for calculating GVWR and GCWR assumes a 150 pound driver and 150 pound passenger… How many people know that’s the standard?

 

[Chavannigans]

It’s not exactly unreasonable. Getting the maximum tow capability out of the vehicle is fine if you also keep track of and limit the weight of all the accessories and etc. If you’re willing to take all that crap off when you’re towing, then you’re not doing anything wrong. If you leave 1500 pounds of stuff on the truck while also towing, then you’re not doing it right.

Note that the standard method for calculating GVWR and GCWR assumes a 150 pound driver and 150 pound passenger… How many people know that’s the standard?

I think almost all "overlanders" are guilty of this.

The usual build consists of steel sliders, steel front and belly skidplates, steel front bumpers with a winch and steel winch line, second batteries, steel fuel tank skid plate, steel rear bumper with a tire and gas tank hanging off.

They check the door sticker and think the rest of their crap that goes inside or on the roof needs to stay under that stickers capacity. A roof top tent, fridge, a weekends worth of gear and a few friends will have you WAY over payload capacity since all that armor is probably exceeding it anyways. Generally slapping some heavier springs in there and calling it a day is how they handle it here in the US.


We are lucky we dont live in Australia. They will pull you over randomly and weigh your rig and trailer on the side of the road. They do not mess around about public safety and if you are exceeding your vehicles capacity some areas will fine you over $1,000! No probable cause needed and it applies to small pop up campers all the way up to the big boys.

Police Roadside Caravan Safety Inspections - GoRV

Caravan safety. If you don't take it seriously, ensuring your caravan isn't too heavy for your tow vehicle, you could get fined.

www.gorv.com.au

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I think almost all "overlanders" are guilty of this.

Sliders, steel front and belly skidplates, steel front bumpers with a winch and steel winch line, second batteries, steel fuel tank skid plate, steel rear bumper with a tire and gas tank hanging off.

They check the door sticker and think the rest of their crap that goes inside or on the roof needs to stay under that stickers capacity. A roof top tent, fridge, a weekends worth of gear and a few friends will have you WAY over payload capacity. Generally slapping some heavier springs in there and calling it a day is how they handle it here in the US.


We are lucky we dont live in Australia. They will pull you over randomly and weigh your rig and trailer on the side of the road. They do not mess around about public safety and if you are exceeding your vehicles capacity some areas will fine you over $1,000! No probable cause needed and it applies to small pop up campers all the way up to the big boys.

Police Roadside Caravan Safety Inspections - GoRV

Caravan safety. If you don't take it seriously, ensuring your caravan isn't too heavy for your tow vehicle, you could get fined.

www.gorv.com.au

Exactly. And I think they have it right because personal responsibility is fine but not when it’s taken after someone else is hurt.

Also, as you note, all of Scout’s advertised offroad capabilities (skid plates, sliders, bumpers, winch, etc., etc, etc) will reduce the available capacity for load and towing. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised that the maximum tow capacity they see advertised is not realistically the tow capacity they can safely utilize when they’ve added 1000 pounds of steel and aluminum onto their vehicle from the factory.