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[R1TVT]

Keep in mind that features inside a vehicle are generally configurable and completely optional. Enable what you want - at least in all of the trucks that I have owned recently don't mandate me to turn everything on.

I have no idea what the InsideEV article said, but the current iteration of Rivian's Assistant does not work unless you OPT-IN, and it certainly would not make ACP obsolete unless Rivian natively supported all ACP apps directly through the Rivian Infotainment System. Yes, I have native Spotify in my R1T, which is great - but there is no WAZE, for example.

I'm so uninterested in ai slop in my vehicles that this probably removes Rivian from my shopping list.

Rivian's AI implementation is quite good, based on my limited use & interaction with it (since it was just released). Based on the ability to call the assistant (hands-free) and use it to perform multiple tasks at once, it has not only been convenient, but I would also consider it to be a less distracting way to perform certain tasks. I would say AI can be a safety improvement for drivers if implemented well. Have you used it?

When I hear the term "AI slop" I equate that with results (not AI systems)... Humans conveying, relaying or using sloppy results that are rendered from AI... To me, that is where the slop is.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Keep in mind that features inside a vehicle are generally configurable and completely optional. Enable what you want - at least in all of the trucks that I have owned recently don't mandate me to turn everything on.

I have no idea what the InsideEV article said, but the current iteration of Rivian's Assistant does not work unless you OPT-IN, and it certainly would not make ACP obsolete unless Rivian natively supported all ACP apps directly through the Rivian Infotainment System. Yes, I have native Spotify in my R1T, which is great - but there is no WAZE, for example.


Rivian's AI implementation is quite good, based on my limited use & interaction with it (since it was just released). Based on the ability to call the assistant (hands-free) and use it to perform multiple tasks at once, it has not only been convenient, but I would also consider it to be a less distracting way to perform certain tasks. I would say AI can be a safety improvement for drivers if implemented well. Have you used it?

When I hear the term "AI slop" I equate that with results (not AI systems)... Humans conveying, relaying or using sloppy results that are rendered from AI... To me, that is where the slop is.

I think what he’s talking is that it does effectively force you into it by not giving you an alternative. E.g. everyone saying they want CarPlay, Rivs response is you can use AI instead, so CarPlay is not an option. Same with physical controls. Your choice is menus on a touch screen or AI, no buttons allowed. Most folks would have no problem if they were actually given a choice, but that’s not what rivian is providing. They’re saying “you’ll use ai and you’ll like it, so we’re declaring a war on buttons”, partially to save money, but mostly to force users to do things the way Rivian thinks they should, not the way the customer wants to.

I think the term AI Slop has broader meaning, including the current trend to push it everywhere, even when it doesn’t make sense. Yes, if implemented well it can contribute to safety, but the whole thing is very complex and needs much more careful consideration than is typical from the tech bro crowd.

 

[R1TVT]

I think what he’s talking is that it does effectively force you into it by not giving you an alternative. E.g. everyone saying they want CarPlay, Rivs response is you can use AI instead, so CarPlay is not an option. Same with physical controls. Your choice is menus on a touch screen or AI, no buttons allowed. Most folks would have no problem if they were actually given a choice, but that’s not what rivian is providing. They’re saying “you’ll use ai and you’ll like it, so we’re declaring a war on buttons”, partially to save money, but mostly to force users to do things the way Rivian thinks they should, not the way the customer wants to.

I think the term AI Slop has broader meaning, including the current trend to push it everywhere, even when it doesn’t make sense. Yes, if implemented well it can contribute to safety, but the whole thing is very complex and needs much more careful consideration than is typical from the tech bro crowd.

Yep, your choice. If you believe what GM, Rivian and Tesla believe, you won't be getting ACP. So, if you think ACP is a critical feature that you can't live without, there is no mandate here either. You can choose to buy a different truck.

I was an ACP user prior to getting my R1T, and I knew I would miss it, but it wasn't a deal-breaker by any stretch. I would still love to see ACP implemented. I've made it 4+ years so far without ACP integration (I still run WAZE in the background from my phone, and while Rivian's nav has drastically improved with OTA's, I still like WAZE). Without ACP integration WAZE can't read native truck or telemetry data - WAZE doesn't know my SOC (for example) and won't route me to a charger, so Rivian's built-in NAV w/ trip planning is very useful on the infotainment screen.

If you read my post again - you will see that I do NOT believe Rivian's AI Assistant is a replacement for ACP. I see them as two mutually exclusive things entirely. And if you are an Apple User in a truck without ACP, there is also nothing preventing you from using Siri on your iPhone instead of whatever the OEM is offering.

Maybe we need another poll. Will you still buy a Scout without ACP or AA? I would.

 

[robothero]

https://insideevs.com/news/797244/rivian-apple-carplay-obsolete-ai/

I 100000% disagree with Rivian.

I don’t want to talk to my vehicle for basic tasks. I’m not opposed to better voice recognition. I just don’t want that to be the primary interface.

I dont want have to interrupt a conversation to change a temperature, wake up a sleeping kid on a road trip because I want to change the volume, or anything like that.

I don't want to talk to my car.

 

[cyure]

Yep, your choice. If you believe what GM, Rivian and Tesla believe, you won't be getting ACP. So, if you think ACP is a critical feature that you can't live without, there is no mandate here either. You can choose to buy a different truck.

I was an ACP user prior to getting my R1T, and I knew I would miss it, but it wasn't a deal-breaker by any stretch. I would still love to see ACP implemented. I've made it 4+ years so far without ACP integration (I still run WAZE in the background from my phone, and while Rivian's nav has drastically improved with OTA's, I still like WAZE). Without ACP integration WAZE can't read native truck or telemetry data - WAZE doesn't know my SOC (for example) and won't route me to a charger, so Rivian's built-in NAV w/ trip planning is very useful on the infotainment screen.

If you read my post again - you will see that I do NOT believe Rivian's AI Assistant is a replacement for ACP. I see them as two mutually exclusive things entirely. And if you are an Apple User in a truck without ACP, there is also nothing preventing you from using Siri on your iPhone instead of whatever the OEM is offering.

Maybe we need another poll. Will you still buy a Scout without ACP or AA? I would.

We do need that poll, but from the answers I see SM providing to questions on Instagram it seems to me they will have CarPlay, they just haven’t announced it officially yet.

 

[robothero]

I've never used Rivian's navigation but I can guarantee Waze is 100x better.

 

[R1TVT]

We do need that poll, but from the answers I see SM providing to questions on Instagram it seems to me they will have CarPlay, they just haven’t announced it officially yet.

Correct - unconfirmed still, as far as I know:

 

[R1TVT]

I've never used Rivian's navigation but I can guarantee Waze is 100x better.

Have you used Google Maps? https://stories.rivian.com/navigation-software-rivian-googlemaps-partnership

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

We will support phone mirroring. There are licensing fees associated with officially saying which phones, so we can't officially say yet.

 

[speedrye]

Have you used Google Maps? https://stories.rivian.com/navigation-software-rivian-googlemaps-partnership

I'd never used Google Maps for navigation until a month ago using Android Auto in a Toyota rental. I would've been better off finding things with a phone book and paper map. Truly horrible. I use Google Maps all the time for finding places on my PC and such, so I was shocked at how bad it was implemented in my AA use of it. It couldn't find long-standing restaurants, hotels, car dealerships, etc and didn't know one-way streets, all of which are easily found in regular Google Maps. No clue what was wrong, but I'm hoping other implementations are better. At least it was accurate in telling me where police were!

 

[robothero]

Have you used Google Maps? https://stories.rivian.com/navigation-software-rivian-googlemaps-partnership

I have- its the default in our Volvo so if I don't have my phone plugged in I'll use it. Waze offeres a number of features that aren't there though- specifically "live" traffic/hazard/police updates and rerouting which have honestly been a lifesaver more than once.

 

[J Alynn]

We do need that poll, but from the answers I see SM providing to questions on Instagram it seems to me they will have CarPlay, they just haven’t announced it officially yet.

Didnt have to do with licensing agreement and not starting sooner than they had too? Or am I imagining things?

 

[J Alynn]

Didnt have to do with licensing agreement and not starting sooner than they had too? Or am I imagining things?

Nevermind. Should have read further to see Jamie’s response

 

[cyure]

Nevermind. Should have read further to see Jamie’s response

So I think we can put that question to bed. Yes with the caveat that it won’t be officially announced until closer to launch.

 

[robothero]

If I end up pulling the trigger on the R2 I'll definitely pay extra to install the carplay 3rd party thing.