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[6-ScoutFamily]

I was thinking in general terms as to the merits of each depending on expected usage.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

IMO, Yes. But.
I haven't found a great AS in the size I want and load range required. For the Lightning, 116S is the lowest load index I would put on the truck. There aren't a lot of great options outside of ATs. And as you go to a higher load index, the tires get a lot heavier. I would like an LT Touring kind of tire, but they can be 25% heavier, which adds a lot of rotational inertia.

Good points. And my range anxiety may be kicking in as well.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Good points. And my range anxiety may be kicking in as well.

It probably is.

In my research, I've found that tread type isn't as important as sidewall construction. So, while I would like an AS, they're generally not as rigid in the sidewall as we need. So you end up trading out a minor impact on range (tread) for a greater impact (sidewall flexure) and end up with a more wobbly tire on turns and etc. And you lose cargo and towing capacity.

I'd like an AS built for EV trucks, but they're hard to find.

 

[J Alynn]

IMO, Yes. But.
I haven't found a great AS in the size I want and load range required. For the Lightning, 116S is the lowest load index I would put on the truck. There aren't a lot of great options outside of ATs. And as you go to a higher load index, the tires get a lot heavier. I would like an LT Touring kind of tire, but they can be 25% heavier, which adds a lot of rotational inertia.

Two years to go. Maybe new tire development t will be announced prior to with more EV trucks online maybe something is in development ?

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Two years to go. Maybe new tire development t will be announced prior to with more EV trucks online maybe something is in development ?

Maybe. But I'm a pessimist. Fortunately, tires are something that don't necessarily need as much testing and verification by the manufacturer as, say, batteries...

 

[Logan]

Wasn’t sure where to put this but it seemed appropriate, so if I’m stepping on toes—sorry.
I drive a 2010 ICE Highlander. The Terra will replace this vehicle.

From September 8th to today (22 days), here is my driving cost.
Total mileage=507
Total gasoline used=29.62 gallons; making that a 17.1mpg average.
Total cost of gas=$80.86
Average cost/gallon = $2.72-9

If I assume 2miles/kw on a Scout Terra, that would be 253.5kw used. (507/2)
253.5kw x $0.1111/kw home charging (the middle tier) = $28.16. A saving of $52.70 for 3 weeks of driving.
Extrapolating to 52 weeks, this would be a cost saving of $913.47/year.
Do i have this math right?

This really blows my mind!

Sorry, busy week at work, so I'm late. And as already mentioned, the maths look good .

And everyone knows I'm not going to skip a chance to talk about how cheap EV's are to run, and how much I'm saving driving an EV around here.

As mentioned, gas, and electricity prices vary a lot all over the country. In my case, I have both very cheap electricity ($0.10263 per KWh), and fairly expensive gas ($4.50- 4.80).

Even just little local trips can be easy to do the math for.

Driving to my local trails to mountain bike is ~22 miles round trip.

In my Jeep that gets 14mpg, it costs me ~$7. (22miles/14mpg = 1.57 gal x $4.5 gallon)

In my Ioniq 9, it costs me ~$0.65 (22 miles/3.5 miles per KWH x $0.10623).

The math looks even more interesting when you look over a longer time period, like 5 years.

Here is the spreadsheet I was using to compare fueling costs for a few of the 3 row vehicles we were looking at. I also added the traveler and my jeep in there for giggles.

You can see how even compared to a Toyota Sienna (which is pretty efficient at ~36mpg), I'm saving $6-7k in 5 years. And if you compare the theoretical scout (using even a likely less efficient guess of ~2 miles/kwh), to my old jeep, it starts to look crazy (that said, my Jeep isn't a daily driver anymore... which is why this is sort of for kicks and giggles).

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The NYTimes has an article where they estimate the costs to drive an EV, hybrid, and gas vehicle in each state. This necessarily deals in averages, so it’s not very accurate for any individual, but — assuming they use accurate inputs and assumptions — is accurate for the conglomeration of everyone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/08/upshot/ev-versus-gas-car-comparison-cost.html?unlocked_article_code=1.r08.R3Gw.U0JhCMY6-G0V&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

E.V. home-charging cost over 100 miles, relative to a gas car
1 Washington -$13.53
2 Oregon -$11.19
3 Nevada -$11.04
4 Idaho -$10.59
5 Utah -$9.61
6 Montana -$9.09
7 Wyoming -$8.27
8 Arizona -$7.99
9 Illinois -$7.93
10 Nebraska -$7.76
11 Florida -$7.66
12 North Dakota -$7.64
13 South Dakota -$7.57
14 Virginia -$7.49
15 California -$7.48
16 Missouri -$7.47
17 Indiana -$7.45
18 Colorado -$7.45
19 Kentucky -$7.41
20 Iowa -$7.29
21 Arkansas -$7.21
22 Alaska -$7.21
23 North Carolina -$7.20
24 D.C. -$7.19
25 West Virginia -$7.18
26 Pennsylvania -$7.16
27 New Mexico -$7.14
28 Georgia -$7.10
29 Louisiana -$7.09
30 Delaware -$7.08
31 Minnesota -$7.03
32 Kansas -$7.03
33 Oklahoma -$6.95
34 Tennessee -$6.95
35 Maryland -$6.92
36 Michigan -$6.80
37 Ohio -$6.62
38 South Carolina -$6.56
39 Mississippi -$6.34
40 Alabama -$6.29
41 Texas -$6.19
42 New Jersey -$6.09
43 Wisconsin -$5.77
44 Hawaii -$5.52
45 Vermont -$5.20
46 New Hampshire -$4.87
47 New York -$4.67
48 Maine -$4.02
49 Rhode Island -$3.45
50 Massachusetts -$3.29
51 Connecticut -$2.98

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

And for DC Fast charging:


E.V. fast-charging cost over 100 miles, relative to a gas car
1 Washington -$3.23
2 Oregon -$0.04
3 California +$0.02
4 Hawaii +$0.18
5 Florida +$1.35
6 Idaho +$1.46
7 Illinois +$1.50
8 Utah +$1.62
9 Iowa +$1.65
10 Nevada +$1.78
11 Michigan +$2.14
12 Montana +$2.36
13 Pennsylvania +$2.36
14 Alaska +$2.68
15 Massachusetts +$2.74
16 Missouri +$2.75
17 Georgia +$2.81
18 Virginia +$2.90
19 New York +$2.94
20 Alabama +$2.99
21 Mississippi +$3.05
22 New Jersey +$3.08
23 Colorado +$3.16
24 Minnesota +$3.22
25 North Carolina +$3.23
26 Wisconsin +$3.23
27 South Carolina +$3.25
28 West Virginia +$3.28
29 Nebraska +$3.30
30 Indiana +$3.36
31 New Mexico +$3.50
32 Kansas +$3.58
33 Maryland +$3.58
34 Tennessee +$3.59
35 North Dakota +$3.76
36 Arizona +$3.80
37 New Hampshire +$3.84
38 Texas +$3.87
39 Louisiana +$3.98
40 Kentucky +$3.98
41 South Dakota +$4.04
42 Connecticut +$4.04
43 Rhode Island +$4.06
44 Delaware +$4.30
45 Ohio +$4.46
46 Oklahoma +$4.78
47 Vermont +$5.02
48 Maine +$5.02
49 D.C. +$5.08
50 Wyoming +$5.28
51 Arkansas +$8.36
E.V. efficiency of 0.3 kWh per mile. Gas efficiency of 25 m.p.g.

 

[J Alynn]

The NYTimes has an article where they estimate the costs to drive an EV, hybrid, and gas vehicle in each state. This necessarily deals in averages, so it’s not very accurate for any individual, but — assuming they use accurate inputs and assumptions — is accurate for the conglomeration of everyone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/08/upshot/ev-versus-gas-car-comparison-cost.html?unlocked_article_code=1.r08.R3Gw.U0JhCMY6-G0V&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

E.V. home-charging cost over 100 miles, relative to a gas car
1 Washington -$13.53
2 Oregon -$11.19
3 Nevada -$11.04
4 Idaho -$10.59
5 Utah -$9.61
6 Montana -$9.09
7 Wyoming -$8.27
8 Arizona -$7.99
9 Illinois -$7.93
10 Nebraska -$7.76
11 Florida -$7.66
12 North Dakota -$7.64
13 South Dakota -$7.57
14 Virginia -$7.49
15 California -$7.48
16 Missouri -$7.47
17 Indiana -$7.45
18 Colorado -$7.45
19 Kentucky -$7.41
20 Iowa -$7.29
21 Arkansas -$7.21
22 Alaska -$7.21
23 North Carolina -$7.20
24 D.C. -$7.19
25 West Virginia -$7.18
26 Pennsylvania -$7.16
27 New Mexico -$7.14
28 Georgia -$7.10
29 Louisiana -$7.09
30 Delaware -$7.08
31 Minnesota -$7.03
32 Kansas -$7.03
33 Oklahoma -$6.95
34 Tennessee -$6.95
35 Maryland -$6.92
36 Michigan -$6.80
37 Ohio -$6.62
38 South Carolina -$6.56
39 Mississippi -$6.34
40 Alabama -$6.29
41 Texas -$6.19
42 New Jersey -$6.09
43 Wisconsin -$5.77
44 Hawaii -$5.52
45 Vermont -$5.20
46 New Hampshire -$4.87
47 New York -$4.67
48 Maine -$4.02
49 Rhode Island -$3.45
50 Massachusetts -$3.29
51 Connecticut -$2.98

This is great and WOW-can’t believe you typed them all out-hoping you did a copy paste

 

[J Alynn]

This is great and WOW-can’t believe you typed them all out-hoping you did a copy paste

And next time if you could sort it alphabetically and then by price (descending order-you are close but the first couple are out of sequence) that would be great .

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

This is great and WOW-can’t believe you typed them all out-hoping you did a copy paste

Copy-paste. I’m lazy.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

And next time if you could sort it alphabetically and then by price (descending order-you are close but the first couple are out of sequence) that would be great .

No.

 

[J Alynn]

Copy-paste. I’m lazy.

Worker smarter-not harder. You are a man of age and wisdom. Thanks again for transcribing that info. I just get bugged now that I have a hybrid as the numbers don’t look as good to me as a pure ICE driver. I average around 44 mpg annually. But good to know I’ll still be saving some money on fuel and helping the environment

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Worker smarter-not harder. You are a man of age and wisdom. Thanks again for transcribing that info. I just get bugged now that I have a hybrid as the numbers don’t look as good to me as a pure ICE driver. I average around 44 mpg annually. But good to know I’ll still be saving some money on fuel and helping the environment

I mean, that’s kind of the point of hybrids though, right? To be a stepping stone.

A couple of points to remember:
1) You used the hybrid for however long and while you did, you gained benefits from it, including cost savings.
2) The sale/transfer of your hybrid to someone else will keep it in circulation, so its benefits to the world at-large are not going to disappear.

 

[cyure]

Worker smarter-not harder. You are a man of age and wisdom. Thanks again for transcribing that info. I just get bugged now that I have a hybrid as the numbers don’t look as good to me as a pure ICE driver. I average around 44 mpg annually. But good to know I’ll still be saving some money on fuel and helping the environment

I only get 13 mpg in my Wrangler so those numbers look amazing to me!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I only get 13 mpg in my Wrangler so those numbers look amazing to me!

That was similar to my Tacoma. Supposedly it could get 18, but I was always using it as a truck with loads in the bed and/or towing. My average was 12 mpg. When I was towing, it was 6-8 mpg. Going from that to the Lightning, which doesn’t notice stuff in the bed was/is amazing. The Lightning does still get worse mileage while towing. Basically towing is moving two vehicles with the powertrain of one—of course it’s going to cost 25% to 50% more energy to tow.

 

[Logan]

That was similar to my Tacoma. Supposedly it could get 18, but I was always using it as a truck with loads in the bed and/or towing. My average was 12 mpg. When I was towing, it was 6-8 mpg. Going from that to the Lightning, which doesn’t notice stuff in the bed was/is amazing. The Lightning does still get worse mileage while towing. Basically towing is moving two vehicles with the powertrain of one—of course it’s going to cost 25% to 50% more energy to tow.

I only get 13 mpg in my Wrangler so those numbers look amazing to me!

Yep.

Fuel cost is ~$4.50, Electricity is $0.10263.

Cost to drive 100 miles in my:

• 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee (~14mpg): $32.14
• 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV using only gas (33mpg): $13.63
• 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV using battery + gas (33 miles of EV range + 33mpg for the rest): $1.42 + $9.14 = $10.56
• 2026 Hyundai Ioniq 9 (3.3miles/kwh): $3.11

The savings are real.

 

[J Alynn]

I mean, that’s kind of the point of hybrids though, right? To be a stepping stone.

A couple of points to remember:
1) You used the hybrid for however long and while you did, you gained benefits from it, including cost savings.
2) The sale/transfer of your hybrid to someone else will keep it in circulation, so its benefits to the world at-large are not going to disappear.

Great way of looking at it

 

[cyure]

Yep.

Fuel cost is ~$4.50, Electricity is $0.10263.

Cost to drive 100 miles in my:

• 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee (~14mpg): $32.14
• 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV using only gas (33mpg): $13.63
• 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV using battery + gas (33 miles of EV range + 33mpg for the rest): $1.42 + $9.14 = $10.56
• 2026 Hyundai Ioniq 9 (3.3miles/kwh): $3.11

The savings are real.

Wow!

 

[BeerParty]

Yep.

Fuel cost is ~$4.50, Electricity is $0.10263.

Cost to drive 100 miles in my:

• 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee (~14mpg): $32.14
• 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV using only gas (33mpg): $13.63
• 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV using battery + gas (33 miles of EV range + 33mpg for the rest): $1.42 + $9.14 = $10.56
• 2026 Hyundai Ioniq 9 (3.3miles/kwh): $3.11

The savings are real.

While I don't disagree with your point, you left off the cost when DCFC:

• 2026 Hyundai Ioniq 9 (DCFC at $0.50 per kWh and 3.3 miles/kwh): $15.15