Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

[LastDayScout]

This tool is so interesting I did another hypothetical comparison. I drive about 50 miles per day and that what I entered for this comparison. I put the most efficient Chevy Tahoe vs least efficient Rivian R1S. They are about the same size, and can cost similar money to purchase. Keep in mind this does not include any maintenance costs associated with an ICE…just fuel.

 

[J Alynn]

This tool is so interesting I did another hypothetical comparison. I drive about 50 miles per day and that what I entered for this comparison. I put the most efficient Chevy Tahoe vs least efficient Rivian R1S. They are about the same size, and can cost similar money to purchase. Keep in mind this does not include any maintenance costs associated with an ICE…just fuel.

That’s really helpful to see

 

[dreamweaver]

That’s really helpful to see

That website is very handy. One of these days Scout will be on the pick list.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

Is anyone that has reserved the harvester model considering switching to the all EV model? Especially those that live in California?

I did when I heard the battery in the Harvester model was half the size of the Total EV

 

[R1TVT]

Just anecdotally, and now that I have had my R1T for just about 3 years, I would have a very hard time going back to gas (even with just under 300 miles of range on 20's and AT's). The improvements in SW, OTA's, charging infrastructure, the Rivian RAN DCFC Network and access to Tesla SuperChargers (for example) have all been things that I have experienced since my purchase date, and all have made ownership better over time. but ultimately, its the truck's capability, storage, performance and overall quality driving experience that have me locked-in.

Road tripping for me is driving all day and spending a night somewhere. I have no problems stopping to charge and eat on the way. I have come to prefer (and even appreciate) the the more leisurely approach to road tripping in an EV. I feel less rushed driving with the flow of traffic at 75-80MPH over long distances - its just less stressful. Also more efficient...

I regularly day trip in the winter / colder months to ski areas or backcountry spots in the mountains, and it is always WAY less efficient getting to a ski destination in the AM... For me, I am generally gaining 2K feet of elevation, leaving early in the cold and dark, and usually headed in a Westerly or NorthWesterly direction into the wind. All of these impact range, BUT on the way home, I am traveling downhill, with the wind and it is generally warmer in the afternoons. The range numbers go WAY up in this case. It something you don't generally think about with ICE. 1 leg of your trip can be much less or much more efficient. The worst number I saw in terms of consumption intervals this winter was about 1.38 mi / kWH in sub-zero temps, and the best # was over 3.00+ cruising downhill on a long descent (measured and averaged over 15 minute intervals).

My game-planning for day trips generally gets my outta bed in the winter 30 minutes earlier than normal. I like to charge and eat BFAST on the road, so I use that 30 minutes to do both. Normally, I am charged to ~70-100% in the AM (L2 charging overnight at home) for any trips. For 95% of my driving, I am never in need of a fast charging, but when I do, it is just another opportunity to get a bite to eat. I was at Mount Washington last weekend and found the best Taco joint in North Conway, grabbed a few tacos and ate them on my tailgate at a Tesla Charger that was on my route. You just learn to kill two birds with one stone. Now that I can stream onto the infotainment screen, that is another option to kill a few minutes charging.

Hope that helps.

 

[Chavannigans]

I am on the fence. Like others have mentioned initially I opted for Harvester for range anxiety and an easier transition since it will be our first EV.

A lot of you have eased my mind about range anxiety and it seems like you eventually plan your trips accordingly without thinking too much into it. And in reality it would mostly be daily driven by me (50 mile round trip commute) or my wife (100 mile commute) and even the Harvester battery would be enough for either one of us to not need to use gas during the week.


There are two reason I am still considering it due to our current circumstances and goals.

1. We want to camp off grid for 3-5 days at a time.

I am a disabled vet so we get free National Park and Federal Land access for life, and we want to use it as much as possible now that our youngest is more mobile and adventure ready (he just turned 3 last week ).

We want to be able to camp out on BLM land and use the vehicle to power a travel trailer or pop up without carrying around a heavy inverter generator or dealing with the noise which can be overwhelming with my condition. Sm claims the Harvester will be very quiet and most people wont be able to tell when it kicks on, and that sounds amazing if they can pull that off.

We also want to spend a few days at a time on PINS (Padre Island National Seashore) where you can end up hours from the nearest cell signal or charger and if you are pretty far down the beach the tow bills there are extremely expensive.

2. Backup power.

We have frequent power outages in our area, and having a built in generator we can hook the house up to could be a literal life saver. While this is also something the BEV could accomplish, until its battery is depleted.

After the big freeze several years ago in Texas we have been looking into battery backups and generator options but are still aggressively paying down our consumer debt before we make another big purchase. This would be killing two birds with one stone for my family.

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

Is anyone that has reserved the harvester model considering switching to the all EV model? Especially those that live in California?

No.

 

[chucchinchilla]

My wife and I recently did a 550 mile trip in one day. After stopping for gas and a bathroom break, we were back on the road. As we got back on the interstate she looked at me and said, “I’m so glad this isn’t an EV, can you imagine adding another 40 minutes or more to this day?”

That tells me right there if I’m going to move forward with my Scout reservation that:
-Keeping the Harvester is a must
-The Harvester must be a gas and go setup that can keep us rolling at 75-80mph without having to charge

The key to EV road trip success is eating while charging. Scout says they'll deliver a 350mi range vehicle. Ok so you leave home at 100%, drive a little over 4 hours, eat lunch/dinner while the car charges, then keep going to your destination. Doesn't seem inconvenient at all especially since at that point I'd stop to eat/bathroom/stretch anyway. The only real difference is you have to plan your pit stop ahead of time vs stopping randomly but again, I do that anyway.

Another thing to consider is where you gas up your car over the span of a whole year. My wife used to fill up once a week at a preferred local gas station....so 5 minutes to get there, 5 minutes to fill up, 5 minutes back, and let's say she did that 50 times a year. Quick math says that's 12.5 hours wasted over the course of a year just filling up the car. She gained all that time back thanks to charging either at work or at home.

For me it comes down to this: Pros outweigh the cons and with minimal effort even the cons disappear.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

I am on the fence. Like others have mentioned initially I opted for Harvester for range anxiety and an easier transition since it will be our first EV.

A lot of you have eased my mind about range anxiety and it seems like you eventually plan your trips accordingly without thinking too much into it. And in reality it would mostly be daily driven by me (50 mile round trip commute) or my wife (100 mile commute) and even the Harvester battery would be enough for either one of us to not need to use gas during the week.


There are two reason I am still considering it due to our current circumstances and goals.

1. We want to camp off grid for 3-5 days at a time.

I am a disabled vet so we get free National Park and Federal Land access for life, and we want to use it as much as possible now that our youngest is more mobile and adventure ready (he just turned 3 last week ).

We want to be able to camp out on BLM land and use the vehicle to power a travel trailer or pop up without carrying around a heavy inverter generator or dealing with the noise which can be overwhelming with my condition. Sm claims the Harvester will be very quiet and most people wont be able to tell when it kicks on, and that sounds amazing if they can pull that off.

We also want to spend a few days at a time on PINS (Padre Island National Seashore) where you can end up hours from the nearest cell signal or charger and if you are pretty far down the beach the tow bills there are extremely expensive.

2. Backup power.

We have frequent power outages in our area, and having a built in generator we can hook the house up to could be a literal life saver. While this is also something the BEV could accomplish, until its battery is depleted.

After the big freeze several years ago in Texas we have been looking into battery backups and generator options but are still aggressively paying down our consumer debt before we make another big purchase. This would be killing two birds with one stone for my family.

If you equipped your trailer with the appropriate amount of solar and battery you would have the option of not having to use the Scout battery while camping. You may not hear your Harvester while driving but surely you would while camping and connected to your trailer. You could always separate scout from camper while camping. If you choose a Terra I just wonder if you could just go with a DuroMax 9000 with external gas tank generator (50 amp output for level 2 charging over night). Only bring when your on a long camping trip. My hope is the Terra BEV will have 400 mile range (200+ with trailer). Most places I camp are less the 100 miles from super chargers.

 

[LastDayScout]

I am on the fence. Like others have mentioned initially I opted for Harvester for range anxiety and an easier transition since it will be our first EV.

A lot of you have eased my mind about range anxiety and it seems like you eventually plan your trips accordingly without thinking too much into it. And in reality it would mostly be daily driven by me (50 mile round trip commute) or my wife (100 mile commute) and even the Harvester battery would be enough for either one of us to not need to use gas during the week.


There are two reason I am still considering it due to our current circumstances and goals.

1. We want to camp off grid for 3-5 days at a time.

I am a disabled vet so we get free National Park and Federal Land access for life, and we want to use it as much as possible now that our youngest is more mobile and adventure ready (he just turned 3 last week ).

We want to be able to camp out on BLM land and use the vehicle to power a travel trailer or pop up without carrying around a heavy inverter generator or dealing with the noise which can be overwhelming with my condition. Sm claims the Harvester will be very quiet and most people wont be able to tell when it kicks on, and that sounds amazing if they can pull that off.

We also want to spend a few days at a time on PINS (Padre Island National Seashore) where you can end up hours from the nearest cell signal or charger and if you are pretty far down the beach the tow bills there are extremely expensive.

2. Backup power.

We have frequent power outages in our area, and having a built in generator we can hook the house up to could be a literal life saver. While this is also something the BEV could accomplish, until its battery is depleted.

After the big freeze several years ago in Texas we have been looking into battery backups and generator options but are still aggressively paying down our consumer debt before we make another big purchase. This would be killing two birds with one stone for my family.

If you are already thinking you may not "need" the Harvester, you probably do not. You still have a while to do your research, but I suspect you will switch to BEV based on your comments.

 

[LastDayScout]

The key to EV road trip success is eating while charging. Scout says they'll deliver a 350mi range vehicle. Ok so you leave home at 100%, drive a little over 4 hours, eat lunch/dinner while the car charges, then keep going to your destination. Doesn't seem inconvenient at all especially since at that point I'd stop to eat/bathroom/stretch anyway. The only real difference is you have to plan your pit stop ahead of time vs stopping randomly but again, I do that anyway.

Another thing to consider is where you gas up your car over the span of a whole year. My wife used to fill up once a week at a preferred local gas station....so 5 minutes to get there, 5 minutes to fill up, 5 minutes back, and let's say she did that 50 times a year. Quick math says that's 12.5 hours wasted over the course of a year just filling up the car. She gained all that time back thanks to charging either at work or at home.

For me it comes down to this: Pros outweigh the cons and with minimal effort even the cons disappear.

I will keep driving home this point. You will do more daily routine travel than road trips. With at home charging, you will wake up every morning with roughly 280 miles of range. That is based on properly charging to 80% for day to day use. That should be more than sufficient and very convenient for the vast majority of owners.

 

[cyure]

I will keep driving home this point. You will do more daily routine travel than road trips. With at home charging, you will wake up every morning with roughly 280 miles of range. That is based on properly charging to 80% for day to day use. That should be more than sufficient and very convenient for the vast majority of owners.

I’m starting to be convinced BEV is the way to go, it’s my husband who I’m going to have to work on.

 

[LastDayScout]

I’m starting to be convinced BEV is the way to go, it’s my husband who I’m going to have to work on.

I would recommend jotting down your day to day and your maximum long distance travel that you plan to do. See what that looks like and how often. Put those trips into Plug Share or ABRP and see where the chargers are and what the estimated wait times are. I would probably pretend you have a Rivian for something comparable that is currently available. Just remember there will be more options by 2027.

 

[cyure]

I would recommend jotting down your day to day and your maximum long distance travel that you plan to do. See what that looks like and how often. Put those trips into Plug Share or ABRP and see where the chargers are and what the estimated wait times are. I would probably pretend you have a Rivian for something comparable that is currently available. Just remember there will be more options by 2027.

Thanks!

 

[dreamweaver]

I’m starting to be convinced BEV is the way to go, it’s my husband who I’m going to have to work on.

We’re still undecided, but we’ve been using ABRP to plan trips we’ve taken in the past and ones we’d like to take in the future with an EV. We’re considering everything - charging networks and chargers along the way, how many stops we’ll make, places to eat, stay, and see. It’s almost therapeutic! I think we’re leaning a little more towards an EV at this point.

edit: To be honest we travel with two dogs and after 4 hours of driving they are ready to get out and run around anyway.

 

[J Alynn]

I’m starting to be convinced BEV is the way to go, it’s my husband who I’m going to have to work on.

As a married man-I will say - just tell him it’s what you are getting. We don’t like arguing with our wives

 

[LastDayScout]

I suspect many more will switch to BEV as we get closer to launch. More will do so after launch when real world reviews start coming out after launch.

 

[cyure]

As a married man-I will say - just tell him it’s what you are getting. We don’t like arguing with our wives

We have been married almost 35 years. He knows when to just stay out of my way.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

I’m starting to be convinced BEV is the way to go, it’s my husband who I’m going to have to work on.

Maybe you could mention all the nice meals or romantic walks you could achieve while waiting for your Scout to charge. Maybe even stream a fun movie or TV show. Or what ever his interests are that may be near a super charger.

 

[Albal]

We want to be able to camp out on BLM land and use the vehicle to power a travel trailer or pop up without carrying around a heavy inverter generator or dealing with the noise which can be overwhelming with my condition. Sm claims the Harvester will be very quiet and most people wont be able to tell when it kicks on, and that sounds amazing if they can pull that off.

My take on SM's harvester noise comment is that you might not notice it while driving down the highway. I'm guessing the generator kicking on while you're parked someplace quiet will be easily noted. Especially since it would be re-charging your battery, a higher load than just running a few lights or whatever camping gear. On the other hand, once it finally got done re-charging your battery, the battery should last a very long time.