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The following looks like a lot of mental work, but it's not what we do when we're on the road, I'm doing it here for illustration purposes.


We got to our hotel and the charger there was busy. That was fine, we had more than 30% charge, so we did our things, got dinner, went downtown, etc., and when we got to the hotel that evening, the charger was open. However its cost was high, so I did a quick calculation of how far I had to go to get to an Electrify America charger on the way home (less than half the price), and charged just enough to make it to the EA charger. I unplugged at 65%, ignoring my recommendation to everyone who will listen to charge to 100% when the time on the charger doesn't matter.

We grabbed breakfast with the people we were visiting and then headed home.

When we hit the road, I realized we were doing much better on efficiency than I'd estimated. Usually the return trip is lower efficiency because we drive into the wind. We decided to skip the first charger and go on to the second on our route. We got there with 13% charge. We went to the restroom, grabbed some snacks, were chatted up by a passerby about the truck and charging costs and etc., and by the time we were done, the truck was back up to 80%. This charge event was 44 minutes long, which is longer than we typically spend (25 minutes is our median time spent at a charger on a road trip). This was longer for several reasons. First, because we didn't charge to 100% at the hotel because I was being a miser If we had, we'd have had 35% more charge when we arrived at the charger and would have needed ~48% of the time to get to 80% (or ~21 minutes instead of 44). Second because we went beyond the first stop we'd planned and on to the second. Third because we got distracted by the conversation.

We got home with 7% charge. It had been a while since I ran the charge from low % to 100%, so I told the truck to run up to 100% and boosted the charger to work at 80A (19.2 kW). By the next morning it was full again.

No need to stop at a gas station at the town we were in. Doing so would have cost us at least 20 minutes to leave the hotel, find a gas station, refuel, etc. So we spent that 20 minutes on the drive home instead of taking time from our visit. That's not counting the 30 minutes it takes to go from our home to the nearest gas station and back. Total extra time refueling would be about 60-80 minutes. Not counting the refueling time on the highway there and back again.

Gas average on this route is about $3.50/gallon. Our 12 mpg truck would have required about $205 for the trip, only counting the miles on the highway and around town. For electricity, if we count the cost to fill up at home both before and after the trip, it's $0.035/kWh at home. To recharge our 131 kWh twice is $9.17 plus the cost to stop at DCFCs: $40.48+$24.37+$31.32 = $105.34. About half the price, even with the expensive charger at the hotel and even counting two fill-ups at home.
 
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I’m starting to pay attention to this now. We went to Chicago this weekend and it was 117 miles to where we were going. I stopped once on the way up ti get gas as I hadn’t filled up before I left. It took 13 minutes to use the facilities and get gas. If I would have gotten snacks it would have been even longer.
And if you had a home charger, the only reason to stop would have been to use the facilities and maybe snacks. For 250 miles round trip, you wouldn't need to stop at all in either direction unless it was especially cold or windy. And if the place you went in Chicago had an L2 charger while you were there, even the cold and wind wouldn't have necessitated a recharge stop on the road.
 
The best consumer is an informed consumer. I wish more people would do this. It would really help with range anxiety prone consumers.
I think that is dead on. I started on here knowing very little-but I also decided to be open minded because I’ve dreamt of another Scout. Sadly, there are a lot of people who don’t want to be open-they just want it the way they are comfortable with. With all I’ve been learning and getting more confidence with EV my wife’s now thinking we dump our Pilot and keep the Accord hybrid so we are even more efficient but I fear my wife will ultimately want to claim my Scout 🤣
 
I think that is dead on. I started on here knowing very little-but I also decided to be open minded because I’ve dreamt of another Scout. Sadly, there are a lot of people who don’t want to be open-they just want it the way they are comfortable with. With all I’ve been learning and getting more confidence with EV my wife’s now thinking we dump our Pilot and keep the Accord hybrid so we are even more efficient but I fear my wife will ultimately want to claim my Scout 🤣
Hey that’s how I ended up with my Wrangler. Took my husbands!
 
I went to China for a tour last year and experienced a lot on ev taxi in the city. We were visiting the southern part of the country. According to my experience and connections with the drivers, they all prefer using EV in the city for taxi business. Yet we all know that there’s limitations for car battery to operate during cold weather. Based on my knowledge in the automotive industry and casual lifestyle here, pure EV is difficult to survive in Michigan winter. And we like to tow our camper and boat around in the summer. I think either an extended EV with simple gas generator or plugin hybrid would be a better choice. We also noticed that many ev drivers were stuck on the road during Chinese new year holidays.
I think Extended EV has at least one advantage is that it can operate at the best fuel efficiency on the generator. Thought it would waste energy during generator to battery and back to IPM drive.
 
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I went to China for a tour last year and experienced a lot on ev taxi in the city. We were visiting the southern part of the country. According to my experience and connections with the drivers, they all prefer using EV in the city for taxi business. Yet we all know that there’s limitations for car battery to operate during cold weather. Based on my knowledge in the automotive industry and casual lifestyle here, pure EV is difficult to survive in Michigan winter. And we like to tow our camper and boat around in the summer. I think either an extended EV with simple gas generator or plugin hybrid would be a better choice. We also noticed that many ev drivers were stuck on the road during Chinese new year holidays.
I think Extended EV has at least one advantage is that it can operate at the best fuel efficiency on the generator. Thought it would waste energy during generator to battery and back to IPM drive.
Welcome to the community!
 
I went to China for a tour last year and experienced a lot on ev taxi in the city. We were visiting the southern part of the country. According to my experience and connections with the drivers, they all prefer using EV in the city for taxi business. Yet we all know that there’s limitations for car battery to operate during cold weather. Based on my knowledge in the automotive industry and casual lifestyle here, pure EV is difficult to survive in Michigan winter. And we like to tow our camper and boat around in the summer. I think either an extended EV with simple gas generator or plugin hybrid would be a better choice. We also noticed that many ev drivers were stuck on the road during Chinese new year holidays.
I think Extended EV has at least one advantage is that it can operate at the best fuel efficiency on the generator. Thought it would waste energy during generator to battery and back to IPM drive.
Hi, Canadian here. Pure EV is totally fine in the winter. I've owned and have been driving EVs for almost a decade now and have first-hand experience with them in Canadian winters. They are fine. In fact I prefer EVs in the winter over any other type of vehicle.
 
I have only a little long-term experience in what one might consider the very cold. I think my lowest temperature experience is -25 ºF, but only for a few days one winter. More typical is ~0 ºF. When I was a kid, I used to have to wake up around 02:00 to empty the wood stove’s coals, restart the fire, and bring those coals out to place under the truck my dad would be taking to work at 04:00. We were 100% off-grid and that was the only way to keep the truck’s block from freezing. Thinking about the amount of gas wasted trying to warm up the engine before driving always makes me a little sick.

It is funny to me that people seem to forget that pretty much every ICE in the frigid north is a sort of plugin-hybrid in the winter. Engine block heaters and battery heaters exist for a reason. Vehicles don’t like the cold, no matter the energy source.

I would far prefer to be out in the cold with an EV than an ICE, especially if there’s any danger of large snow storms.
 
I went to China for a tour last year and experienced a lot on ev taxi in the city. We were visiting the southern part of the country. According to my experience and connections with the drivers, they all prefer using EV in the city for taxi business. Yet we all know that there’s limitations for car battery to operate during cold weather. Based on my knowledge in the automotive industry and casual lifestyle here, pure EV is difficult to survive in Michigan winter. And we like to tow our camper and boat around in the summer. I think either an extended EV with simple gas generator or plugin hybrid would be a better choice. We also noticed that many ev drivers were stuck on the road during Chinese new year holidays.
I think Extended EV has at least one advantage is that it can operate at the best fuel efficiency on the generator. Thought it would waste energy during generator to battery and back to IPM drive.

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I have only a little long-term experience in what one might consider the very cold. I think my lowest temperature experience is -25 ºF, but only for a few days one winter. More typical is ~0 ºF. When I was a kid, I used to have to wake up around 02:00 to empty the wood stove’s coals, restart the fire, and bring those coals out to place under the truck my dad would be taking to work at 04:00. We were 100% off-grid and that was the only way to keep the truck’s block from freezing. Thinking about the amount of gas wasted trying to warm up the engine before driving always makes me a little sick.

It is funny to me that people seem to forget that pretty much every ICE in the frigid north is a sort of plugin-hybrid in the winter. Engine block heaters and battery heaters exist for a reason. Vehicles don’t like the cold, no matter the energy source.

I would far prefer to be out in the cold with an EV than an ICE, especially if there’s any danger of large snow storms.
My 1976 Scout II that I had in high school had a block heater and if I forgot to plug it in on a very cold night, I would have a hell of a time getting it started in the morning.
 
OK, one more real world story in case anybody is still on the fence - these are the kind of posts I was looking for 6 months ago, before I got a BEV, so hopefully somebody finds these useful.

Took mom out for lunch last week - total round trip was 102 miles, primarily high speed highway and steep mountain driving - I70 Denver to Evergreen and back, and some relatively slow speed mountain driving.

Started with 95% after a couple days on the Level 1 charger. I only charge between 7am and 7pm, when the sun is at it's best

, and still haven't seen an impact on my electrical bill, so for our use (10 miles per day back and forth to work and then the usual errands) we really don't use public fast chargers much anymore.

Estimated range was 322 miles at start:

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I drive in "Level 2" regen mode, and "normal" (not sport or eco) which pretty much feels like any ICE vehicle (except way, way more power) and I don't try to hyper-mile or anything. Basically just drive it like every other automatic transmission car I've ever owned.

After 102 miles of driving we still showed 203 available, so we used slightly more electricity than expected (119 miles worth of "range" spent to drive 102 miles) -

Averaged 4 mi/kwh which is a new metric for me, but I think that's pretty good?

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I have officially changed my reservations from Harvester to BEV - I have no interest in ever going back to an ICE vehicle, and if something happens to Scout in the next two years I'll switch to Rivian, but I'm holding out until Scout gets here or as long as I can - either way the future for me is electric.
 
OK, one more real world story in case anybody is still on the fence - these are the kind of posts I was looking for 6 months ago, before I got a BEV, so hopefully somebody finds these useful.

Took mom out for lunch last week - total round trip was 102 miles, primarily high speed highway and steep mountain driving - I70 Denver to Evergreen and back, and some relatively slow speed mountain driving.

Started with 95% after a couple days on the Level 1 charger. I only charge between 7am and 7pm, when the sun is at it's best

, and still haven't seen an impact on my electrical bill, so for our use (10 miles per day back and forth to work and then the usual errands) we really don't use public fast chargers much anymore.

Estimated range was 322 miles at start:

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I drive in "Level 2" regen mode, and "normal" (not sport or eco) which pretty much feels like any ICE vehicle (except way, way more power) and I don't try to hyper-mile or anything. Basically just drive it like every other automatic transmission car I've ever owned.

After 102 miles of driving we still showed 203 available, so we used slightly more electricity than expected (119 miles worth of "range" spent to drive 102 miles) -

Averaged 4 mi/kwh which is a new metric for me, but I think that's pretty good?

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I have officially changed my reservations from Harvester to BEV - I have no interest in ever going back to an ICE vehicle, and if something happens to Scout in the next two years I'll switch to Rivian, but I'm holding out until Scout gets here or as long as I can - either way the future for me is electric.
These are the kind of real world experiences and examples that are very helpful. Thank you very much.
 
OK, one more real world story in case anybody is still on the fence - these are the kind of posts I was looking for 6 months ago, before I got a BEV, so hopefully somebody finds these useful.

Took mom out for lunch last week - total round trip was 102 miles, primarily high speed highway and steep mountain driving - I70 Denver to Evergreen and back, and some relatively slow speed mountain driving.

Started with 95% after a couple days on the Level 1 charger. I only charge between 7am and 7pm, when the sun is at it's best

, and still haven't seen an impact on my electrical bill, so for our use (10 miles per day back and forth to work and then the usual errands) we really don't use public fast chargers much anymore.

Estimated range was 322 miles at start:

View attachment 6581


I drive in "Level 2" regen mode, and "normal" (not sport or eco) which pretty much feels like any ICE vehicle (except way, way more power) and I don't try to hyper-mile or anything. Basically just drive it like every other automatic transmission car I've ever owned.

After 102 miles of driving we still showed 203 available, so we used slightly more electricity than expected (119 miles worth of "range" spent to drive 102 miles) -

Averaged 4 mi/kwh which is a new metric for me, but I think that's pretty good?

View attachment 6580

I have officially changed my reservations from Harvester to BEV - I have no interest in ever going back to an ICE vehicle, and if something happens to Scout in the next two years I'll switch to Rivian, but I'm holding out until Scout gets here or as long as I can - either way the future for me is electric.
If you hold the right-hand regen paddle for a few seconds it'll go into "auto regen" mode which is the best. It dynamically adjusts the regen strength based on what's happening in front of you.
 
OK, one more real world story in case anybody is still on the fence - these are the kind of posts I was looking for 6 months ago, before I got a BEV, so hopefully somebody finds these useful.

Took mom out for lunch last week - total round trip was 102 miles, primarily high speed highway and steep mountain driving - I70 Denver to Evergreen and back, and some relatively slow speed mountain driving.

Started with 95% after a couple days on the Level 1 charger. I only charge between 7am and 7pm, when the sun is at it's best

, and still haven't seen an impact on my electrical bill, so for our use (10 miles per day back and forth to work and then the usual errands) we really don't use public fast chargers much anymore.

Estimated range was 322 miles at start:


I drive in "Level 2" regen mode, and "normal" (not sport or eco) which pretty much feels like any ICE vehicle (except way, way more power) and I don't try to hyper-mile or anything. Basically just drive it like every other automatic transmission car I've ever owned.

After 102 miles of driving we still showed 203 available, so we used slightly more electricity than expected (119 miles worth of "range" spent to drive 102 miles) -

Averaged 4 mi/kwh which is a new metric for me, but I think that's pretty good?



I have officially changed my reservations from Harvester to BEV - I have no interest in ever going back to an ICE vehicle, and if something happens to Scout in the next two years I'll switch to Rivian, but I'm holding out until Scout gets here or as long as I can - either way the future for me is electric.
Love this!

I’m heading out for a weekend in Tucson.

I remembered this morning that my truck wasn’t at 100% charge. I don't need it to be, but figured I might as well top it off. Picked up my phone, opened the Ford app, told the truck to charge to 100% (one-time change). A short time later, I got the notification that it was at 100%. This is way, way better than having to add a trip to the gas station as one of my pre-trip errands. If I had an EREV, that convenience would be destroyed by the need to gas up before the trip.

The truck is now at 100% charge and the guess-o-meter estimated range is 344 miles (Ford advertises it as a 320 mile range truck). To get 344 miles, I’d need to get 2.63 miles/kWh. I’ll be on the freeway for most of it, so it’s likely I’ll be stuck around 2.2-2.5 miles/kWh (it’s mostly downhill, so I might get as much as 3 miles/kWh for some parts of the drive).

The trip’s one-way distance will be 271 miles on almost entirely interstate. The truck won’t need me to stop, but holding it for 4+ hours reminds me of being a teacher and having to hold it for 6+ hours at a time. I don’t need that in my life right now. So I’ll stop once in the Phoenix area for a quick pee & charge break—might as well charge while I’m stopped.
 
I should say, again, that almost none of this actually goes through my head when I’m prepping for a road trip. This is what goes through my head:


Make a list of things to pack.
Add to list: make sure the truck is at 100% sometime before we leave. Might as well do that now. Open app, tell truck to charge.
Start packing and checking things off list.
Truck tells me it’s at 100% state of charge. Check that off the list.

Start trip.
Pee break, find a charger near somewhere I can pee.
Plug in.
Go pee.
Grab lunch.

Tell Google to take me to my destination.
Google suggests a charge stop. Accept it without caring because it’s probably fine or it’s wrong and I’ll deal with that in a couple of hours.
Start driving.

Pee break. Check Google’s suggested charge stop. Nah, stop at later charger.
Stop, plug in. Go to the restroom. Grab a snack or meal.
Repeat.
 
It's really down to multitasking during fast charges. Our 255mi range ID.4 equates to 4h of driving before stopping to charge at which point I need to stop anyway so being able to stop/stretch/bathroom/eat all while charging is a no brainer and actually an efficient use of time. The only added effort is simply planning ahead where that stop will be vs spontaneously pulling over.
 
On the way to Tucson, I stopped south of Phoenix for a quick restroom break and snack. Didn’t need to charge, but did it anyway.

The truck says my efficiency was 2.9 miles/kWh on the way down for this first leg. For the 131 kWh battery in the Lightning, that’s 380 miles range. It was mostly downhill. I set the cruise control at 73 mph.

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I hadn’t finished eating before I got the notification from the truck that it had reached 80% and was going to dramatically slow its charge rate. By the time I had thrown away my trash and gotten back to the truck, it was at 82%. Just 21 minutes after I plugged in, I was ready to go again.

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The second leg of the trip was only a little over 100 miles on flat ground and with a head wind. I only achieved 2.3 miles/kWh.

The trip’s average efficiency was 273 miles / ((169 miles / 2.9 miles/kWh) + 104 miles / 2.3 miles/kWh)) = 2.64 miles/kWh. Nearly exactly what the truck guessed I would get at the beginning of my trip.

Going up the mountain, from ~2400 feet to 7000 feet is going to be a lot more energy intensive and I will need to charge at least once in the Phoenix area.
 
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Spent the weekend in Tucson charging on an L1 charger. I used the Lightning to run a couple of errands while there, but most of the weekend was spent hanging out with friends at a rental house. Got recharged to 100% yesterday afternoon.

Drove home today. Google said the 17 was closed for construction at one point, so I took the back way home. I prefer the back way, so didn't need much convincing. I stopped in Payson for a restroom and nap break. Didn't need to charge, but plugged in anyway since I was there. Took a 15 minute nap, woke up to about 35% more charge than I needed to get home, but whatever.

Total distance back home was 280 miles at 2.2 miles/kWh. Despite the lower speed on the state highway vs the interstate, we also climbed about a mile in elevation.

Overall, I made at least one unnecessary fast charging stop for a 553 mile round trip. I could have skipped the stop on the way down but the L1 charge would likely not have put the truck all the way up to 100%, so I may have needed the stop in Payson. Or I could have skipped the charge in Payson. But I needed the shut-eye anyway.

Round trip efficiency was 2.4 miles/kWh, not counting the low speed errands in town over the weekend.