The gas tank needs to be bigger on the Harvester models

[JoeSchmoe]

I'm really excited that Scout is finally making a proper EREV truck and suv for the American market. I think Ford and GM should have launched their EV trucks with an EREV option from the beginning. The primary use case of my current Honda Ridgeline is to tow a small 14ft ,~2000 pound camper. It gets around 25 mpg normally on the highway and about 10-12 towing the trailer. High speed plus the aero drag of a trailer causes terrible fuel economy. We have high speed limits out west up to 80mph so I usually have to go at least 70 to not be run off the road. It has a 20 gallon gas tank which means I can only realistically go about 170 miles between fill ups while towing without getting super nervous especially if the gas stations are 30+ miles apart in the middle of nowhere.

If the EREV Scouts are going to get around 150 miles of EV range then 350 miles on the 15 gallon tank, that equates to 23mpg which should end up with the same 10-12 mpg when towing at highway speeds. The 15 gallon tank is really going to be a problem for longer drives. Sure I'd get about 75 miles towing in EV mode from the battery, but after that, if I'm just relying on gas for the rest of the trip, I only have a towing range of ~150-180 miles. You don't want to run until empty and with gas stations 30+ miles apart that makes your realistic towing range between stops close to 120 miles. This range limitation is already annoying in my gas truck with a 20 gallon tank. It's going to be much worse with only a 15 gallon tank. Having the gas can option is nice, but for regular trips, I don't want to have to pull over and use the gas can on the side of the road. That should only be for emergencies or extended off grid camping trips.

Please make the gas tank 25 gallons or bigger for those of us that tow.

 

[dreamweaver]

Straight from the horses mouth webpage. Click to enlarge to read.

 

[LonnyMacD]

Well that’s Eff’d up. Now I know why people are asking about a bigger gas tank. That’s a huge subtraction of battery…

 

[LonnyMacD]

Straight from the horses mouth webpage. Click to enlarge to read.
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Again, without the subtext, you’re led to believe that the Harvester adds 150mi . . .

 

[dreamweaver]

Again, without the subtext, you’re led to believe that the Harvester adds 150mi . . .

EV Battery Chemistry NMC, Size 120-130 kWh 350 Miles Battery Range

EREV Battery Chemistry LFP, 60-70 kWh 150 Miles Battery Range + 350 Miles Gas Range Extender Range

 

[J Alynn]

They’ve said mainly in interviews that the put batter range on harvester models will be 150, due to smaller batteries to accommodate the harvester systems. This is confusion is on scouts end, they don’t make it very clear on the website, but I assume that’s planned to change once the production models are finalized or with the first major website overhaul

I agree they list both but don’t break down the harvester ranges so maybe that is why people are confused. Maybe @Jamie@ScoutMotors could talk to the team and have them clarify that a bit

 

[cyure]

I agree they list both but don’t break down the harvester ranges so maybe that is why people are confused. Maybe @Jamie@ScoutMotors could talk to the team and have them clarify that a bit

Yes that would be helpful. There’s at least one video out there for sure with a woman reviewing the after reveal and she says 350 battery/150 gas. With stuff like that floating around it would be helpful to have is spelled out on the website.

 

[RodorW]

Unfortunately, like with any company it’s very easy to assume the worst so it is very easy to assume the misleading words are intentional to help drive reservations. I would love to be wrong but it’s hard to see it in a more positive way.

 

[THil08]

I agree they list both but don’t break down the harvester ranges so maybe that is why people are confused. Maybe @Jamie@ScoutMotors could talk to the team and have them clarify that a bit

Jamie has clued to that specs are coming soon. Somewhere on here, i only remember that because i marked down everyday on my calendar with Scout motors spec release today?

 

[THil08]

I agree they list both but don’t break down the harvester ranges so maybe that is why people are confused. Maybe @Jamie@ScoutMotors could talk to the team and have them clarify that a bit

And the closest thing we have to the team, is drum roll please....


Uncle Scotty!!!!!!

 

[J Alynn]

Jamie has clued to that specs are coming soon. Somewhere on here, i only remember that because i marked down everyday on my calendar with Scout motors spec release today?

I bet you do. Now if only the CMF video would get posted

 

[THil08]

I bet you do. Now if only the CMF video would get posted

That’s also on my calendar. But the real date is showing up in 2027 which I think I might have done…

 

[J Alynn]

That’s also on my calendar. But the real date is showing up in 2027 which I think I might have done…

You think?

 

[J Alynn]

That’s also on my calendar. But the real date is showing up in 2027 which I think I might have done…

I’m generally not one to throw people under the bus but I’m pretty sure you single handedly killed that one for all of us

 

[RodorW]

A little random but today while I was driving around for work, I was thinking about this topic regarding the fuel tank and started thinking about how many people will treat the EREV the way they’ve treated plug-in hybrids where they will never plug them in and only fuel them with gasoline, which probably won’t help very much with converting people to future electric cars and surely will only increase the maintenance routine on whatever “generator” is in the vehicle

 

[THil08]

A little random but today while I was driving around for work, I was thinking about this topic regarding the fuel tank and started thinking about how many people will treat the EREV the way they’ve treated plug-in hybrids where they will never plug them in and only fuel them with gasoline, which probably won’t help very much with converting people to future electric cars and surely will only increase the maintenance routine on whatever “generator” is in the vehicle

Well CEO Scott Keogh, has already said that the harvester gives the option to be able to pretty much be gas and go concept, In a few keynote presentations. Maintenance Schedule is still a question, but it will probably be able to be done at home in the driveway with common hand tools, so that definitely helps with ownership. Since its one less thing the owner has to worry about.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

I can talk to the team to better clarify this. I reads fine to me, but I'm a bit too close to it.

The full battery electric vehicle gets a projected 350 miles of range.
The Harvester Range Extender gives you up to 150 miles of full battery electric range and range gets extended an additional 350 miles thanks to the onboard gasoline generator.

The average person drives 30-40 miles per day. 150 miles of pure BEV range cover's most people's daily drives. But if you jump on the highway for an extended trip, the gasoline generator will kick on to help add range and stay ahead of a low state of charge. In most normal uses you should run out of fuel before you run out of battery. So you will be able to pull into a gas station, fuel up and keep driving. You can also pull over and charge with the gasoline generator or charge off the generator when you are at a campsite for an extended period. The Range Extender also functions offroad while driving.

 

[RodorW]

Well CEO Scott Keogh, has already said that the harvester gives the option to be able to pretty much be gas and go concept, In a few keynote presentations. Maintenance Schedule is still a question, but it will probably be able to be done at home in the driveway with common hand tools, so that definitely helps with ownership. Since it’s one less thing the owner has to worry about.

Yeah, but many people aren’t willing to give the Electric side of things a chance, running those lines Rex bmws without a single charge or buying a volt and never once charging it. But that misses the biggest selling point of EV to me, which is the convenience of refueling at home and the difference in fuel costs for gas and electric. Our volt since we’ve had it has only been to the gas twice and we’ve had it for a year and a half. It left a lot at half a tank. We stopped to top it off and then we refilled it a couple of months ago from a quarter tank.

 

[J Alynn]

A little random but today while I was driving around for work, I was thinking about this topic regarding the fuel tank and started thinking about how many people will treat the EREV the way they’ve treated plug-in hybrids where they will never plug them in and only fuel them with gasoline, which probably won’t help very much with converting people to future electric cars and surely will only increase the maintenance routine on whatever “generator” is in the vehicle

Very likely. Still why I think the BEV should come first to get people to swap and realize how great they can be

 

[RodorW]

Very likely. Still why I think the BEV should come first to get people to swap and realize how great they can be

Yeah, most people don’t even realize they charge from a normal 120 wall outlet. I’ve seen so may unhealthy cars from poor habits, like never changing the fluids or relying on the generator/engine for driving. The benefit of an EV is the lack of constant maintenance I only have to go in a tire change rotation every couple of months

 

[RodorW]

I can talk to the team to better clarify this. I reads fine to me, but I'm a bit too close to it.

The full battery electric vehicle gets a projected 350 miles of range.
The Harvester Range Extender gives you up to 150 miles of full battery electric range and range gets extended an additional 350 miles thanks to the onboard gasoline generator.

The average person drives 30-40 miles per day. 150 miles of pure BEV range cover's most people's daily drives. But if you jump on the highway for an extended trip, the gasoline generator will kick on to help add range and stay ahead of a low state of charge. In most normal uses you should run out of fuel before you run out of battery. So you will be able to pull into a gas station, fuel up and keep driving. You can also pull over and charge with the gasoline generator or charge off the generator when you are at a campsite for an extended period. The Range Extender also functions offroad while driving.

From my view when I was deciding for my goals a couple of weeks ago I was looking at the SilveradoEV and Terra. There’s obviously a lot more out there about the SilveradoEV since it’s a production vehicle, but as I was looking at anything I could find, I was under the impression it was 350 battery for both BEV and Harvester and I was leaning harvester. But In a TFL video I heard the “150 Battery” mentioned wry casually and had to listen a couple of times, and referenced the site but it doesn’t seem very clear on the site. I ultimately prefer full BEV regardless, but when I was under the presumption it was 350 EV+150 Harvester I was willing to consider it for the times I would want to travel 500+ miles as quickly as possible for trails and camping with friends. However my daily mileage can easily exceed 150 miles that would mean running the harvester almost daily which would increase the chance for more maintenance needs and more fuel costs.