Is there anything SM could offer to get you to switch from EREV to BEV?

[Mousehunter]

The main excuses I can see prioritizing one over the other is supply line restraints. Battery availability will determine a lot, engine availability will determine a lot (and honestly, a lot more little parts in that engine).

Second possible issue is tech. We have been 2 years out of a battery revolution for the better part of a decade. But if it happens, like 100% sure it has already started, then I can see the EV getting a slight postpone if the availability of the already commercially made super batteries is limited. I really can not guess the level of hate if the 2028 edition either weighs a ton more than the 2029 or has 1/2 the range. Only mitigating factor would be the price of the super batteries. People would hate less if the LFP stayed the same price, but the super battery cost $20k more.

In all honesty - I don't really see affordable super batteries happening this decade though. CATL Condensed is probably the closest to production (it was announced in 2023), and it will not be cheap until there is competition. But apparently they are still hoping for production - wait - in 2 years.

 

[cyure]

The main excuses I can see prioritizing one over the other is supply line restraints. Battery availability will determine a lot, engine availability will determine a lot (and honestly, a lot more little parts in that engine).

Second possible issue is tech. We have been 2 years out of a battery revolution for the better part of a decade. But if it happens, like 100% sure it has already started, then I can see the EV getting a slight postpone if the availability of the already commercially made super batteries is limited. I really can not guess the level of hate if the 2028 edition either weighs a ton more than the 2029 or has 1/2 the range. Only mitigating factor would be the price of the super batteries. People would hate less if the LFP stayed the same price, but the super battery cost $20k more.

In all honesty - I don't really see affordable super batteries happening this decade though. CATL Condensed is probably the closest to production (it was announced in 2023), and it will not be cheap until there is competition. But apparently they are still hoping for production - wait - in 2 years.

I will say what I always do…faith and patience.

There’s advantages to going first and advantages to waiting. ICE cars are the same. The first year Supra was about 60 hp less and didn’t have the stabilizer bars under the hood and I think there might have been a few other things. That’s why I have to love what I buy.

 

[J Alynn]

The main excuses I can see prioritizing one over the other is supply line restraints. Battery availability will determine a lot, engine availability will determine a lot (and honestly, a lot more little parts in that engine).

Second possible issue is tech. We have been 2 years out of a battery revolution for the better part of a decade. But if it happens, like 100% sure it has already started, then I can see the EV getting a slight postpone if the availability of the already commercially made super batteries is limited. I really can not guess the level of hate if the 2028 edition either weighs a ton more than the 2029 or has 1/2 the range. Only mitigating factor would be the price of the super batteries. People would hate less if the LFP stayed the same price, but the super battery cost $20k more.

In all honesty - I don't really see affordable super batteries happening this decade though. CATL Condensed is probably the closest to production (it was announced in 2023), and it will not be cheap until there is competition. But apparently they are still hoping for production - wait - in 2 years.

I hear you but Jamie has already implied nothing is close enough at this point to justify new tech that lacks true real world testing so I don’t see that as a valid delay but I get your point that parts restraint could slow one or the other. But again-the engine location is still being moved around to help with towing so there is still a lot to nail down with the harvester that isn’t gonna be a problem with the straight BEV. Time will tell

 

[Mousehunter]

Parts restraint has limited the production of quite a few vehicles this current decade. I don't know if the memory chip shortage will continue, but that one type of chip is limiting a lot of production right now. That said, I don't see it effecting one model over another at this point. Battery production has limited the roll out of some EV's (Tesla had to figure out the 4850's for the Cybertruck - which was part of its delay, part of it missing its price point).

Likewise, my crystal ball does not see any looming tech innovation disrupting anything at the moment directly. I only see it as a possible reason for several of the other EV trucks getting brakes put on production. I see the move to EREV's as a sign there is going to be a somewhat longer wait till we have a major shift in battery tech - a long enough wait that a gap filler is necessary.

 

[JBernhardFL]

I love my current BEV.
I went with the EREV for one reason only. I live in South Florida and we have storms that can knock out power for multiple weeks. My Westinghouse trifurl generator doesn’t produce less than 5% THD which is what’s needed for EV charging safely. I could get a separate inverter or buy a new generator it just seems like a waste. I honestly would love to be totally BEV with having one the last two years I just can’t not have my car be powered following a storm.

 

[Dacker]

Call me crazy, but outside of a few use cases, I think most people should be on the BEV bandwagon once they really think about it. EREV really sounded great to me when I first heard about it, but the more I thought about it, the more I don't feel like I need it. It's likely going to be more expensive, the battery is smaller, lower tow capacity, and the biggest issue to me is maintenance. A big advantage of an EV is the low maintenance. Why would I throw away that advantage by adding a largely unnecessary ICE? And all of this is to maybe shave a small amount of time off during the few road trips I take a year. Team BEV, baby.

Exactly...

 

[MasterSpam]

With all I have learned on this forum, looking at my driving use cases, and the fact that EVs are a lot less maintenance I have officially switched my reservation to a BEV. I’m on the EV bandwagon!

Now there’s been lots of discussion about which will come first, EREV or BEV. Let’s say the BEV comes out first could Scout offer something to entice EREV reservation holders to take the leap and buy a BEV.

What would it take to get you EREV reservation holders to purchase the BEV? A free home charger? Money towards the installation? Buy a BEV and get moved to the front of the line for an EREV (Rivian was doing that. If you leased an R1 it got you moved to the front of the line for an R2. They told me that when I test drove one last year).

What do you all think? You fence sitters what would push you over the edge??

Nope!

 

[MasterSpam]

I’m centered between 2 active and three mile island soon to be 3 active nuclear plants-about 40 mile radius. If we are ever attacked I’m a goner no matter what as those three being hit wipes out most of the NE coast and heavily impacts DC so heaven forbid the day ever comes at least I know it will be quick

This is why you want a 1960s era car with few electronics, if any, Replace a condenser maybe and off you go, as long as you can find gas...

 

[Firemedic2714]

With all I have learned on this forum, looking at my driving use cases, and the fact that EVs are a lot less maintenance I have officially switched my reservation to a BEV. I’m on the EV bandwagon!

Now there’s been lots of discussion about which will come first, EREV or BEV. Let’s say the BEV comes out first could Scout offer something to entice EREV reservation holders to take the leap and buy a BEV.

What would it take to get you EREV reservation holders to purchase the BEV? A free home charger? Money towards the installation? Buy a BEV and get moved to the front of the line for an EREV (Rivian was doing that. If you leased an R1 it got you moved to the front of the line for an R2. They told me that when I test drove one last year).

What do you all think? You fence sitters what would push you over the edge??

I would need much, much better charger infrastructure in the more central and rural parts of.Massachusets and major.highways. rn it's sporadic

 

[R1TVT]

I would need much, much better charger infrastructure in the more central and rural parts of.Massachusets and major.highways. rn it's sporadic

For starters, the state of MASS is approximately 190 miles from East to West.

If you have 350 miles of range, Mass is hardly a problem for charging.

This map is filtered on 150-350+kW chargers (CCS1, NACS & J1772 to be precise);

 

[speedrye]

For starters, the state of MASS is approximately 190 miles from East to West.

If you have 350 miles of range, Mass is hardly a problem for charging.

This map is filtered on 150-350+kW chargers (CCS1, NACS & J1772 to be precise);

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Sitting for hours, stuck on the turnpike at 3 degrees might be a problem though. Maybe that's just my experience, haha.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Sitting for hours, stuck on the turnpike at 3 degrees might be a problem though. Maybe that's just my experience, haha.

EVs are better suited for that kind of situation than ice vehicles, even at 3 degrees. You don’t use much energy when you’re not moving; no idling engine to feed.

 

[speedrye]

EVs are better suited for that kind of situation than ice vehicles, even at 3 degrees. You don’t use much energy when you’re not moving; no idling engine to feed.

That really is the beauty of the newer heat pumps in EVs. Resistive heat is not your friend in a house or an EV. I haven't taken a deep dive into the newer EV heat pumps, but I'm familiar with house heat pumps. The newer house units are still effective down to -10 or so, a far cry from what they could do a decade ago. At what temps do EV heat pumps lose their ability to heat effectively?

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I would need much, much better charger infrastructure in the more central and rural parts of.Massachusets and major.highways. rn it's sporadic

Everywhere in Mass is within 50 miles of at least one and usually more than one DCFC station. And there are hundreds and hundreds of L2 stations. It's one of the best-covered states. I'd be comfortable with an old Leaf with only 67 miles range as my only vehicle in Mass.

Post in thread 'Long distance EV towing video'

Feb 3, 2026

The funny thing about sparsely populated areas of the country..

Most people don't live in them.

That's why they're sparsely populated.

The other problem is that the maps for DCFCs just show points at a particular scale. That’s ALWAYS misleading. Instead of points on a map, the charger maps should display some standardized range “covered” by the charger. In my case, I’m using 50 miles (80 km) because if you have 100 miles remaining range, you know you can get back to where you started if the charger at the 50 mile distance doesn’t work for you.

Here’s a comparison between...

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[R1TVT]

Sitting for hours, stuck on the turnpike at 3 degrees might be a problem though. Maybe that's just my experience, haha.

3 degrees?

I've hit -21F on my infotainment thermometer.

This was 2 weeks ago 2.5 hours into a trip:

 

[speedrye]

3 degrees?

I've hit -21F on my infotainment thermometer.

This was 2 weeks ago 2.5 hours into a trip:

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I don't miss New England winters. I wasn't happy with the 3F we hit a few weeks ago here in the Carolinas. The old Trane heat pumps weren't doing crap in those temperatures.

 

[R1TVT]

I don't miss New England winters. I wasn't happy with the 3F we hit a few weeks ago here in the Carolinas. The old Trane heat pumps weren't doing crap in those temperatures.

I live for winter, but you've got to own it.

If I wasn't able to enjoy it with skiing, pond hockey, fatbiking & escaping into the backcountry, it would probably own me and I'd move.

Carolinas are awesome - some of the nicest people in the country, but I need New England Winter.

 

[LastDayScout]

For starters, the state of MASS is approximately 190 miles from East to West.

If you have 350 miles of range, Mass is hardly a problem for charging.

This map is filtered on 150-350+kW chargers (CCS1, NACS & J1772 to be precise);

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They need one at Gibbet Hill Grill in Groton so I can charge while I dine before returning to Boston.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

I think an EPA 450-500 mile range for the Terra (validated by 3rd party Yahoo’s YouTubers) would pretty much cinch it for me.