Is there anything SM could offer to get you to switch from EREV to BEV?

[Artoo]

I reserved an EREV for two reasons - I (mistakenly) believed the battery-only range would be a lot better than it looks like it’ll be, and I wanted gas capability for those way-off-the-grid places I want to go where the nearest charger might be too far away. However, having owned a mach-e for a year now w/320 mile range (280-310 realistically), 250+ miles is a long, long distance and I think any off-roading I’d do would be maybe a few tens of miles at a time. The issue would really be is there a charger within 50-100 miles of the spot where I want to do a, say, 15-40 mile out, 15-40 mile back off-road trip. In CA, probably.

The only time the Mustang’s range is an issue is on long road trips, and we can’t always drive to the end of its range because of where chargers are. Certain directions, like going north on 101 or I-5 from SoCal to NorCal result in VERY noticeably worse mileage than going the other way due to prevailing winds and elevation gains.

While my desire would be full BEV and I really don’t want to go back to gas at all, I also want to start exploring now. Not getting any younger and all that. I’ve kept my reservation as EREV mainly b/c I’ve seen comments/threads here that the EREV vehicle will be released first.

I would very likely switch if BEV is any of the following: released first or less than a year after EREV, if they’re able to get the range to 350-400+, is over ~$5,000 cheaper than EREV. The towing aspect of the EREV isn’t a concern for me, but I do want the hitch for a rear bike rack.

 

[cyure]

I reserved an EREV for two reasons - I (mistakenly) believed the battery-only range would be a lot better than it looks like it’ll be, and I wanted gas capability for those way-off-the-grid places I want to go where the nearest charger might be too far away. However, having owned a mach-e for a year now w/320 mile range (280-310 realistically), 250+ miles is a long, long distance and I think any off-roading I’d do would be maybe a few tens of miles at a time. The issue would really be is there a charger within 50-100 miles of the spot where I want to do a, say, 15-40 mile out, 15-40 mile back off-road trip. In CA, probably.

The only time the Mustang’s range is an issue is on long road trips, and we can’t always drive to the end of its range because of where chargers are. Certain directions, like going north on 101 or I-5 from SoCal to NorCal result in VERY noticeably worse mileage than going the other way due to prevailing winds and elevation gains.

While my desire would be full BEV and I really don’t want to go back to gas at all, I also want to start exploring now. Not getting any younger and all that. I’ve kept my reservation as EREV mainly b/c I’ve seen comments/threads here that the EREV vehicle will be released first.

I would very likely switch if BEV is any of the following: released first or less than a year after EREV, if they’re able to get the range to 350-400+, is over ~$5,000 cheaper than EREV. The towing aspect of the EREV isn’t a concern for me, but I do want the hitch for a rear bike rack.

It’s a big decision. I started with a EREV and switched to a BEV for many of the reasons you stated.

As far as which one will be released first, none of us know. Those articles that started the whole thing seemed to be from AI generated info and not through any specific information put out by Scout. We just have to wait and see.

The nice thing is we can change our reservation at anytime and order whatever we want when it’s our turn.

 

[RodorW]

released first or less than a year after EREV,

this doesn’t seem like much of an issue to me based solely on the numbers we know. If I’m not mistaken, the expected number of vehicles the factory should be able to pump out in a year is 240,000+\-, the reported number of reservations that’s floating around is 130,000 roughly 80% of which is EREV(?) so the next question becomes how many of the total reservations will turn into orders? Numbers will change and so will the interest from certain people in this vehicle overtime before it’s released but based on the numbers right now, it seems very likely that if they focus on getting reservation orders completed within the first year EREV or BEV should both be delivered within that time. The only way I don’t see that happening would be scout focusing on ERV‘s getting them out to the reservation holders and then making a mass amount to put on for sale ignoring the battery electric reservation holders turned orders.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

this doesn’t seem like much of an issue to me based solely on the numbers we know. If I’m not mistaken, the expected number of vehicles the factory should be able to pump out in a year is 240,000+\-, the reported number of reservations that’s floating around is 130,000 roughly 80% of which is EREV(?) so the next question becomes how many of the total reservations will turn into orders? Numbers will change and so will the interest from certain people in this vehicle overtime before it’s released but based on the numbers right now, it seems very likely that if they focus on getting reservation orders completed within the first year EREV or BEV should both be delivered within that time. The only way I don’t see that happening would be scout focusing on ERV‘s getting them out to the reservation holders and then making a mass amount to put on for sale ignoring the battery electric reservation holders turned orders.

On the one hand, it takes time to ramp up, I’m sure they won’t be producing that many vehicles in their first year. On the other hand, I suspect a fair number of reservation holders won’t convert to actual sales/leases. Splitting the difference, I’m guessing most folks that have reservations now will have an opportunity to buy within the first year or so, but I’m sure that the first few months will be overflowing with anticipation and no doubt accompanied by a certain amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth

But I have no knowledge, this is pure speculation on my part.

 

[RodorW]

On the one hand, it takes time to ramp up, I’m sure they won’t be producing that many vehicles in their first year. On the other hand, I suspect a fair number of reservation holders won’t convert to actual sales/leases. Splitting the difference, I’m guessing most folks that have reservations now will have an opportunity to buy within the first year or so, but I’m sure that the first few months will be overflowing with anticipation and no doubt accompanied by a certain amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth

But I have no knowledge, this is pure speculation on my part.

As far as ramp up time we’ll just be waiting to see, but I just don’t think it matters whether they prioritize EREV‘s over BEV‘s because I doubt the amount of reservations they have will translate into the exact amount of orders they will take from reservation holders. I could be wrong and for scouts sake, that would be a great thing, but on the chance, my current speculation is correct every reservation holder will most likely have a vehicle within a timely manner it doesn’t matter which powertrain you’ve chosen unless scout prioritizes EREV overstock over BEV pre-orders

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

IIRC Scott said something about 50K production the first year or two. My reservation was in May and there were about 60K at the time already, which means my que spot is probably a year out from initial production. Not a problem for me really. That affords a little more time to save up

 

[Chuckles]

this doesn’t seem like much of an issue to me based solely on the numbers we know. If I’m not mistaken, the expected number of vehicles the factory should be able to pump out in a year is 240,000+\-, the reported number of reservations that’s floating around is 130,000 roughly 80% of which is EREV(?) so the next question becomes how many of the total reservations will turn into orders? Numbers will change and so will the interest from certain people in this vehicle overtime before it’s released but based on the numbers right now, it seems very likely that if they focus on getting reservation orders completed within the first year EREV or BEV should both be delivered within that time. The only way I don’t see that happening would be scout focusing on ERV‘s getting them out to the reservation holders and then making a mass amount to put on for sale ignoring the battery electric reservation holders turned orders.

200,000 units from Blythewood is the most quoted number I have seen.

 

[cyure]

IIRC Scott said something about 50K production the first year or two. My reservation was in May and there were about 60K at the time already, which means my que spot is probably a year out from initial production. Not a problem for me really. That affords a little more time to save up

It also depends on what trims get made first. @R1TVT mentioned that he had an earlier reservation than his friend, but his friend got his first because of their color choices. There’s lots of variables it sounds like.

 

[RodorW]

200,000 units from Blythewood is the most quoted number I have seen.

It was said in an interview, not sure which one though, but I want to say it was more recent

 

[RodorW]

It also depends on what trims get made first. @R1TVT mentioned that he had an earlier reservation than his friend, but his friend got his first because of their color choices. There’s lots of variables it sounds like.

Exactly! The main thing I'm trying to say, is that I don't fully agree with the "dooming" about scout prioritizing EREV over BEV. I do think Scout will prioritize every Reservation that becomes an order whether that's 10K or 200K Those are all real customers with money on the table, and making more EREVs just to push them to people that didn't have a reservation wouldn't be very fair to those with $60k+ on BEV. I would also imagine that BEV would be a little easy to produce over the EREV, but that's not really my wheelhouse. Hopefully Scout will either alternate or run both productions at the same time once the plant srarts full operations. And just to ask in general, are there any numbers from Rivian about the percentage reservation conversions? Or for something like the SilveradoEV/HummerEV I have a friend that had a reservation for all three but only through with the R1S.

 

[dreamweaver]

Exactly! The main thing I'm trying to say, is that I don't fully agree with the "dooming" about scout prioritizing EREV over BEV. I do think Scout will prioritize every Reservation that becomes an order whether that's 10K or 200K Those are all real customers with money on the table, and making more EREVs just to push them to people that didn't have a reservation wouldn't be very fair to those with $60k+ on BEV. I would also imagine that BEV would be a little easy to produce over the EREV, but that's not really my wheelhouse. Hopefully Scout will either alternate or run both productions at the same time once the plant srarts full operations. And just to ask in general, are there any numbers from Rivian about the percentage reservation conversions? Or for something like the SilveradoEV/HummerEV I have a friend that had a reservation for all three but only through with the R1S.

If they use some of the new assembly line technologies like the Ford Motor Company tree assembly it is very easy to drop in a mix of vehicles on the fly. Here is a nice video showing this new kind of assembly process.

https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/articles/2025/ford-reinvents-vehicle-assembly-new-production-system-platform

 

[J Alynn]

I reserved an EREV for two reasons - I (mistakenly) believed the battery-only range would be a lot better than it looks like it’ll be, and I wanted gas capability for those way-off-the-grid places I want to go where the nearest charger might be too far away. However, having owned a mach-e for a year now w/320 mile range (280-310 realistically), 250+ miles is a long, long distance and I think any off-roading I’d do would be maybe a few tens of miles at a time. The issue would really be is there a charger within 50-100 miles of the spot where I want to do a, say, 15-40 mile out, 15-40 mile back off-road trip. In CA, probably.

The only time the Mustang’s range is an issue is on long road trips, and we can’t always drive to the end of its range because of where chargers are. Certain directions, like going north on 101 or I-5 from SoCal to NorCal result in VERY noticeably worse mileage than going the other way due to prevailing winds and elevation gains.

While my desire would be full BEV and I really don’t want to go back to gas at all, I also want to start exploring now. Not getting any younger and all that. I’ve kept my reservation as EREV mainly b/c I’ve seen comments/threads here that the EREV vehicle will be released first.

I would very likely switch if BEV is any of the following: released first or less than a year after EREV, if they’re able to get the range to 350-400+, is over ~$5,000 cheaper than EREV. The towing aspect of the EREV isn’t a concern for me, but I do want the hitch for a rear bike rack.

The EREV first is a rumor from the media side. SM has not announced which is first as of yet

 

[J Alynn]

As far as ramp up time we’ll just be waiting to see, but I just don’t think it matters whether they prioritize EREV‘s over BEV‘s because I doubt the amount of reservations they have will translate into the exact amount of orders they will take from reservation holders. I could be wrong and for scouts sake, that would be a great thing, but on the chance, my current speculation is correct every reservation holder will most likely have a vehicle within a timely manner it doesn’t matter which powertrain you’ve chosen unless scout prioritizes EREV overstock over BEV pre-orders

SM has also said the production line can handle both at the same time so maybe more EREVs to hit demand but not sure why they wouldn’t do both simultaneously. In fact the EREV stuff is still being figured out and BEV is nearly ready for production as far as final specs so I would still think BEVs would roll first

 

[J Alynn]

200,000 units from Blythewood is the most quoted number I have seen.

That’s definitely been repeated multiple times

 

[J Alynn]

It also depends on what trims get made first. @R1TVT mentioned that he had an earlier reservation than his friend, but his friend got his first because of their color choices. There’s lots of variables it sounds like.

Same thing happened with Broncos and if you don’t want to compromise on a specific feature you may wait longer. Not the end of the world but guess we will learn all that in time

 

[J Alynn]

They devel

If they use some of the new assembly line technologies like the Ford Motor Company tree assembly it is very easy to drop in a mix of vehicles on the fly. Here is a nice video showing this new kind of assembly process.

https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/articles/2025/ford-reinvents-vehicle-assembly-new-production-system-platform

the production plant was created using one of their German brand relatives/engineers who did a bunch so I’m guessing it will be a different kind of assembly process but who knows