Paddle Shifters For Adjusting Regen

[Variable430]

Currently have an EQS and have zero love for one pedal driving. The EQS has paddle shifters to adjust the level of brake regen manually and on the fly - effectively it serves as a synthetic down shift and provides a much more interactive driving experience. I believe the Ioniq has this as well. Please strongly consider adopting this technology and it should include the ability to completely disengage regeneration as one of the modes.

 

[J Alynn]

I disagree. It poses as an advantage for coming down hills and it's great. I do a lot off roading. My MIT's Outlander PHEV has 5 settings for Regen sensitivity and it's helpful. I wish my off roader had it

Welcome aboard!

 

[AlanL]

paddle shifters to adjust the level of brake regen manually and on the fly - effectively it serves as a synthetic down shift and provides a much more interactive driving experience

Finally somebody else who gets it! This is exactly the desired behavior for downgrades when towing, the regen is on for the entire grade and adjusted in strength to adjust speed for more or less steep sections. The friction brakes are only used to slow down for a corner, with ICE engine resistance downshifting does not react quickly enough.

 

[blacktip007]

I like paddle shifters. Choice is good. Afew points brought up in this conversation including towing options are valid. Also setting a custom driving profile shouldn't be that difficult. We want a smart vehicle that can allow for all variants of use case.

 

[J Alynn]

I like paddle shifters. Choice is good. Afew points brought up in this conversation including towing options are valid. Also setting a custom driving profile shouldn't be that difficult. We want a smart vehicle that can allow for all variants of use case.

Welcome to the forum!

 

[strider]

Finally somebody else who gets it! This is exactly the desired behavior for downgrades when towing, the regen is on for the entire grade and adjusted in strength to adjust speed for more or less steep sections. The friction brakes are only used to slow down for a corner, with ICE engine resistance downshifting does not react quickly enough.

How is this different from OPD? The amount of regen is simply controlled by the position of your right foot.

 

[strider]

The problem with only having regen on the gas pedal is you either end up limiting how much regen you have, or you have to very carefully feather the gas so your passengers don’t get seasick. Paddles make it easy, so opd folks get what they want, coasters get what they want and everyone in between gets whatever they want, especially when someone else drives who’s may not have a “profile” set.

A driver can make people seasick by surging whether it's an EV or ICE, OPD or not. Bad technique is bad technique. There is an adjustment period to having regen on the accelerator but it is measured in minutes or hours.

I don't understand everyone's obsession with "coasting". One should never coast with feet off of the pedals. With OPD it is just so simple. If you want to slow down slowly, lift your foot slowly. If you want to slow down quickly, lift your foot quickly (and cover the brake in case you need more braking). It is so intuitive to just modulate your right foot to speed up, slow down, or hold your speed, all while keeping your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

How is this different from OPD? The amount of regen is simply controlled by the position of your right foot.

With OPD you only have one choice, and it is rarely the choice I want. 99% of the time when I take my foot off the gas the gas I want to either coast or gently reduce speed. Using my foot to very carefully adjust regen is terrible ergonomics for me, and many people’s experience indicates that most drivers aren’t very good at it, ie lots of people report motion sickness in EVs, giving EVs a bad name.

I’m sure you’re great at it, and no one is suggesting that the option is removed, we’re just saying not everyone wants what you want. Having paddles allows me to control regen much easier and gives you what you want as well. I don’t see any downside to giving people some choice.

 

[dreamweaver]

I like paddle shifters. Choice is good. Afew points brought up in this conversation including towing options are valid. Also setting a custom driving profile shouldn't be that difficult. We want a smart vehicle that can allow for all variants of use case.

Scout. “People. Connections. Community. Authenticity." Welcome to the Scout community. Enjoy the ride.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

With OPD you only have one choice, and it is rarely the choice I want. 99% of the time when I take my foot off the gas the gas I want to either coast or gently reduce speed. Using my foot to very carefully adjust regen is terrible ergonomics for me, and many people’s experience indicates that most drivers aren’t very good at it, ie lots of people report motion sickness in EVs, giving EVs a bad name.

I’m sure you’re great at it, and no one is suggesting that the option is removed, we’re just saying not everyone wants what you want. Having paddles allows me to control regen much easier and gives you what you want as well. I don’t see any downside to giving people some choice.

This! Exactly this!

 

[AlanL]

How is this different from OPD? The amount of regen is simply controlled by the position of your right foot.

It is different because using the accelerator pedal is too fiddly, hard on an already tired right leg/foot, too easy to increase speed without meaning to, too distracting when attention needs to be on the road.

 

[AlanL]

I don't understand everyone's obsession with "coasting".

Maybe you should accept that other people have different opinions. Yours are right for you, theirs are right for them.

 

[R1TVT]

Maybe you should accept that other people have different opinions. Yours are right for you, theirs are right for them.

Agreed, but it cuts both ways... Sounds like a One-Pedal Drive Option + the ability to adjust regen on paddles would work for most people, in addition to having a number of DRIVE MODES that can be pre-configured for those of us that like the simplicity of getting in and driving with whatever our "standard way of driving is"... Last mode used being tied to the key (physical or otherwise) and also being the default for the next drive (not starting from scratch with settings everytime you get in the car.) Flexibility is key, and this is really table stakes at this point anyway, and will be by the time Scout launches.

 

[strider]

With OPD you only have one choice, and it is rarely the choice I want. 99% of the time when I take my foot off the gas the gas I want to either coast or gently reduce speed. Using my foot to very carefully adjust regen is terrible ergonomics for me, and many people’s experience indicates that most drivers aren’t very good at it, ie lots of people report motion sickness in EVs, giving EVs a bad name.

I’m sure you’re great at it, and no one is suggesting that the option is removed, we’re just saying not everyone wants what you want. Having paddles allows me to control regen much easier and gives you what you want as well. I don’t see any downside to giving people some choice.

I'm really not trying to be beligerent and I am fine with OPD + paddles as long as they are not Ferrari-sized.... But since we have 2.5 years before we get our Scouts we have nothing else to do but argue online

From the discussion on these threads it sounds like a lot of people treat the accelerator like an on/off switch. That is a really terrible way to drive.

I really think everyone is overthinking this. How do you maintain a speed when driving? By holding the accelerator at a certain place. If you are aiming for 65mph and you slow to 63 you press a little harder and if you speed up to 68 you let off a little. This is no different.

I agree that it takes some adjustment but it is very intuitive. When exiting the freeway in an ICE you are used to coasting down the offramp and then applying the brakes when get close to the end. In the OPD way, you simply keep driving down the offramp, slowly easing off of the accelerator the entire time. By the time you reach the stop light/sign at the bottom your foot is completely off and the car has come to a complete stop - no brake pedal required.

 

[AlanL]

I really think everyone is overthinking this. How do you maintain a speed when driving? By holding the accelerator at a certain place.

No, I use adaptive cruise control so I don't have to hold my right foot in a precise position for hours on end.

 

[R1TVT]

In the OPD way, you simply keep driving down the offramp, slowly easing off of the accelerator the entire time. By the time you reach the stop light/sign at the bottom your foot is completely off and the car has come to a complete stop - no brake pedal required.

I think most people understand that (and I do like that too), but it is personal preference for many...

No, I use adaptive cruise control so I don't have to hold my right foot in a precise position for hours on end.

I do the same on the HWY using Driver+... Makes HWY driving a breeze. Only really enjoy it when there isn't much traffic and I'm out in the country though.

 

[strider]

No, I use adaptive cruise control so I don't have to hold my right foot in a precise position for hours on end.

I do that as well. But even on a city street one would hold a speed (35mph or whatever) for some amount of time. Holding a speed is a basic tenet of driving.

Where are these places where one coasts for long periods?

 

[AlanL]

I do the same on the HWY using Driver+... Makes HWY driving a breeze. Only really enjoy it when there isn't much traffic and I'm out in the country though.

Interesting, I find adaptive cruise control at its best in moderate to heavy freeway traffic. It handles the speed while I watch for idiots making dangerous maneuvers.

BTW, how do you include multiple quotes in one reply?

 

[R1TVT]

I think you just start one reply, then move to another one you want to reply to and hit reply again before posting...

 

[J Alynn]

I do that as well. But even on a city street one would hold a speed (35mph or whatever) for some amount of time. Holding a speed is a basic tenet of driving.

Where are these places where one coasts for long periods?

I think the point is there can be a couple methods and we all get what we want. If you like OPD great but my take is we all can be open minded to flexible options. We are creatures of habit and comfort is important-even emotionally so the more people SM can make comfortable the more sales opportunities.
And I think of the forum as debate and teaching/educating not arguing. I’ve learned a ton of things over 2-1/2 years and that’s why I’m here-not to argue