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. Better make sure they have spare parts before doing anything to exciting/dumb 
Okay peeps how long did it take Rivian to have spare parts.Well that seems fair
I know Ineos had a stop sell from September of last year to I think it was April because they were short a critical part but they wouldn’t say what.
What do start ups typically do? How long till parts aren’t an issue?
Actually a valid point. New car from a new company building new supply chains for a car designed to go into places where damage happens. Couple that with typical first model year problems and the potential for having a bad time is real.Well that seems fair
Are you talking about when INEOS had to shut the production line down at the factory because of a supplier issue? That was rumored to be from Recaro becoming insolvent.
The rumor you heard is accurate—Recaro’s insolvency was the catalyst for Ineos’s production line shutdown. When you single source a part this can be catastrophic.
Ineos had to stop production because their supplier for seats, world famous Recaro, went bankrupt. Not Ineos' fault, however established automakers probably faired better since they could switch to one of their many other suppliers vs just having 1 company for all their seats. Advantage Scout on that concern since they could tap into VW's supply chain for other vendors if need be.
Honestly there's no guarantee any company will have a healthy supply of parts. I'm reminded of Doug DeMuro's old Land Rover that took 3 months to fix after this..
..because Land Rover simply didn't have any parts in stock. And that's an established automaker of course. I'm sure Scout will say they have a great plan to ensure cars are easily repaired with a healthy supply of parts, but the reality is we won't really know how well they execute on those plans until a year or two after launch.
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The problem is that almost all modern new/start-up automotive manufacturers have faced “unusual” supply chain issues: from the pandemic to the current trade-killing tariffs…
Genesis, the luxury spin-off from Hyundai, started in 2015 as its own brand. It sold ~400 cars in 2015 and ~58k in 2016. There was another jump in 2020 from 75k in 2019 to 132k in 2020. Its growth rate was then stunted by the pandemic.
Genesis didn’t have major supply chain issues to face in its early years.
One of the common ways automotive manufacturers have dealt with supply chain issues is to send out the vehicle anyway, with a promise of updating the vehicle when the parts come in. This obviously only works if the parts aren’t fundamental to the operation of the vehicle.
Ford removed a bunch of features from its Mustang Mach-E during the supply chain polycrises from 2021 through 2023. Some of them were removed before customers were made aware of those removals and others were removed from the advertisements and features lists.
Scout is very likely to prioritize building new vehicles over retaining spare parts. But it will have to balance that with wanting to maintain a good reputation for repairs.
Same here. I will absolutely be off pavement as soon as possible after delivery. It’s just my nature and I can’t help it. It doesn’t hurt that I have trails and off road opportunities all over in my area. Our family is out on them most weekends. It’s how we decompress - it’s a pretty big part of our lives. I don’t fault anyone for having a capable vehicle and not getting it out on the dirt/sand/rocks/in the woods though. Everyone’s circumstances and preferences are different.
This is an excellent question. I am also interested to hear the answer.
I hope Scout is going to really beat on its test mules once they have pre-production capabilities. They really want to know which parts they need to have pre-order for repairs and which don’t need to be replaced very often. Do they need to have a bunch of CV boots/joints/shafts in stock? Do they need to have a million extra switches ordered? Will they have to have multiple sources of glass? Will their seat fabrics tear in the heat/cold? Or will they bleed their dyes into peoples’ clothing on sweaty days?
Nobody knows, but they’ll want to know as much as possible as soon as possible.
I volunteer to be a desert southwest tester. I break things fairly regularly.
Nobody knows, but they’ll want to know as much as possible as soon as possible.
I volunteer to be a desert southwest tester. I break things fairly regularly.
I just got back from a week in Brazil and was amazed at the number of BYDs on the road along with other Chinese brands. I've been reading about how the LATAM market is slowly being taken over by the Chinese and yup, it's happening. No conspiracy either, just quality looking cars with a surprising amount of features at very competitive prices. They've also localized production as well.Tesla down 40% while the EV market is up 40%
Tesla's freefall in Europe continues as BYD overtakes it at stunning pace
Tesla’s sales freefall in Europe continues. The American automaker’s sales declined by 40% in July, while BYD’s increased by 225%....
Put my name in that hat too. I would absolutely love to test and report back.
Dang, I had no idea BYD had branched out like that.
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Tesla's freefall in Europe continues as BYD overtakes it at stunning pace
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I have was asking about spare CV shafts a few months ago.Well that seems fair
Really hope @Jamie@ScoutMotors can sneak some into my frunk when I take delivery.
I think the answer is that (as an OEM) you need to have spare parts straight out of the gate to avoid a glut of repair jobs and unnecessary expenses due to loaner vehicle availability and rental car costs.
Rivian was extraordinarily challenged out of the gate given the timing of their debut with the pandemic, but did a good job while spinning up an entirely new business and launching their first ever vehicles. When I brought my truck in for service the first time, Rivian discovered a leak in one of the front drive units - this was in 2022 during my first year of ownership. This required 7 different components (and a total of 36 individual parts to complete the job). My truck was dropped off and picked up in one week for this job. Parts were ordered, because labor was about 1 day for this job.
BTW, I did not know all of this off the top of my head, but I just went into the app, clicked the service icon (a wrench) and it shows your entire service history for the vehicle with a full invoice. Of course this was all done under warranty and I was given an Enterprise loaner vehicle for a week.
*** Early Adopters. *** Whether you like it or not, we all do some degree of real-world testing for any OEM with early vehicles. For Rivian, Scout, or whatever comes next, you should expect that you could experience a couple of kinks that will likely NOT be kinks as more and more vehicles roll off the assembly line. If you are going to be easily aggravated by having to go to a service center (or wait for a remote service appointment, or get a loaner), you may want to wait a bit before taking delivery on a first model year anything. I will say this, I think if I had to drive for 4 or 5 hours to get to a service center, I might not have pulled the trigger on the R1T. This is a personal consideration for everyone. Some people have a higher threshold while others have a lower threshold and wil do anything to be early.
EXAMPLE of a "kink": Some of the tape used on the secondary door seals did not adhere well to the paint inside the door of my truck and needed to be replaced. I think this was a known issue for early trucks and Rivian wound-up making adjustments to the tape used behind the seals to help alleviate that (once it became a known issue, if I remember correctly). Some people are OK with just fixing something like that on their own, others want to get it done professionally under warranty. Having some degree of understanding and tolerance for little things can be helpful for sure, BUT Scout (with VW) and hopefully no Pandemic should be in an excellent position for parts straight out of the gate. Service locations will be interesting to most prospective buyers, so transparency on planning and execution for Scout SC's will be key to converting orders.
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