Do You Want Your Scout To Have A Hands-Free Driving System?

[eddiet1212]

Do You Want Your Scout To Have A Hands-Free Driving System?

I do NOT want my Scout to drive itself.

Part of owning a hands-on vehicle would be the satisfaction of tactile power over your destiny while enjoying the ride.

If I wanted a robo-car then I could buy a future Rivian.

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Rivian to launch hands-free driving system in 2025, 'eyes-off' in 2026

Rivian to launch hands-free driving system in 2025, 'eyes-off' in 2026, CEO says

(Reuters) -Electric-vehicle maker Rivian plans to launch its advanced hands-free driver assistance systems in 2025 and its "eyes-off" systems in 2026, CEO RJ Scaringe said on Thursday. An advanced driver assistance system that enables drivers to take their hands off the wheel and eyes off the...

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[THil08]

This may be a feature rather than a bug. It isn't unexpected for them to create geometries that make it less likely for you to put your hand/arm between the airbag and your face. They are still trying to break people that learned to drive before airbags were common of doing the ol' 10 and 2 thing rather than the much safer 8 and 4 hand positions.

8 and 4? We were thought 9 and 3. I’m more of a 8 and 2. 8 o’clock brace's for straights. And 2 o’clock does the guiding. Turning is a 2 hand shuffle, none of that hand over hand and crossing the air bag shiz when doing hand over hand. That you do if you want yours arms to get blown off. Sharp turns are for palm steering everyone knows that.

 

[Mousehunter]

Posted earlier. The Scout can not afford to be a decade behind in tech. Not expecting level 4 self driving, hell not even full level 3. But it needs to be 2+ or it will be obsolete before even being sold.

 

[cyure]

Posted earlier. The Scout can not afford to be a decade behind in tech. Not expecting level 4 self driving, hell not even full level 3. But it needs to be 2+ or it will be obsolete before even being sold.

Jamie has stated on this forum that they will be level 2+.

https://community.scoutmotors.com/goto/post?id=62952

 

[R1TVT]

If Scout doesn't enable a minimum of L2+ (which they have stated from the beginning that they will) they will miss out on tremendous marketshare and relinquish competitive advantage. This is now table stakes for any new entrant at this price point.

Again, you can have all the experience you want in your Scout driving anywhere with L2+ turned off, but there are many benefits that come with enabling features like this for the brand, and for drivers.

 

[Fistswityatoes]

As a Tesla owner, no. Feels like we can all acknowledge how impressive the 'self driving' function is, but when it comes to road safety and tangible life skills - we should all drive our own vehicles.

 

[LonnyMacD]

Not really, BUT having the option would be nice. I rent it for long road trips and it’s a game changer.

 

[R1TVT]

As a Tesla owner, no. Feels like we can all acknowledge how impressive the 'self driving' function is, but when it comes to road safety and tangible life skills - we should all drive our own vehicles.

FSD and LII+ are two entirely different beasts. I would argue that LII+ is safer than many drivers I see reading texts and eating burritos.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

FSD and LII+ are two entirely different beasts. I would argue that LII+ is safer than many drivers I see reading texts and eating burritos.

Hard to disagree with this one. As a school bus driver i see it with many commercial drivers as well. An 18-wheeler with a texting driver (I’ve seen it when driving our 35’ Temsa coach) really ticks me off.

 

[bakdraft8231]

with all the new trucks coming with hands free driving when possible,I would think Scout needs to be at the level 3 at least, especially if this is nearing the 100k mark.....

 

[cyure]

with all the new trucks coming with hands free driving when possible,I would think Scout needs to be at the level 3 at least, especially if this is nearing the 100k mark.....

That most recent interview with Scott Keogh, the CEO, he made a point to say level II+. His wording was to the effect that Scouts are cars you want to drive.

What features would level 3 add that II+ doesn’t have?

 

[mastertroll]

That most recent interview with Scott Keogh, the CEO, he made a point to say level II+. His wording was to the effect that Scouts are cars you want to drive.

What features would level 3 add that II+ doesn’t have?

Driving

 

[strider]

That most recent interview with Scott Keogh, the CEO, he made a point to say level II+. His wording was to the effect that Scouts are cars you want to drive.

What features would level 3 add that II+ doesn’t have?

There is only ONE Level 3 system available today in the US. Mercedes Drive Pilot comes on a couple of their big sedans but it's only Level 3 on certain roads in California and Nevada and only below 40mph (it's meant for traffic). BMW has one for the 7 series but only in Germany.

Functionally and capability-wise, there is no difference between Level 2 and Level 3. The big thing with Level 3 is that when it is engaged the driver is not responsible for what happens. You can be hands and eyes off. This assumption of legal liability is what is keeping everyone at Level 2 ("plus" is not actually a thing).

 

[cyure]

There is only ONE Level 3 system available today in the US. Mercedes Drive Pilot comes on a couple of their big sedans but it's only Level 3 on certain roads in California and Nevada and only below 40mph (it's meant for traffic). BMW has one for the 7 series but only in Germany.

Functionally and capability-wise, there is no difference between Level 2 and Level 3. The big thing with Level 3 is that when it is engaged the driver is not responsible for what happens. You can be hands and eyes off. This assumption of legal liability is what is keeping everyone at Level 2 ("plus" is not actually a thing).

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[J Alynn]

Driving

Scout is focused on a driving machine, a connection machine. They want drivers to drive and engage with the vehicle

 

[THil08]

Nope i need a vehicle with a wheel. I’ve seen a few things that say cars by 2030 wont have steering wheels. Im a driver at heart if the wheel goes away im out

 

[maynard]

Scout is focused on a driving machine, a connection machine. They want drivers to drive and engage with the vehicle

This is exactly what I want!

 

[strider]

Nope i need a vehicle with a wheel. I’ve seen a few things that say cars by 2030 wont have steering wheels. Im a driver at heart if the wheel goes away im out

This is my challenge with Tesla. I like to drive my car. It's really fun to drive. Why have this much power and quick response and let the computer drive the car? That being said, I like a cruise control. We almost never have traffic here so I just want an old school, hold whatever speed I set, cruise control. But Tesla cruise control uses their autopilot software (not the paid for FSD software) which has not been updated in many years. It regularly changes the set speed (based on, I think the speed limit changing, even thought it hasn't changed, but Google maps or something thinks it changed) and it also slows down for curves which annoys me. So here's to a dumb cruise control!

 

[mastertroll]

I enjoyed driving on the streets and back roads at a slow speed with FSD. That being said I never paid for FSD again lol.

 

[Scout_Lookout]

I had FSD for 3 years v11-v13 and while it was good I found myself being bored in my car during my commute. Now if we were able to watch something on the screen like when flying it probably would've been a different experience but thats not allowed yet. I eventually got to the point where I would turn it on for the highway portion of the commute and drive the surface streets.

I think my Rivian with Autonomy + has the perfect balance. On the highway it's a really good ACC but on the surface streets it can lane keep as well. This is all I want, but as long as my Scout has just as good of an ACC I'll be more than happy.

 

[Broverlander]

I had FSD for 3 years v11-v13 and while it was good I found myself being bored in my car during my commute. Now if we were able to watch something on the screen like when flying it probably would've been a different experience but thats not allowed yet. I eventually got to the point where I would turn it on for the highway portion of the commute and drive the surface streets.

I think my Rivian with Autonomy + has the perfect balance. On the highway it's a really good ACC but on the surface streets it can lane keep as well. This is all I want, but as long as my Scout has just as good of an ACC I'll be more than happy.

I'm with many that I also like to drive but I do want autonomous driving, as much of my commute to and from work is highways and long trips to the inlaws on interstates and state highways can get tedious. I want it mainly for interstates and highways. Level II+ is hands off on interstates and highways. That's what I need and want. The problem is though that Level II+ only works on your typical highways and interstates with normal exits. If you're on a state or county highway that has a light somewhere or some crossing or something, it doesn't work. That's annoying for me because that's much of what many of us drive. I have to keep my eyes on the road anyway. Let it drive and let me worry about lights and crossings. This is basically what Rivian's Autonomy+ is but I didn't like it when I had it so I didn't subscribe. I always felt like it drove like a 15 year old with their driving permit, only reacting rather than anticipating. No offense to the 15 year olds on this forum.