Do You Want Your Scout To Have A Hands-Free Driving System?

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Do You Want Your Scout To Have A Hands-Free Driving System?

I do NOT want my Scout to drive itself.

Part of owning a hands-on vehicle would be the satisfaction of tactile power over your destiny while enjoying the ride.

If I wanted a robo-car then I could buy a future Rivian.

Reuters
Rivian to launch hands-free driving system in 2025, 'eyes-off' in 2026

 
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There is a very BIG difference between driver assistance systems and FSD or Autopilot... Driver assistance is basically table stakes for all new entrants and pre-existing OEM's. There is no mandate to use it if your vehicle has it. Scout is very smart in offering a Driver Assistance feature - all the tech is being built into the truck for safety anyway (and this will increase Scout's sales numbers dramatically).

I love driving my truck, but when I am roadtripping for endless hours in a straight line down I-95, it is very relaxing to be able to let the truck take some of the burden. It required a shift in mindset for me, but when I realized I really wasn't doing anything other than going in a straight line anyway, it allowed me to arrive feeling more relaxed and refreshed after hundreds of miles, I'm not sure I would ever want a truck without it now.

Keep in mind, you NEED to still be alert with these systems and keep a hand on the wheel!
Very true and I appreciate you sharing your experience.

What level drive assist do the first gen Rivians have? Is it hands off?

I dont expect to take a nap, but adaptive cruise and lane keep assist will be nice to just stretch and move around a little bit. It may make my dream of stuffing my face with a Chipotle burrito and driving a reality.
 
Very true and I appreciate you sharing your experience.

What level drive assist do the first gen Rivians have? Is it hands off?

I dont expect to take a nap, but adaptive cruise and lane keep assist will be nice to just stretch and move around a little bit. It may make my dream of stuffing my face with a Chipotle burrito and driving a reality.
I can’t find the post but I swear @Jamie@ScoutMotors posted about this and what level of driver assistance there would be. Can anyone find it?
 
Level II+ is the currently planned option.
So Partial Driving Automation. That combines adaptive cruise control with stop-and-go capability, leading vehicle distance maintenance technology, a lane-centering assistance system, GPS data, and route information from the navigation system to reduce driver stress and fatigue.”? What's the + bit?
 
Are you able to say whether the Scouts will include more than sonar and cameras? Specifically, will they have radar and lidar?
In one of the videos I shared recently a community UX designer said it was all camera based when he was discussing the different screens including the driver assistance one.

That could change between now and launch.
 
In one of the videos I shared recently a community UX designer said it was all camera based when he was discussing the different screens including the driver assistance one.

That could change between now and launch.
That's what I expected. Unfortunate, but the prices are already going to be high. Safety is greatly improved with active sensing like lidar and radar.
 
In one of the videos I shared recently a community UX designer said it was all camera based when he was discussing the different screens including the driver assistance one.

That could change between now and launch.
Yes. I was a little surprised when he said "all camera based". However, I did add that to my Scout design list. We shall see if things change.
 
Very true and I appreciate you sharing your experience.

What level drive assist do the first gen Rivians have? Is it hands off?
That depends on the vehicle and the SW, but this is a good overview that talks about current and new platform for 2nd gen vehicles... Looks like the new / smaller R2 will be launching with hands-free and more autonomy, but the focus is to be "trusted" not to be first when it comes to certain features:
 
That's what I expected. Unfortunate, but the prices are already going to be high. Safety is greatly improved with active sensing like lidar and radar.
Rivian is supposedly including LIDAR on all of their R2s.


Some recent videos and photos show a pocket on the roof above the windshield.


People are speculating that VW is giving Rivian access to their buying power to get the LIDAR units for a better price.

EDIT: You beat me to it R1TVT!

Maybe this could make LIDAR more feasible for Scout down the road?
 
Level II+ is the currently planned option.
Burrito stuffing confirmed 🫡

Thank you sir!

I looked up what Level 2 + Driver Assistance is according to NVIDIA (I think Rivian is using their system so Scout might too)



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The Society of Automotive Engineers has designated six categories of autonomous driving, ranging from Level 0 to Level 5. However, the ongoing development of self-driving cars has produced advanced technologies that can improve vehicle safety now, adding new distinctions to automated and autonomous driving features.

Level 2 automated driving is defined as systems that provide steering and brake/acceleration support, as well as lane centering and adaptive cruise control. Even if these technologies are activated, the human at the wheel must be driving and constantly supervising the automated features.

Though these systems have helped prevent and mitigate traffic accidents, they are still far from perfect.

What Is Level 2+ Automated Driving?

Level 2+ adds in surround perception and AI to improve the safety and convenience of human-driven vehicles. While the driver is still responsible for the car, the platform can perform automated maneuvers for a more seamless driving experience — such as making highway entrances and exits, lane changes and merges.

Level 2+ also includes intelligent cockpit services, such as driver monitoring, AI copilot technology using voice and gesture recognition, and advanced in-cabin visualization of the vehicle’s perception.

Breakthroughs like the NVIDIA Xavier system-on-a-chip (SoC) make these Level 2+ capabilities possible, fitting high-performance, energy-efficient compute into a compact package to power AI inside production vehicles.

Not Level 2, Not Yet Level 3

Automakers have already introduced Level 2 vehicles that rely on forward-facing sensors to provide advanced driver assistance systems.

The next step up, Level 3, begins to remove the human from the driving equation. These systems can fully drive the vehicle under limited and defined conditions, such as highway traffic, and the human is not actively driving while they are in use. However, the driver must be ready to take back control from the system whenever it’s requested.

Level 2+ systems don’t quite reach these capabilities. While they use AI to improve upon Level 2 ADAS, they still require consistent driver control. Rather, it uses AI to improve upon current Level 2 advanced driver assistance technology, requiring a new type of classification.


Coming to Roads Near You

For a vehicle to become Level 2+, it needs surround sensors for 360-degree perception, as well as deep neural networks running in parallel for robust object detection. In short, these systems require much more compute than currently exists in cars today.

That’s why NVIDIA developed DRIVE AutoPilot — to bring this crucial safety technology to public roads sooner. The platform combines the high-performance, energy-efficient compute of DRIVE Xavier with the extensive DRIVE Software suite to enable these functions in production vehicles.

And it’s catching on. Leading Tier-1 supplier Continental is already leveraging the Level 2+ DRIVE platform to develop AI systems for upcoming vehicles. The system will run on a scalable, affordable architecture based on Continental’s portfolio of sensor and Automated Driving Control Unit technology, powered by DRIVE AutoPilot.

Global supplier ZF’s Level 2+ scalable ProAI supercomputer will also be based on DRIVE AutoPilot. The open, flexible, modular and scalable ZF ProAI product family allows for just the right configuration of any self-driving application — for a variety of industries and across virtually all levels of automated driving. The system will begin production next year, the company said at CES in January.

It’s not only suppliers. Late last year, Volvo Cars announced that it would base its upcoming Level 2+ vehicles, which are set for production in the early 2020s, on NVIDIA DRIVE. The companies are working together to develop automated driving capabilities, integrating 360-degree surround perception and a driver monitoring system. The NVIDIA-based computing platform will enable Volvo to implement new connectivity services, energy management technology, in-car personalization options, and autonomous drive technology.

While developers continue to work to bring the robocars of the future to public roads, Level 2+ delivers the safety and efficiency this technology promises, today.


 
Burrito stuffing confirmed 🫡

Thank you sir!

I looked up what Level 2 + Driver Assistance is according to NVIDIA (I think Rivian is using their system so Scout might too)



Screen-Shot-2019-01-07-at-12.23.40-PM-1280x710.png



The Society of Automotive Engineers has designated six categories of autonomous driving, ranging from Level 0 to Level 5. However, the ongoing development of self-driving cars has produced advanced technologies that can improve vehicle safety now, adding new distinctions to automated and autonomous driving features.

Level 2 automated driving is defined as systems that provide steering and brake/acceleration support, as well as lane centering and adaptive cruise control. Even if these technologies are activated, the human at the wheel must be driving and constantly supervising the automated features.

Though these systems have helped prevent and mitigate traffic accidents, they are still far from perfect.

What Is Level 2+ Automated Driving?

Level 2+ adds in surround perception and AI to improve the safety and convenience of human-driven vehicles. While the driver is still responsible for the car, the platform can perform automated maneuvers for a more seamless driving experience — such as making highway entrances and exits, lane changes and merges.

Level 2+ also includes intelligent cockpit services, such as driver monitoring, AI copilot technology using voice and gesture recognition, and advanced in-cabin visualization of the vehicle’s perception.

Breakthroughs like the NVIDIA Xavier system-on-a-chip (SoC) make these Level 2+ capabilities possible, fitting high-performance, energy-efficient compute into a compact package to power AI inside production vehicles.

Not Level 2, Not Yet Level 3

Automakers have already introduced Level 2 vehicles that rely on forward-facing sensors to provide advanced driver assistance systems.

The next step up, Level 3, begins to remove the human from the driving equation. These systems can fully drive the vehicle under limited and defined conditions, such as highway traffic, and the human is not actively driving while they are in use. However, the driver must be ready to take back control from the system whenever it’s requested.

Level 2+ systems don’t quite reach these capabilities. While they use AI to improve upon Level 2 ADAS, they still require consistent driver control. Rather, it uses AI to improve upon current Level 2 advanced driver assistance technology, requiring a new type of classification.


Coming to Roads Near You

For a vehicle to become Level 2+, it needs surround sensors for 360-degree perception, as well as deep neural networks running in parallel for robust object detection. In short, these systems require much more compute than currently exists in cars today.

That’s why NVIDIA developed DRIVE AutoPilot — to bring this crucial safety technology to public roads sooner. The platform combines the high-performance, energy-efficient compute of DRIVE Xavier with the extensive DRIVE Software suite to enable these functions in production vehicles.

And it’s catching on. Leading Tier-1 supplier Continental is already leveraging the Level 2+ DRIVE platform to develop AI systems for upcoming vehicles. The system will run on a scalable, affordable architecture based on Continental’s portfolio of sensor and Automated Driving Control Unit technology, powered by DRIVE AutoPilot.

Global supplier ZF’s Level 2+ scalable ProAI supercomputer will also be based on DRIVE AutoPilot. The open, flexible, modular and scalable ZF ProAI product family allows for just the right configuration of any self-driving application — for a variety of industries and across virtually all levels of automated driving. The system will begin production next year, the company said at CES in January.

It’s not only suppliers. Late last year, Volvo Cars announced that it would base its upcoming Level 2+ vehicles, which are set for production in the early 2020s, on NVIDIA DRIVE. The companies are working together to develop automated driving capabilities, integrating 360-degree surround perception and a driver monitoring system. The NVIDIA-based computing platform will enable Volvo to implement new connectivity services, energy management technology, in-car personalization options, and autonomous drive technology.

While developers continue to work to bring the robocars of the future to public roads, Level 2+ delivers the safety and efficiency this technology promises, today.


And we have come full circle back to post #9 on this thread~! ;-)
 
In 2019, when I worked for Hyundai, you could buy a $21,000 Sonata with adaptive cruise and lane centering.

Having played with SuperCruise which is arguably the best driver assist suite out there (on mapped roads*) all I really want is adaptive cruise with stop and go, and lane centering.

Super cruise was awesome but I’m not sure I care enough to shell out for it. But the other two make all the difference on long road trips.

Edit to add: 2+ is awesome and is the future, and I’m glad Scout is planning on it. My wife’s next vehicle will have it, I just don’t care enough to spend the extra, and hope the two options above are standard (Hyundai had adaptive cruise and lane keeping standard on EVERYTHING, and if you can get a $17k Elantra with it, everything should come with it).