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I see the R1T and the Terra being very different trucks. The sport & performance aspects of the Rivian, coupled with a lowered stance (and basically a Maclaren air suspension system) + 4 motors make it possible to perform ridiculous feats. The Scout Terra will be bigger, likely burlier and less performance-oriented, but more functionally capable with a thicker skin. I wouldn't compare the two of them that closely based on what we know so far. I'm here for the bigger bed, a roll-down rear window and the more utilitarian parts. If I am being honest, I don't see the Scout Terra beating the Rivian R1T in any races ever, which is perfectly OK by me.
Totally agree. Utility is what’s going to define the Scouts. Ford nailed it with onboard power in the Lightning: you can run a job site or backfeed your house, and it still 0–60 in 3.8 seconds. Rivian got a lot right, but they missed that piece.
Practical - optimum way to launch a vehicle from a stop to get the best 0-60 or 1/4 Mile run
For me - a fun way to giggle while launching a half ton pickup truck from 0-60 in under four seconds.
This may be one of the better reviews of the TRX. If you go to 9:30 in the review you’ll see Launch Control being used. I’m not saying it’s practical, but it’s a strong argument for fun!
Rivian decided to make a "truck" that screams I am an EV. Chevy and Ford followed suit - maybe not screaming as loudly, but they could not remain silent either. Newest Lightning is making headway - but is not the Ford that people want (nobody buys a Ford 2x4 because they actually want it - they buy it because it is cheaper. The new design lightning looks like a neutered Ford. Perhaps better than an EV Ford, but not much).
Sadly, we are motivated by design. Scout has it right. Everyone else is still in EV echo chambers, only hearing what they want to hear. The best EV design is one that you don't know it is an EV till it outperforms you in virtually every matrix.
Sadly, we are motivated by design. Scout has it right. Everyone else is still in EV echo chambers, only hearing what they want to hear. The best EV design is one that you don't know it is an EV till it outperforms you in virtually every matrix.
I mostly agree. Though the race aspect will depend on what you're comparing. The standard dual motor R1T takes approximately 4.5 s 0-60. That's similar to what the Terra will realistically see, and it'll supposedly be a similar price point and similar power train.
Yeah, I guess the other thing I see is agility, handling, nimbleness, quickness into and out of turns, etc. I can't ever see a full sized pickup with a solid rear axle performing like the R1T performs - especially up something like Pike's peak. Rivian does have an advantage with the different trim levels and motor options. I see the proportions making a difference
I think Rivian was "unapologetic" about the truck being an EV, but went about the whole project from the ground up, based upon a clean sheet of paper with the skateboard platform. Maybe a truck that screams EV was an off-shoot, but I don't believe that was really their aim (as an intention).
Totally agree about agility. The lightning is not agile, even with IRS. The Terra will likely be less so.
I mean, why would Rivian be apologetic about building EVs. There's nothing to apologize for.
A year or two ago when I took my wife's MB in for service, the dealer gave me an EQS580 4Matic SUV as a loaner for several days. It is a large 6,327lb all wheel drive electric SUV making 536hp and 633tq with a 4.5 second 0-60 time. And let me tell you, I absolutely abused that thing. It was so heavy with, in my opinion, crazy body roll. When I would floor it from a stop, the rear end would squat, the front end felt like it was going to come off the ground, and heaving it around corners was a wild experience. Traction was excellent but man did it FEEL unsettling.
That 633tq and 4.5 second 0-60 absolutely pinned me in my seat. It was thrilling, but at the same time, in a big, tall SUV with a similar curb weight to Scout's projections, it just felt...wild and hard to control.
So, for me, a 4.5 second 0-60 is plenty quick. And if the Scout handles anything like the EQS580, slinging it around with those crazy torque numbers is going to feel just as unsettling. Kid me can't believe adult me is typing this...but I don't need a 3.5 second 0-60. I mean, I WANT it, but I don't need it, and I think controlling it would be a real chore.
That 633tq and 4.5 second 0-60 absolutely pinned me in my seat. It was thrilling, but at the same time, in a big, tall SUV with a similar curb weight to Scout's projections, it just felt...wild and hard to control.
So, for me, a 4.5 second 0-60 is plenty quick. And if the Scout handles anything like the EQS580, slinging it around with those crazy torque numbers is going to feel just as unsettling. Kid me can't believe adult me is typing this...but I don't need a 3.5 second 0-60. I mean, I WANT it, but I don't need it, and I think controlling it would be a real chore.
With regard to body roll, no doubt that is a thing in fast, big, heavy vehicles... I just posted this video on another thread. This is why Rivian hired Charles Saunderson from McLaren, who is now back at McLaren as CTO:
His videos are always very good. Thanks for posting this one.
Just for fun. This is what the Scout BEV is going to be able to do.
I always think it’s funny when they do these and they have an EV smoke an ICE vehicle that in the past we thought was really really fast.
But EV’s don’t burn gas or diesel to be precise
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