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I'm sure others are keenly attentive to whats happening in the world from a global macroeconomic and humanitarian perspective. Coincidentally, we are also 3 days away from the Rivian R2 Launch (https://rivian.com/r2) with PRODUCTION pricing. I was thinking about the reservation conversion % increasing significantly with recent news, but it probably also has the inverse effect on buyers with less disposable income, or those who might have more time on the clock with their current vehicle (and might also feel the pinch more from all the pricing pressures across the board).

On the one hand, those that really need a new SUV and have the money are probably thrilled to get into an EV SUV ASAP. On the other hand, those that were borderline on following through might hesitate or not convert. Rivian may also see a whole new tranche of buyers come crashing through the doors - gas $$ prices likely aren't going down any time soon with summer approaching.

The pricing watch is on - At the end of the day, and since the R2 was really designed for the masses, all eyes are going to be on the reveal price, and what value is being delivered at the entry price point. I have a feeling we'll easily see all early build slots full. I don't have a reservation, or a dog in the hunt (other than wanting to see the R2 do well). If R2 does well, it only helps Scout in my mind.
 
I’m really curious to see how many trims they offer, price at launch, etc.
Hopefully they keep it really simple. Complexity just adds time and cost, and this is not meant to be a "premium" model, so they are probably best served with fewer trims and more accessories and add ons that can be a la carte.
 
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Here's my feeling on the R2..
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..which I made immediately after seeing it in person at the San Jose roadshow. It really hits all the right notes and I have no doubt they'll deliver on their promises, but as I've said with Scout, the challenge here is our needs have changed in the years since. It might work or we might want something with more room. Either way, excited to finally see this happening.
 
I'm sure others are keenly attentive to whats happening in the world from a global macroeconomic and humanitarian perspective. Coincidentally, we are also 3 days away from the Rivian R2 Launch (https://rivian.com/r2) with PRODUCTION pricing. I was thinking about the reservation conversion % increasing significantly with recent news, but it probably also has the inverse effect on buyers with less disposable income, or those who might have more time on the clock with their current vehicle (and might also feel the pinch more from all the pricing pressures across the board).

On the one hand, those that really need a new SUV and have the money are probably thrilled to get into an EV SUV ASAP. On the other hand, those that were borderline on following through might hesitate or not convert. Rivian may also see a whole new tranche of buyers come crashing through the doors - gas $$ prices likely aren't going down any time soon with summer approaching.

The pricing watch is on - At the end of the day, and since the R2 was really designed for the masses, all eyes are going to be on the reveal price, and what value is being delivered at the entry price point. I have a feeling we'll easily see all early build slots full. I don't have a reservation, or a dog in the hunt (other than wanting to see the R2 do well). If R2 does well, it only helps Scout in my mind.
Good thinking on this perspective. Will be Interesting
 
A day away and things are already starting to leak out. Compiling posts from other people, info gained from either taking a peek at the R2 launch thing in Austin or an ArsTechnica article that leaked early..

R2 Launch Edition
$57,990 excluding $1,495 delivery
87.9 kWh battery
330-mile range
29 mins (10 to 80 percent)
656 hp / 609 lb-ft
Matrix LED headlights
21-inch wheels
Heated/ventilated front seats, heated rear
185.9 inches long, 78.1 inches wide, 66.9 inches tall, 115.6-inch wheelbase
9.6 inches ground clearance
4,400 pounds towing

R2 Premium (late 2026)
$53,990
330-mile range
450 hp / 537 lb-ft
no semi-active suspension
20 inch wheels

R2 Single motor (next year)
$48,490
345 miles
350 hp / 355 lb-ft
19 inch wheels

R2 Standard (late 2027)
$45,000
265 miles

The full article:

Between a certain car company's antics and the industrial chaos set off by COVID (and then compounded by Russia's invasion of Ukraine), it's easy to be cynical about production timelines. Yet when Rivian showed off a midsize electric vehicle in 2024 and said it would be available in the first half of this year, it meant it. Deliveries of the first R2 SUVs will begin this spring.

As a new automaker, Rivian often does things its own way, but with the R2 launch, it's following industry practice and starting with the superlative version first. That's the R2 Performance, which starts at $57,990 with the launch package (excluding a $1,495 delivery charge). You get quite a lot of electric SUV for that, however: up to 330 miles (531 km) from a single charge of the 87.9 kWh battery pack, with 656 hp (489 kW) and 609 lb-ft (825 Nm) from the dual motor powertrain. Fast charging takes 29 minutes from 10 to 80 percent.

AWD first
The Performance features semi-active suspension, a rear window that drops into the tailgate, an interior with birch accents, heating for the front and rear seats and ventilation for the former, a nine-speaker sound system, matrix LED headlights, and some other neat touches like the flashlight that lives in the side of the door, similar to how some cars hide an umbrella there.

You can add Autonomy+ (the automaker's partially automated driver assist), the tow package (4,400 lbs/1,995 kg), and some other colors as optional extras to the Performance trim (they're silver by default). The launch package includes a lifetime subscription to Autonomy+, the tow package, and another optional body color.

The R2 Premium will go on sale in late 2o26 for $53,990. It has the same 330-mile range and 87.9 kWh battery pack, but it generates just 450 hp (355 kW) and 537 lb-ft (728 Nm) from its dual-motor powertrain. The R2 Premium does without the semi-active suspension, arrives on 20-inch instead of 21-inch wheels, and features fewer drive modes, doing without rally, soft sand, and launch modes. Otherwise, it shares its specs with the faster, more expensive R2 Performance.

RWD in 2027
The single-motor R2s arrive next year, with the $48,490 R2 Standard that uses the same 87.9 kWh battery pack as the AWD R2s. Without a motor for the front axle, the RWD R2 goes a little further: 345 miles (555 km) on a single charge. The motor sends 350 hp ( kW) and 355 lb-ft to the rear axle. Standard R2s come with an all-black interior and only heat the front seats. The sound system has five speakers instead of nine, there's no all-terrain drive mode, it rides on 19-inch wheels, and the glass in the rear window doesn't drop down, so you'll want a roof rack for your surfboard.

In late 2027, an R2 Standard with a smaller battery enabling around 265 miles (426 km) will be available for $45,000. For now, we don't know much about that one other than its price.

The R2 SUV is attractive, sharing a lot of its looks with the larger three-row R1S, both inside and out. And it's a rather clever one, too; Volkswagen Group invested $5 billion in Rivian specifically to gain access to its software-defined vehicle technology and expertise.

An AI assistant will come to Rivian's in-house infotainment system in a future update, running locally via edge computing. (The company actually said the "R2 is outfitted with 200 sparse TOPS of edge AI compute dedicated to the in-cabin experience," but I don't like "compute" as a noun.) That processing power will also enable Rivian's Autonomy+. And since this is now Rivian's fourth product, we can be confident in its ability to deliver its regularly praised cadence of software updates.


Color List:

Half Moon Grey
Glacier White
Borealis
Launch Green
Midnight
Forest Green
Esker Silver
Catalina Cove




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A day away and things are already starting to leak out. Compiling posts from other people, info gained from either taking a peek at the R2 launch thing in Austin or an ArsTechnica article that leaked early..

R2 Launch Edition
$57,990 excluding $1,495 delivery
87.9 kWh battery
330-mile range
29 mins (10 to 80 percent)
656 hp / 609 lb-ft
Matrix LED headlights
21-inch wheels
Heated/ventilated front seats, heated rear
185.9 inches long, 78.1 inches wide, 66.9 inches tall, 115.6-inch wheelbase
9.6 inches ground clearance
4,400 pounds towing

R2 Premium (late 2026)
$53,990
330-mile range
450 hp / 537 lb-ft
no semi-active suspension
20 inch wheels

R2 Single motor (next year)
$48,490
345 miles
350 hp / 355 lb-ft
19 inch wheels

R2 Standard (late 2027)
$45,000
265 miles

The full article:

Between a certain car company's antics and the industrial chaos set off by COVID (and then compounded by Russia's invasion of Ukraine), it's easy to be cynical about production timelines. Yet when Rivian showed off a midsize electric vehicle in 2024 and said it would be available in the first half of this year, it meant it. Deliveries of the first R2 SUVs will begin this spring.

As a new automaker, Rivian often does things its own way, but with the R2 launch, it's following industry practice and starting with the superlative version first. That's the R2 Performance, which starts at $57,990 with the launch package (excluding a $1,495 delivery charge). You get quite a lot of electric SUV for that, however: up to 330 miles (531 km) from a single charge of the 87.9 kWh battery pack, with 656 hp (489 kW) and 609 lb-ft (825 Nm) from the dual motor powertrain. Fast charging takes 29 minutes from 10 to 80 percent.

AWD first
The Performance features semi-active suspension, a rear window that drops into the tailgate, an interior with birch accents, heating for the front and rear seats and ventilation for the former, a nine-speaker sound system, matrix LED headlights, and some other neat touches like the flashlight that lives in the side of the door, similar to how some cars hide an umbrella there.

You can add Autonomy+ (the automaker's partially automated driver assist), the tow package (4,400 lbs/1,995 kg), and some other colors as optional extras to the Performance trim (they're silver by default). The launch package includes a lifetime subscription to Autonomy+, the tow package, and another optional body color.

The R2 Premium will go on sale in late 2o26 for $53,990. It has the same 330-mile range and 87.9 kWh battery pack, but it generates just 450 hp (355 kW) and 537 lb-ft (728 Nm) from its dual-motor powertrain. The R2 Premium does without the semi-active suspension, arrives on 20-inch instead of 21-inch wheels, and features fewer drive modes, doing without rally, soft sand, and launch modes. Otherwise, it shares its specs with the faster, more expensive R2 Performance.

RWD in 2027
The single-motor R2s arrive next year, with the $48,490 R2 Standard that uses the same 87.9 kWh battery pack as the AWD R2s. Without a motor for the front axle, the RWD R2 goes a little further: 345 miles (555 km) on a single charge. The motor sends 350 hp ( kW) and 355 lb-ft to the rear axle. Standard R2s come with an all-black interior and only heat the front seats. The sound system has five speakers instead of nine, there's no all-terrain drive mode, it rides on 19-inch wheels, and the glass in the rear window doesn't drop down, so you'll want a roof rack for your surfboard.

In late 2027, an R2 Standard with a smaller battery enabling around 265 miles (426 km) will be available for $45,000. For now, we don't know much about that one other than its price.

The R2 SUV is attractive, sharing a lot of its looks with the larger three-row R1S, both inside and out. And it's a rather clever one, too; Volkswagen Group invested $5 billion in Rivian specifically to gain access to its software-defined vehicle technology and expertise.

An AI assistant will come to Rivian's in-house infotainment system in a future update, running locally via edge computing. (The company actually said the "R2 is outfitted with 200 sparse TOPS of edge AI compute dedicated to the in-cabin experience," but I don't like "compute" as a noun.) That processing power will also enable Rivian's Autonomy+. And since this is now Rivian's fourth product, we can be confident in its ability to deliver its regularly praised cadence of software updates.


Color List:

Half Moon Grey
Glacier White
Borealis
Launch Green
Midnight
Forest Green
Esker Silver
Catalina Cove




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Those prices! yikes. I just read an article about that $45,000 price tag was removed from the website. And that it seems closer to $60K
 
Those prices! yikes. I just read an article about that $45,000 price tag was removed from the website. And that it seems closer to $60K
I mean that price is great considering there is no way that they would launch with the base model. The 45k model is still "planned". But I think the single motor model that is just under $50k is really going to be the needle mover.

According to the leaked list the launch edition comes with the tow package and autonomy plus, which is basically $4k in add ons
 
Oh, gosh. That’s very tempting. That’s about the size I had hoped the production Traveler would be. Now how do I find $60k? With the estimated range being just more than the Lightning's, we could do most/all of our off-road adventuring without compromise.

VehicleLength (inches)WheelbaseWidthRoof height
Traveler190.9 (w/o tire carrier)120.479.976.3
R2185.9115.678.166.9
 
The range seems reasonable to me.

The R1 with its Max Pack (~140 KWH) gets an EPA range of 410 miles, which is 2.92 miles/kWh. Edmunds gets a real-world range of ~390 miles in their realistic testing.

The R2 is 2 inches skinnier and almost 10 inches lower height. The motors are smaller. The battery is lighter. The wheelbase and overall length are shorter. The wheels+tires are smaller. I have no trouble with believing they’ll achieve close to the 3.75 miles/kWh with sensible driving behavior.
 
I have 2 scouts pre ordered. But I also have the R2 pre ordered as well. I would probably have gone withe R2 if launch version came with Lidar. For all the things you get at 58k price tag, is pretty reasonable. I would have loved to have more range, but 330 is decent.
 
I wonder what we all will get with our launch edition Scouts. After seeing what R2 is getting.

Im concerned about its pricing, but seeing this, its starting to get into gas car price ranges. Which finally builds competition. Survival of the fittest. I know that Tesla has been in this market but its becoming clear that Tesla is starting to convert to technology only.


Also just saw that there are predictions of about a demand in the us market for about 212,000-335,000 R2 Units.
 
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That’s 3.75 miles/kWh. Will it really be that high?
On paper, that sounds high to me. But it turns out thats right in the range of the Model Y, which is a similar size (188in IIRC?).

Personally, I really like Rivian vehicles. I just hate their approach to buttons, and the user interface.

Also, the relative pricing of the launch edition and the "what was advertised as the price at launch" is about what I expected. This is what has me worried for launch edition Scouts. Not that they won't be good, just that I won't be able to afford one.

But thats a future me problem :).
 
Oh, gosh. That’s very tempting. That’s about the size I had hoped the production Traveler would be. Now how do I find $60k? With the estimated range being just more than the Lightning's, we could do most/all of our off-road adventuring without compromise.

VehicleLength (inches)WheelbaseWidthRoof height
Traveler190.9 (w/o tire carrier)120.479.976.3
R2185.9115.678.166.9
Yeah back when I saw R2 in person it reminded me of the 2014 X3 we had at the time, just with a more spacious interior.
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Ok I looked it up just now and wow, I was bang on..
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So the real question is the people who reserved one are they allowed to order the $45k base version now or are they locked into the Launch edition?
If it goes like the R1 Launch, they can choose whichever they want, and they can keep their place in line (essentially moving up if they wait for the future model to launch).

Not surprised to see a loaded R2 launch at this pricepoint, if it really is the actual price... They will convert all of those initial launch edition reservations no problem, then they will move toward the larger market at the lower tiers and keep selling.

It will be interesting to see how the single motor variant with RWD handles. When I go into Conserve mode (engaging 2 of the 4 motors up-front) and goose it, my R1T gets a little squirrely. Like the tail wagging the dog with all that energy on the nose. But goosing it with all of the available torque will do that. I am rarely using conserve and goosing it though. Conserve (at least for me) is deployed on long, straight HWY runs. I'm just curious to hear how a RWD configured SUV will handle when you give it the beans. I'm sure drive characteristics will be optimized for that configuration, so likely a non-issue.

It is sort of a perfect size, doesn't look like a tesla jelly bean, will still be very capable as an SUV, and is about as aero as you can get for a box on wheels. That box is what gets you all of that big interior feel in a smaller package.
 
If it goes like the R1 Launch, they can choose whichever they want, and they can keep their place in line (essentially moving up if they wait for the future model to launch).

Not surprised to see a loaded R2 launch at this pricepoint, if it really is the actual price... They will convert all of those initial launch edition reservations no problem, then they will move toward the larger market at the lower tiers and keep selling.

It will be interesting to see how the single motor variant with RWD handles. When I go into Conserve mode (engaging 2 of the 4 motors up-front) and goose it, my R1T gets a little squirrely. Like the tail wagging the dog with all that energy on the nose. But goosing it with all of the available torque will do that. I am rarely using conserve and goosing it though. Conserve (at least for me) is deployed on long, straight HWY runs. I'm just curious to hear how a RWD configured SUV will handle when you give it the beans. I'm sure drive characteristics will be optimized for that configuration, so likely a non-issue.

It is sort of a perfect size, doesn't look like a tesla jelly bean, will still be very capable as an SUV, and is about as aero as you can get for a box on wheels. That box is what gets you all of that big interior feel in a smaller package.
That’s a great explanation. I can see why many will go for the launch edition. The only thing I dislike was the whole marketing up until 2 weeks ago saying $45k starting price. It seemed a bit misleading especially now that they are coming in with a Starting price of $60k. I know that yes it still technically can start at $45k but that’s all the way in Late 2027.
 
That’s a great explanation. I can see why many will go for the launch edition. The only thing I dislike was the whole marketing up until 2 weeks ago saying $45k starting price. It seemed a bit misleading especially now that they are coming in with a Starting price of $60k. I know that yes it still technically can start at $45k but that’s all the way in Late 2027.
Can't comment on the exact verbiage that was used, but this was from the press release in '24: CEO RJ Scaringe.: “Our design and engineering teams are extremely focused on driving innovation into not only the product features but also our approach to manufacturing to achieve dramatically lower costs. R2 provides buyers starting in the $45,000 price range with a much-needed choice with a thoroughly developed technology platform that is bursting with personality. I can’t wait to get these to customers.”

So - I can see why buyers might be confused (or the media) since a price range that starts around $45K is different than a "starting price" which is assumes the base model comes first and is cheapest. That was not Rivian's model with the R1's though, so I'm personally not surprised that they want to convert as many early reservation holders as possible into higher priced Launch Editions and have those flood the market first. It just makes good business sense.
 
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