F-150 Lightning BEV to EREV Strategy - Hank Green

[cyure]

That's been my mentality too. We do a 16 hour, 1,000 mile one-way trip every summer. I would break it into 2 days, but we're trying to maximize time with grandparents and other family.

The more I've thought about it though; the more I'm thinking how we tend to stop, is we're taking a good 20 minute break at least on most stops. So I'm thinking BEV can do it. For reference, I've done that trip in 14 hours by myself, but that was one time in my early 20s. Also, my nephew and his wife did it in a Tesla Model 3 in roughly the same amount of time. They had the disadvantage of being 3 hours south of us too.

Same calculation in this house. I keep thinking I need to buy for the 90% of my travel not the 10% and being WFH I don’t need an EREV for my daily travel. I really feel I would be one of those people where my Scout would be telling me you have to use the gas in the tank because it’s been sitting too long.

 

[R1TVT]

I saw this on YouTube the other night and chuckled as the story is brand new and yet Scout announced VW sourced engines months ago. Not sure where that YouTuber’s source came from?

Sounds like someone made a Youtube ad with a conspiracy theory built-in

 

[Gottesacker]

Same calculation in this house. I keep thinking I need to buy for the 90% of my travel not the 10% and being WFH I don’t need an EREV for my daily travel. I really feel I would be one of those people where my Scout would be telling me you have to use the gas in the tank because it’s been sitting too long.

I feel like that would ultimately be my case as well. An engine that's just not getting used as often as it should with parts deteriorating faster than they should because of it.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Sounds like you are leaning towards a 7000 pound Terra Harvester…

I think it will depend on how Scout Motors decides to do their frame and any subframes or substructures. If they go steel like Ford did, yeah, probably around 7.5k - 9k pounds is my guess. If they choose an aluminum alloy, for structural, non-safety parts, then they could save a fair amount of mass. But then they have to deal the misunderstanding of materials engineering by the public. I haven't looked, recently, for any of those details.

 

[maynard]

I think it will depend on how Scout Motors decides to do their frame and any subframes or substructures. If they go steel like Ford did, yeah, probably around 7.5k - 9k pounds is my guess. If they choose an aluminum alloy, for structural, non-safety parts, then they could save a fair amount of mass. But then they have to deal the misunderstanding of materials engineering by the public. I haven't looked, recently, for any of those details.

I would be all for the aluminum body panels like my F150 had (Michigan is a rust-belt state).

 

[speedrye]

I would be all for the aluminum body panels like my F150 had (Michigan is a rust-belt state).

I just had a guy out to the house for some paintless dent repair on a few door dings from parking lots** on the vehicles. Aluminum panel cost twice what the steel panels did. Guy was an artist though!

**Apparently it doesn't matter how far away I park or how protected the vehicle is, people are still A-holes.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Same calculation in this house. I keep thinking I need to buy for the 90% of my travel not the 10% and being WFH I don’t need an EREV for my daily travel. I really feel I would be one of those people where my Scout would be telling me you have to use the gas in the tank because it’s been sitting too long.

I’ve thought about this too. I’m probably one of the few members who would prefer a full one ICE Scout, but that’s obviously not the direction of Scout. I figure if I go forward with the Harvester I’ll charge it to full, top off the tank, and drive until it needs gas again. I’m going to treat it as an economical ICE vehicle. 500 miles would last me a long time!

 

[Jasco]

I’ve thought about this too. I’m probably one of the few members who would prefer a full one ICE Scout, but that’s obviously not the direction of Scout. I figure if I go forward with the Harvester I’ll charge it to full, top off the tank, and drive until it needs gas again. I’m going to treat it as an economical ICE vehicle. 500 miles would last me a long time!

That's certainly a legit way to go, but I'd encourage you not to be afraid to plug it in now and then. Might save you some money. The Harverster seems tailor made for you. Lots of power and range to boot for the vehicle's class. I'm hoping the towing capacity meets your needs so you'll buy one and report back here on your experiences. I appreciate your persepctive though I'm likely to purchase a BEV version.

 

[Mousehunter]

Can not say I agreed with a lot of the video. Some was good points, but who wants to be called a fringe case.

Signaling is a real thing - but so is not signaling. Where I live, an F150 is not signalling - it is simply owning one of the most common and ignoreable vehicles on the road. See an F150, and forget seeing it - instantly. But Ford could not just make an electric F150 - they made sure you could tell it was not an ICE F150. That signaled. And it truck country, it was a signal that few wanted to make. I do agree that dealers did their best to kill it, and physics was not its friend. But for the physics section - it could not really do certain truck stuff. It is one thing to one an EV car and a truck - but asking me to own an ICE truck and an EV truck is simply not reasonable. I tow often - the Lightning could not do those trips. Period, end of story. I am towing livestock - I am not disconnecting a livestock trailer for 45 minutes to charge at a fast charger with a trailer load of livestock cooking in the heat of Texas. Sure, the Lightning could have been my "other" truck - but I don't want an "other" truck. I have a eco sub compact as my other main vehicle.

This thread is arguing smaller battery. Over 1/2 my miles driven are on days when I drive more than 200 miles. I want a guaranteed 250 mile range - so I want a published 350 mile range. Miss that mark, and I don't consider the vehicle. Sure, most people spend most of their mileage on a short commute to work. I am not most people. The last few years I did commute to work, it was 200 miles a day. Why I got a diesel golf and not a Tesla. The published range of the Tesla, less real world range drops - I could not guarantee I could commute to work without charging, and charging daily at a fast charger that did not exist yet was not an option. Now there are several fast charging locations on my old commute route - but still, would I really want to waste 20-30 minutes on a fast charge after a long day of work - that included over 3hrs of commuting. Deal killer.

I think EREV's are a short term solution to a problem. The SUV EV already with 350 miles of range already solves most of that for me. The Truck EV, well it does not replace my current truck. In 10 years however, I expect battery tech will make EREV's look like an expensive short term patch.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

That's certainly a legit way to go, but I'd encourage you not to be afraid to plug it in now and then. Might save you some money. The Harverster seems tailor made for you. Lots of power and range to boot for the vehicle's class. I'm hoping the towing capacity meets your needs so you'll buy one and report back here on your experiences. I appreciate your persepctive though I'm likely to purchase a BEV version.

I’m not concerned about towing. If it’s something like 5,000lbs we will keep the TRX for truck stuff, and I’ll daily my wife’s 2019 Colorado ZR2, and she can have a Traveler. If Scout does something shocking and gives us a better tow rating, I’d consider selling the TRX and getting a Terra for me. Lots of thoughts and options at this point. We’ll make the final choice on Scout once they are released in late 2027. Hell, a full on EV Traveler is still in discussion, though I steal lean Harvester.