Brake pedal behavior: Preference?

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Preferred Brake pedal behavior?

  • No regen, friction brakes (same behavior as non-hybrid combustion vehicles)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Brake pedal controls regen strength and friction brakes

    Votes: 28 32.6%
  • Steering wheel Paddles control regen strength, friction brakes as normal

    Votes: 11 12.8%
  • One pedal driving (accelerator pedal controls regen amount, need brake pedal for full braking force)

    Votes: 47 54.7%

  • Total voters
    86
My experience with brake regen in an EV actually reminds me most of driving a manual gas vehicle and using the gears to create engine braking. I used to challenge myself to not use the brakes at all and come to as close to a stop as possible without killing the engine just by downshifting at appropriate RPMs.

I have grown to enjoy regenerative braking while street driving. It's convenient, and I feel my formative years driving a manual allowed me to adjust to it quickly (like in a day).

I generally rely on gearbox / low range gearing for managing velocity in off-road driving, only using brakes to come to a complete stop or hold on inclines - my diesel Land Rover has a very low crawl ratio with an 8speed ZF auto trans in low range, such that I need to apply the throttle in low range and 1st gear to move downhill in anything shallower than something that looks like you're going to headstand on the front bumper and you feel like you're hanging from the seatbelt.

If a BEV replicated this feeling off-road, even if it requires a low range transfer case, I would be happy.
Wow. Old school. I remember those days. Everything is automatic these days.
 
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If you haven’t felt 1-PD with a strong regen, it’s very much like driving a manual and just lifting your foot off the accelerator without touching the clutch.

Its true.

Although it depends on which gear we're talking about :).

I do the same with my paddle shifters. Hence the reason I’d enjoy those on the Scouts but not a must have. Especially nice when someone is riding my a$$ and I want to slow really quickly without brake lights
I actually do this as well. Just with using the regen paddles for adjusting regen (similar to how you'd do it with paddle shifters in a DCT or other "manually shifted automatic" transmission).

My experience with brake regen in an EV actually reminds me most of driving a manual gas vehicle and using the gears to create engine braking. I used to challenge myself to not use the brakes at all and come to as close to a stop as possible without killing the engine just by downshifting at appropriate RPMs.

I have grown to enjoy regenerative braking while street driving. It's convenient, and I feel my formative years driving a manual allowed me to adjust to it quickly (like in a day).

I generally rely on gearbox / low range gearing for managing velocity in off-road driving, only using brakes to come to a complete stop or hold on inclines - my diesel Land Rover has a very low crawl ratio with an 8speed ZF auto trans in low range, such that I need to apply the throttle in low range and 1st gear to move downhill in anything shallower than something that looks like you're going to headstand on the front bumper and you feel like you're hanging from the seatbelt.

If a BEV replicated this feeling off-road, even if it requires a low range transfer case, I would be happy.

And 100% agreed on offroading. Low range and first gear == a LOT of control going down a rocky waterfall :).

My first vehicles I drove, were all manuals as well (~97 Honda Civic, and 97 Jeep Wrangler). And the TJ had a lift, lockers, and 33's, and was used as a wheeling vehicle. We even added a "hand throttle", that we created using an old bike friction shifter. We routed the cable through the shift boot, and clamped it to the shifter below the shift knob. So we could dial in an RPM with the bike shifter with your ring finger/pinky, and then feather the brake/clutch while crawling.

And it made it a LOT easier to drive over chunky low speed trails, without your foot bouncing on the throttle making you "see saw".
 
It's funny you say that. Reading this thread, I was thinking this would be an easy transition for me coming from all manual-transmission vehicles where I typically rev-match upshifts and downshifts and mostly do engine braking. It's a fun game to me to see if I can time things so that I don't have to touch the brake pedal at all and I've gotten quite good at it in traffic or when coming to a stop on an incline. Technically it's two pedal driving instead of the normal three pedal driving, haha.
I almost never touch the brake pedal in my EV. It always takes a second to reset my brain in an ICE vehicle.
 
I do the same with my paddle shifters. Hence the reason I’d enjoy those on the Scouts but not a must have. Especially nice when someone is riding my a$$ and I want to slow really quickly without brake lights
In both my Polestar and my wife's GV60, when full regen occurs whether you touch the brake or not, the brake lights come on. This is a safety measure for a good reason, specifically because of the one you highlight.
 
With one-pedal off in the bolt it’s always regen-ing when you let off the accelerator, even if it’s not actively slowing, but on the pedal the first, 15% or so of the break pedal is just regen strength, then friction breaks
 
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With one-pedal off in the bolt it’s always regen-ing when you let off the accelerator, even if it’s not actively slowing, but on the pedal the first, 15% or so of the break pedal is just regen strength, then friction breaks
Polestar uses blended braking always, with varying levels of regen vs friction. I swear it has intelligence integrated with the vision-based collision avoidance system because it will come to a stop with F1 precision on a stop line with no brake pedal input. The Polestar has two levels of regen, "Low" and "High".

My wife's GV60 is more traditional. It has four levels of regen (1-3 and "Max," true one-pedal.) the default is Level 3 which is equivalent to Polestar's "Low" regen setting. The "Max" is a bit stronger on lift-off than Polestar's "High" regen setting. I prefer the Polestar's calibration, but the GV60's "Max" is easy to use and well-calibrated.
 
For those of you interested in how Scout might use one pedal driving, as I was watching Kim Java's review of the Scouts at the Scout Harvester Festival in NC a couple of weeks ago, Chris Benjamin was showing off the UI and he toggled to this screen. One pedal driving is in the upper left tile. What do you folks think? Is that selection for having one pedal and not or a selection for the strength of the regen? Or maybe both? I'm a one pedal guy myself and much prefer having it so I'm happy to see this.

And then there is a "creep" selection. I don't know how "creep" would be with one pedal driving so maybe you can toggle it off?

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For those of you interested in how Scout might use one pedal driving, as I was watching Kim Java's review of the Scouts at the Scout Harvester Festival in NC a couple of weeks ago, Chris Benjamin was showing off the UI and he toggled to this screen. One pedal driving is in the upper left tile. What do you folks think? Is that selection for having one pedal and not or a selection for the strength of the regen? Or maybe both? I'm a one pedal guy myself and much prefer having it so I'm happy to see this.

And then there is a "creep" selection. I don't know how "creep" would be with one pedal driving so maybe you can toggle it off?

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I prefer one pedal mode…
I also loved the regen paddles on the ELR steering wheel - but I think we know that’s not happening at this point.
 
For those of you interested in how Scout might use one pedal driving, as I was watching Kim Java's review of the Scouts at the Scout Harvester Festival in NC a couple of weeks ago, Chris Benjamin was showing off the UI and he toggled to this screen. One pedal driving is in the upper left tile. What do you folks think? Is that selection for having one pedal and not or a selection for the strength of the regen? Or maybe both? I'm a one pedal guy myself and much prefer having it so I'm happy to see this.

And then there is a "creep" selection. I don't know how "creep" would be with one pedal driving so maybe you can toggle it off?

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BMW used to have a downhill creep mode so I suppose this could be a downhill or a “rock” type mode. I feel like Jamie did say there would be adjustable pedal action so that makes sense that there is a mode
 
When I first bought my Ioniq 5, I had to try one-pedal and I really liked it, especially when driving in the city, mountains or in stop and go traffic. However, it seems that with this car I get much better range if I allow it to coast rather than regen on the highway. Of course, when needing to slow down or stop, I do get regen from braking. I have read that coasting can be more efficient, but really I am basing my opinion on how it seems with my range on the highway. Another thing, when the car was new to me, I found that I used the paddle shifters a lot to change regen levels. Not so much anymore. Since the brakes regen anyway, using the brake pedal can give a smoother transition to regen rather than like "gearing down" suddenly. I guess in the end it is mostly personal preference and also the efficiency of the vehicle as far as range. I really do like that when I do want to change regen levels, it is right there at my fingertips and not hunting through menus on the display. If that is Scouts only option for level changes, I will likely just set it and leave it there until the level that it is set to gets intolerable.
 
BMW used to have a downhill creep mode so I suppose this could be a downhill or a “rock” type mode. I feel like Jamie did say there would be adjustable pedal action so that makes sense that there is a mode
Yes, I got to drive on the BMW off road track. The BMW staff would guide you through the course by walkie talkie. When looking down a steep hill, he said to trust the vehicle and let it creep down the hill with no pedal action. It performed beautifully.
 
Yes, I got to drive on the BMW off road track. The BMW staff would guide you through the course by walkie talkie. When looking down a steep hill, he said to trust the vehicle and let it creep down the hill with no pedal action. It performed beautifully.
Did the same and was truly amazed when they said let it roll. Worked like a charm
 
For those of you interested in how Scout might use one pedal driving, as I was watching Kim Java's review of the Scouts at the Scout Harvester Festival in NC a couple of weeks ago, Chris Benjamin was showing off the UI and he toggled to this screen. One pedal driving is in the upper left tile. What do you folks think? Is that selection for having one pedal and not or a selection for the strength of the regen? Or maybe both? I'm a one pedal guy myself and much prefer having it so I'm happy to see this.

And then there is a "creep" selection. I don't know how "creep" would be with one pedal driving so maybe you can toggle it off?

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Whatever the case, I’m glad options are given so you can futz around and decide what combinations suit you best. That’s something I’d want to work out in the comfort of safe and open terrain.
 
For those of you interested in how Scout might use one pedal driving, as I was watching Kim Java's review of the Scouts at the Scout Harvester Festival in NC a couple of weeks ago, Chris Benjamin was showing off the UI and he toggled to this screen. One pedal driving is in the upper left tile. What do you folks think? Is that selection for having one pedal and not or a selection for the strength of the regen? Or maybe both? I'm a one pedal guy myself and much prefer having it so I'm happy to see this.

And then there is a "creep" selection. I don't know how "creep" would be with one pedal driving so maybe you can toggle it off?

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Since it says "one-pedal braking" looks like a LOW and a HIGH regen setting?
 
Since it says "one-pedal braking" looks like a LOW and a HIGH regen setting?
Sheesh, I hope there are more levels than that. When driving in the mountains on different grades, you would hope to have more options. I know it's not the same, but imagine if you only could select 1st gear or overdrive on a manual transmission.
 
I never even touch the regen option on my truck. I set it and forget it. I only use the brake for pulling into my garage so I can get close enough to the wall for the garage to close. However, even then the truck emergency brakes because of the sensors being too close to the wall. 😅
 
I never even touch the regen option on my truck. I set it and forget it. I only use the brake for pulling into my garage so I can get close enough to the wall for the garage to close. However, even then the truck emergency brakes because of the sensors being too close to the wall. 😅
I don't use the regen option on my truck. Set it to "standard" the day I got it and have never changed it. Couldn't even tell you how to do it. Same here: I only use the brake when something unexpected happens or when I mash the gas too hard in reverse and it lurches back. :p
 
The Mustang and Lightning both have one-pedal on or off, which is really high or low regen. In addition, they both blend the brakes such that regen braking is used most of the time when you use the brake pedal. The blending of regen vs friction is done based on brake pedal depth or brake pedal application speed.

On the Silverado EV, there are several levels of one pedal regen power. And again, the blending is based on how quickly the driver brakes or how much they brake.

The R2 also has several levels of one pedal. And as far as I can tell, without reading the obd2, the braking is well-blended.

On all of them we choose a setting and don't change it.