R2 Launch Watch
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I wonder when they will announce more spots to showcase it
Any imagine it won’t be soon. I would think they already have dates figured in order to manage the year
In Austin at the Rivian Showroom, pretty cool set up they had along with an off road course, the R2 has great size. What really caught my eye is they had a 2 artist team that was painting one of them from scratch! Following along on social media for the final product.
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Perhaps surprisingly, I don't disagree with much of that, and tried to indicate as such in my post.
Its not a problem that the R2 isn't a rock crawler. As you say, 99% of people won't ever be doing this, and a vehicle that could articulate like that, isn't a great daily driver (been there, done that, know it firsthand... although they're not all as bad as you'd think
).This was more of a gut reaction of how the vehicles handled the offroad experience. It was literally the first thing I noticed. And while I did notice the traction control/etc, my gut takeaway from this was that they're, doing this intentionally to reenforce their "offroad DNA". I get it, the test has some wow factor, and it is a legitimately cool experience, especially if you've never done it before. No shade there.
Also, I've said before, while I have some rock crawling in my past, thats not my thing anymore. So I'm 100% ok with the new scout not articulating like the vehicles I showed (that was more of a general FYI for people if they didn't know about articulation). In fact, due to the layout of IFS/Solid axle rear, I'm not expecting them to be as good as the solid axle vehicles for articulation/offroading. And, I'm ok with that, as a tradeoff for better on road performance, where I spend wayyy more of my time.
That said, I suspect that the Scout will target being better offroad than the R2, even in the "non offroad package". Just based on the fact that they say that the rear locker will come standard for all models from the factory. And I'd love for a swaybar disconnect as well (mechanical, or electronic), but I don't know if we've heard official word on that.
No, I know. I find the conversation between two people in a forum is usually between 2 people work 30 more listening in.
Wheel up in the air is just a Rivian thing IYKYKPerhaps surprisingly, I don't disagree with much of that, and tried to indicate as such in my post.
Its not a problem that the R2 isn't a rock crawler. As you say, 99% of people won't ever be doing this, and a vehicle that could articulate like that, isn't a great daily driver (been there, done that, know it firsthand... although they're not all as bad as you'd think
This was more of a gut reaction of how the vehicles handled the offroad experience. It was literally the first thing I noticed. And while I did notice the traction control/etc, my gut takeaway from this was that they're, doing this intentionally to reenforce their "offroad DNA". I get it, the test has some wow factor, and it is a legitimately cool experience, especially if you've never done it before. No shade there.
Also, I've said before, while I have some rock crawling in my past, thats not my thing anymore. So I'm 100% ok with the new scout not articulating like the vehicles I showed (that was more of a general FYI for people if they didn't know about articulation). In fact, due to the layout of IFS/Solid axle rear, I'm not expecting them to be as good as the solid axle vehicles for articulation/offroading. And, I'm ok with that, as a tradeoff for better on road performance, where I spend wayyy more of my time.
That said, I suspect that the Scout will target being better offroad than the R2, even in the "non offroad package". Just based on the fact that they say that the rear locker will come standard for all models from the factory. And I'd love for a swaybar disconnect as well (mechanical, or electronic), but I don't know if we've heard official word on that.
Sooo…. We are advertising the lack of articulation?
Obviously, articulation is one the keys to a highly capable off-road rig. However, so is a very low center of gravity. Rivian has pioneered this new way of off-roading with very impressive results. A stock Rivian R1 is an extremely capable off-roader even without solid rear axles or lockers, and yes I also understand that air springs are not ideal for off-road either. But I can easily say as a current Rivian owner that they are extremely nice to have for height adjustment when needed and provide an incredibly smooth ride both on the pavement and off.
Now with that being said, what's so exciting about SM is that they have the chance to create the best of both worlds. By having excellent COG, articulating suspension with solid axle and lockers, the off-road capabilities should be in theory at least absolutely stellar!
Batteries on bottom is best as far as COG which I do t think about much but glad you made the point. Is a bonus of the large battery packsWheel up in the air is just a Rivian thing IYKYK
Obviously, articulation is one the keys to a highly capable off-road rig. However, so is a very low center of gravity. Rivian has pioneered this new way of off-roading with very impressive results. A stock Rivian R1 is an extremely capable off-roader even without solid rear axles or lockers, and yes I also understand that air springs are not ideal for off-road either. But I can easily say as a current Rivian owner that they are extremely nice to have for height adjustment when needed and provide an incredibly smooth ride both on the pavement and off.
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Now with that being said, what's so exciting about SM is that they have the chance to create the best of both worlds. By having excellent COG, articulating suspension with solid axle and lockers, the off-road capabilities should be in theory at least absolutely stellar!
I remember this thread and really tried not to drum up the air suspension debate again as a result
So the R2 looks like there’s quite a bit of difference between the base trim and the other trims. For example on the base the back window doesn’t roll down and the rear wiper is in a completely different place. I hope Scout doesn’t do things like that with the base. That would be like a base 4Runner not allowing the window to roll down. It’s just weird.
Did they just forget to put a wiper on the Performance image? I don't see it at all?
Sometimes these images are just renderings (or photos with enhancements), so I wonder if someone forgot to unhide a layer in their Photoshop file. hahaha
Rivian's rear wiper is actually hidden in the door to increase its range
I wonder if the display for the standard is just a visual mistake? It would seem weird for them to move it for that trim specifically.
That's neat! But then also strange that it appears the base has a different wiper configuration? I guess because the back window doesn't roll down? But then what about those 6 extra miles they get from putting the wiper in its cubby? I'd want those miles! lol
I suspect the wiper placement change is real. In the configurator with the Standard, there’s a coating on the glass around the wiper. That would be difficult to not include if it was accidental.
You're correct that the wiper is up a bit on the standard trim because the back window doesn't roll down. The premium trim has the wiper in the cubby just because that's how they made it work with the window rolling down. Since the standard trim doesn't have the added complexity of the window rolling down, they can cut the cost of the added complexity wiper, too. And the extra mileage doesn't come from the wiper being placed in the cubby; it comes from them putting the wiper at the bottom of the rear window instead of the top. Them adding that spoiler-like thing at the top of the rear window gets the 6 extra miles, but that means the wiper can't go up there. The cubby is just their solution for a wiper for the roll-down rear window when they can't put it at the top (due to the spoiler).
I love how I can learn new things about other EVs in this community too, thanks!
Agreed, although I do like that there is under a $10k price difference between the Standard and the Performance. Hopefully Scout will have a similar differential so the top trim isn't $30-40k above the base trim. Looking at the R2, I'd be going with the Premium trim if I were to order one.
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