Ideal Small Sized Vehicle

[SrfnFly227]

Something a little bigger than the TJ Wrangler and smaller than the current model. I would buy a 2 door personally, but would expect a 4 door to sell more units. Soft top and/or removable hardtop. 250 mile range.

I honestly believe there is a market for an EV Wrangler/Bronco. People don't buy that type of vehicle expecting it to be great at road tripping or towing. People buy them as a fun vehicle to drive around town. Getting 250 miles is fine. Hell, the gas light in my Wrangler comes on around 210-220 miles.

The problem with a 3 row will be the battery size requirement. People will expect it to drive as far as a comparable gas powered vehicle. That isn't range anxiety. Its simply expectations of a class of vehicle. My Grand Cherokee has a 450-500 mile range. I can fill the tank in less than 10 minutes and then drive another 450-500. I can't imagine the amount of battery that would be required to move a Suburban 500 miles. How long would that much battery take to charge? How much would that vehicle weigh? Cost?

I just don't see the 3 row as being feasible with current tech. I do think you could make a really successful Wrangler/Bronco killer though.

 

[J Alynn]

Something a little bigger than the TJ Wrangler and smaller than the current model. I would buy a 2 door personally, but would expect a 4 door to sell more units. Soft top and/or removable hardtop. 250 mile range.

I honestly believe there is a market for an EV Wrangler/Bronco. People don't buy that type of vehicle expecting it to be great at road tripping or towing. People buy them as a fun vehicle to drive around town. Getting 250 miles is fine. Hell, the gas light in my Wrangler comes on around 210-220 miles.

The problem with a 3 row will be the battery size requirement. People will expect it to drive as far as a comparable gas powered vehicle. That isn't range anxiety. Its simply expectations of a class of vehicle. My Grand Cherokee has a 450-500 mile range. I can fill the tank in less than 10 minutes and then drive another 450-500. I can't imagine the amount of battery that would be required to move a Suburban 500 miles. How long would that much battery take to charge? How much would that vehicle weigh? Cost?

I just don't see the 3 row as being feasible with current tech. I do think you could make a really successful Wrangler/Bronco killer though.

I hear you loud and clear. Kinda feel the same though families with incomes over $125K love a big honking 3-row even if they do t truly need it. My wife included with her slightly smaller honda pilot and just the two of us in the house

 

[J Alynn]

Took a shot at some AI scout 800

 

[cyure]

Took a shot at some AI scout 800

I like that color. It’s no PBY, but I like it.

 

[J Alynn]

I like that color. It’s no PBY, but I like it.

It is PBY. Pale Blue Yonder

 

[cyure]

It is OBY. Pale Blue Yonder

There’s only one PBY! The OG.

 

[maynard]

Took a shot at some AI scout 800

I like the 2 door look…

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

Yes definitely stick with the 2-door. I would also keep the rear window flick, the body flick like the Terra, and maybe go to the square headlights like the latest Scout II’s.

 

[Scoutsie]

Does nobody have a napkin and a ballpoint pen these days to not be able to just chicken scratch out what’s in their head? It doesn’t have to be ready for display in the Met, but it doesn’t always have to be AI-generated.

In response to the original question, a RAV4 is a decent size for my purposes. The original Scout with four doors would be okay. When you do have passengers, two doors stink. It stinks to climb over a big dumb seat to get into a crummy back seat. I don’t miss that at all.

 

[cyure]

Does nobody have a napkin and a ballpoint pen these days to not be able to just chicken scratch out what’s in their head? It doesn’t have to be ready for display in the Met, but it doesn’t always have to be AI-generated.

In response to the original question, a RAV4 is a decent size for my purposes. The original Scout with four doors would be okay. When you do have passengers, two doors stink. It stinks to climb over a big dumb seat to get into a crummy back seat. I don’t miss that at all.

Agree. I test drove a Defender 90 and it had power seats. My husband said how do you get in the back. There’s a button you push and the seat has to move forward and up, which took forever and then back in place. That right there we both said nope never mind.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Does nobody have a napkin and a ballpoint pen these days to not be able to just chicken scratch out what’s in their head? It doesn’t have to be ready for display in the Met, but it doesn’t always have to be AI-generated.

Careful, that's how the CT made it into production...

 

[LastDayScout]

Does nobody have a napkin and a ballpoint pen these days to not be able to just chicken scratch out what’s in their head? It doesn’t have to be ready for display in the Met, but it doesn’t always have to be AI-generated.

In response to the original question, a RAV4 is a decent size for my purposes. The original Scout with four doors would be okay. When you do have passengers, two doors stink. It stinks to climb over a big dumb seat to get into a crummy back seat. I don’t miss that at all.

I like sketching but it’s hard to upload and share. I did one of a hypothetical scout motors logo a long time ago.

 

[J Alynn]

Does nobody have a napkin and a ballpoint pen these days to not be able to just chicken scratch out what’s in their head? It doesn’t have to be ready for display in the Met, but it doesn’t always have to be AI-generated.

In response to the original question, a RAV4 is a decent size for my purposes. The original Scout with four doors would be okay. When you do have passengers, two doors stink. It stinks to climb over a big dumb seat to get into a crummy back seat. I don’t miss that at all.

Do these count? I leave it to Massie to do the sketches Scouts. My world is architecture

 

[apex96]

The problem with a 3 row will be the battery size requirement. People will expect it to drive as far as a comparable gas powered vehicle. That isn't range anxiety. Its simply expectations of a class of vehicle. My Grand Cherokee has a 450-500 mile range. I can fill the tank in less than 10 minutes and then drive another 450-500. I can't imagine the amount of battery that would be required to move a Suburban 500 miles. How long would that much battery take to charge? How much would that vehicle weigh? Cost?

I just don't see the 3 row as being feasible with current tech. I do think you could make a really successful Wrangler/Bronco killer though.

Look at the Cadillac Escalade IQ for the best current comparison. It will do over 460 miles on a full charge with a 205kWh pack. It is the closest comparison to a gas powered full size three row SUV.

Specification	Cadillac Escalade IQ (Electric)	Cadillac Escalade (Gas)
Powertrain	Electric Motor	V8 (6.2L) Gas Engine
Horsepower	~750 HP	~420 HP
Torque	~785 lb-ft	~460 lb-ft
Battery Capacity	200 kWh (estimated)	N/A
Range	400+ miles (estimated)	360-420 miles (depending on trim)
Charging Time	10-80% in ~30 minutes (DC Fast)	N/A
Towing Capacity	8,000 lbs (estimated)	8,200 lbs
Acceleration (0-60 mph)	~4.5 seconds	~6.0 seconds
Drive Type	All-Wheel Drive (AWD)	Rear-Wheel Drive (RWD) / AWD
Transmission	Single-speed transmission (EV)	10-speed automatic transmission
Interior	5-7 passengers (luxury SUV)	7-8 passengers (luxury SUV)
Infotainment	38-inch OLED screen, Super Cruise	38-inch OLED screen, Super Cruise
Cargo Space	~90.9 cu ft (with seats folded)	121.0 cu ft (with seats folded)
Dimensions (L x W x H)	227.0 x 80.0 x 77.0 inches	211.9 x 81.1 x 76.7 inches
Wheelbase	130 inches	120.9 inches
Price (Base)	~$130,000 (estimated)	~$77,000

The tech to make a long range vehicle is here now... The price just isn't accessible to everyone yet.

Edited text and added a table to make it cleaner and add rows of data.

 

[LastDayScout]

Look at the Cadillac Escalade IQ for the best current comparison. It will do over 460 miles on a full charge with a 205kWh pack. It is the closest comparison to a gas powered full size three row SUV.

Specification Cadillac Escalade IQ (Electric) Cadillac Escalade (Gas)
Powertrain Electric Motor V8 (6.2L) Gas Engine
Horsepower ~750 HP ~420 HP
Torque ~785 lb-ft ~460 lb-ft
Battery Capacity 200 kWh (estimated) N/A
Range 400+ miles (estimated) 360-420 miles (depending on trim)
Charging Time 10-80% in ~30 minutes (DC Fast) N/A
Towing Capacity 8,000 lbs (estimated) 8,200 lbs
Acceleration (0-60 mph) ~4.5 seconds ~6.0 seconds
Drive Type All-Wheel Drive (AWD) Rear-Wheel Drive (RWD) / AWD

The tech to make a long range vehicle is here now... The price just isn't accessible to everyone yet.

My family of 4 had an airport transfer in an Escalade IQ recently. It is very very nice but way too big for my personal purposes. I wonder if a suburban varian way in the cards but shelved? Although Suburbans are super expensive these days too.

 

[apex96]

My family of 4 had an airport transfer in an Escalade IQ recently. It is very very nice but way too big for my personal purposes. I wonder if a suburban varian way in the cards but shelved? Although Suburbans are super expensive these days too.

I have to assume the final price for a Suburban EV would be very close to the IQs price range and it may not have sold well if people realized they could get the Cadillac with much nicer finishes for only 10K more than a Chevrolet. I think a Traverse EV might sell well but may also cannibalize sales from the Cadillac Vistiq's lower end "Luxury" trim level...

 

[LastDayScout]

I have to assume the final price was for a Suburban EV would be very close to the IQs price range and it may not have sold well if people realized they could get the Cadillac with much nicer finishes for only 10K more than a Chevrolet. I think a Traverse EV might sell well but may also cannibalize sales from the Cadillac Vistiq's lower end "Luxury" trim level...

My brother has a vistiq. Pretty nice vehicle.

 

[apex96]

My brother has a vistiq. Pretty nice vehicle.

I got to look at one in person at a recent auto show. It was very well appointed. I really wish GM would transition their Buick brand to EV like they did with China... Buick is killing it with their new designs and price points, I'd gladly take a Buick stylized EV over a Chevy or Caddy EV.

 

[J Alynn]

I got to look at one in person at a recent auto show. It was very well appointed. I really wish GM would transition their Buick brand to EV like they did with China... Buick is killing it with their new designs and price points, I'd gladly take a Buick stylized EV over a Chevy or Caddy EV.

Yeah. Never thought I’d say Buick had good designs but last few years have impressed me

 

[OleScout]

Yeah. Never thought I’d say Buick had good designs but last few years have impressed me

And commercials.