Exactly. That’s how I took it was traveler would come out, with both powertrains.
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exactly what I was thinking after the podcast, which I think is very reasonable, I would struggle with my patience if they launch the Terra without BEV but I don’t see that happening
Yeah especially because I remember in another interview Scott mentioning that EREV and BEV can use one line because the both utilize the same motors, just one needs a few extra parts for Harvester. Making production lines cleaner because it’s less lines needing to be operating. Instead of 4 you only need 2.
I wouldn’t take anything this guy posts too seriously. He’s still busy telling people the Harvester Terra will only tow 5k lb. Even though final specs are still not announced, and Jamie has said on this forum that they’re working to get higher numbers.
I know, but looking through some of the comments, people are believing the title and thumbnail
I think some of the concern is Scout/jamie hasn’t come out and said otherwise? When everyone is saying EREV but know one is correcting and saying both, the stone starts rolling faster and momentum is hard to stop
I saw romr comment back to someone yesterday that was asking for close to 10,000lbs towing and he replied something along the lines of you will be very happy to see the numbers.
Yea, but most of those people won’t bother to read anything, or watch more than 3 minute video clips, lol. They’re the type of people who just eat up bad news from any source.
Oh for goodness sake. This is getting ridiculous.
I attempted to find the quote from the podcast, but I don’t have time to sit through the entire thing again tonight to pull the quote but the gist I got was (at least from Jamie in this instance) the EREV and BEV are not considered different “models” because if I’m not mistaken, there was reference to there being two models, those would be the Terra and the Traveler with the BEV and EREV somewhat interchangeable. So if this is the case for the majority of Scout employees it’s very easy to see where they could refer to models and journalists and the public assume there will be four models, two trucks and two SUVs one with a generator and one that is fully electric of each.
that’s just my more complete take away after having time to chew on my thoughts.
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As currently discussed - Scout has appeared to do their best to make most of the EV parts standard across both Terra and Traveler and on both the EV and EREV - with the obvious exception of the battery pack. From an economical point of view, that is a very good thing. Plus it will make changing production between variants easier.
Now if in the end, Scout decides that the EREV needs additional towing capacity (so it can compete against both a Dodge and a Ford EREV) and the only solution to that is to give up the Frunk and put in a larger generator there - well that would make more differences and possibly make them 2 different Terra lines - as moving that much weight around alone would probably require suspension and maybe frame changes. 2 different Terra lines could kill the EV Terra for a while I guess. But honestly, I would suspect most of the work on designing it would already be done - so the only issue would be the inefficiency of another line.
Now if in the end, Scout decides that the EREV needs additional towing capacity (so it can compete against both a Dodge and a Ford EREV) and the only solution to that is to give up the Frunk and put in a larger generator there - well that would make more differences and possibly make them 2 different Terra lines - as moving that much weight around alone would probably require suspension and maybe frame changes. 2 different Terra lines could kill the EV Terra for a while I guess. But honestly, I would suspect most of the work on designing it would already be done - so the only issue would be the inefficiency of another line.
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I agree. This guy is interesting to watch but I think he is burned up about Ford, and his insurance experience, and is taking his frustrations out on any “EV delay” news.
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Dealers struggle to recoup EV investments as consumer demand lags
From Automotive NewsA majority of dealers haven’t recouped their investments to service and sell electric vehicles, exposing a mismatch between automaker electrification timelines and consumer demand.
The data from Automotive News’ 2026 Dealer Outlook Survey reveals that more than half of dealers said they have recovered none of their investment. Just 3.6 percent said they’ve regained all of it.
Automakers and the federal government under former President Joe Biden pushed dealers to invest in EV sales infrastructure, Don Hall, CEO of the Virginia Automobile Dealers Association, told Automotive News.
But with that external pressure to electrify and investment from the dealers, it “doesn’t mean that the customers are going to buy those vehicles,” Hall said. This difference between electrification goals and consumer demand puts financial strains on dealers struggling to sell and service EVs.
Automakers pushed Donalson Auto Group, of Silsbee, Texas, to invest in EV infrastructure, said Daren Granger, vice president of the group. It was a choice between becoming an EV dealer or accepting limits on EV allocations, he said. His group, which has four stores selling Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram and Toyota vehicles, has sold and services only a few EVs because of a lack of interest in the area.
“We’re probably in the hole about $450,000 to $500,000 right now on the EV side,” Granger said.
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Most dealers have found their customers aren’t considering EVs, the survey found. The survey was conducted from Dec. 4-Jan. 9 and received responses from 140 dealership owners, principals, controllers, CFOs, executives and general managers, the vast majority from the U.S.The number of dealers who said that customers are not interested in purchasing EVs increased 8 percentage points from 2025 to 73 percent in 2026. Fewer than 10 percent of dealers in the 2026 results said that customers are interested and buying.
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Even in areas where electrification is popular such as in New England, sales have declined, but there is still interest in these vehicles, said Jeb Balise, CEO of Balise Motor Sales Co., a dealership group with locations in Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut.
“You have ebbs and flows, but we have a lot of repeat customers that are buying their second or third EV,” Balise said. Maas also said that, while sales have taken a hit, dealers still sell EVs.
Balise Motor Sales, of Springfield, Mass., ranks No. 77 on Automotive News’ 2025 list of the top 150 dealership groups, retailing 15,183 new vehicles in 2024.
What EVs need is more time, so they can develop into the type of vehicle that fits consumer affordability and range needs, Granger said.
The issue with EVs was never a matter of interest, but implementation, Balise said.
“I don’t think anything could ramp up as fast as what the hope was from manufacturers or the government,” he said. “It isn’t practical.”
And yet VW is crying the blues that they should get to sell the new Scouts. Dealers seem to want their cake and to eat it too
It’s because they can taste the markups, they don’t like EVs but they know scout will sell even if they overpriced them, and many people would line up since they were announced at a fairly reasonable price all things considered
Oh if the VW dealers they will be $10k to $20k markup. You know they will. Scout needs to stick to their guns and stay with DTC.
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