Is there anything SM could offer to get you to switch from EREV to BEV?

[CSpott]

With all I have learned on this forum, looking at my driving use cases, and the fact that EVs are a lot less maintenance I have officially switched my reservation to a BEV. I’m on the EV bandwagon!

Now there’s been lots of discussion about which will come first, EREV or BEV. Let’s say the BEV comes out first could Scout offer something to entice EREV reservation holders to take the leap and buy a BEV.

What would it take to get you EREV reservation holders to purchase the BEV? A free home charger? Money towards the installation? Buy a BEV and get moved to the front of the line for an EREV (Rivian was doing that. If you leased an R1 it got you moved to the front of the line for an R2. They told me that when I test drove one last year).

What do you all think? You fence sitters what would push you over the edge??

I'm already leaning toward making the switch. For me, it wouldn't take much. And, for me, the biggest factor is maintenance. I'd much rather not have to deal with the maintenance of the generator on top of regular EV maintenance.

 

[cyure]

I'm already leaning toward making the switch. For me, it wouldn't take much. And, for me, the biggest factor is maintenance. I'd much rather not have to deal with the maintenance of the generator on top of regular EV maintenance.

Same. That’s what pushed me over to BEV and I changed my reservation a few weeks ago.

 

[Variable430]

I’m curious: If power is out for an extended time because of a big disaster like an earthquake or volcanic eruption, how much do you want to be involved in the scramble to acquire gasoline? And how much gasoline do you think would realistically be available to consumers?

I love this. One of the reasons I’m interested in the Scout is if SHTF kinda go anywhere do anything vehicle. The question is in that scenario where everything is fubar are you better off with EV only or am EREV? I don’t think gasoline supplies will be readily available but electric generation is likely to be hampered as well. This might sound far fetched but with the way our country is nose diving into the earth not beyond the realm of possibility.

 

[Variable430]

Even though I would never want the EREV, I'm sort of a fan of Scout for providing the EREV option as a bridge to EV ownership for certain people that are fence sitters. Since many Americans have never owned or experienced an EV yet, the EREV is one way to help those buyers cross the chasm if they have doubts or need some reassurances... So, I think Scout should just keep doing what they are doing and offering the EREV to those that want gas AND electric.

It's clear that the oil and gas faction is clinging on to ICE as hard as possible - they will spew as much FUD as they can to retain what little is left of an essentially obsolete technology. I see the value in the EREV version of the Scout to enable more progress toward cleaner mobility. I also see value for those that like to boondock a lot and go off-grid (even if it is a very niche group).

Post-launch, and after having trucks in the market for a certain period of time, I could see Scout incentivizing EREV owners to "trade-up" to a new PURE BEV Scout. My theory being that a lot of EREV owners will come around 180 degrees on the benefits of the pure BEV, but still love their Scout. They will be a valuable and captive audience for the second wave of Scout ownership, and many will trade-up to get into a BEV by that time - simply based on the advancements with infrastructure and new battery tech.

As a BEV owner I concur with the one caveat being we need to see what the real world efficiency numbers are gonna be. Either Terra or Traveler is about as aerodynamic as a brick so if you end up getting 200 highway miles of range that’s a problem. If the numbers are decent (3mil/kwh)on the highway I’m switching to Bev.

 

[Variable430]

These scenarios sound truly like doomsday scenarios.

Not really. We are due. Mother Nature has her own sense of timing and we haven’t done ourselves any favors.

 

[Logan]

As a BEV owner I concur with the one caveat being we need to see what the real world efficiency numbers are gonna be. Either Terra or Traveler is about as aerodynamic as a brick so if you end up getting 200 highway miles of range that’s a problem. If the numbers are decent (3mil/kwh)on the highway I’m switching to Bev.

We don’t know for sure, but I’d be very skeptical that we will see efficiency numbers that high on the highway (at least at around 70mph).

I have an Ioniq 9, which is ballpark similar in size to the scouts. It sits between the traveler and terra in length, is a touch narrower, and is way lower to the ground, running street tires. It also is pretty aero for its size (about 200inches long, and just shy of 6000lbs). And on the highway, it gets between 2.8-3.2miles/kwh at 70mph or thereabouts.

I’m not hoping for much more efficiency than a Rivian, just given its size and shape, and the tires it is likely to be wearing.

I am however curious to see the numbers whenever they come out.

 

[R1TVT]

I’m not hoping for much more efficiency than a Rivian, just given its size and shape, and the tires it is likely to be wearing.

I am however curious to see the numbers whenever they come out.

100%

 

[BeerParty]

I love this. One of the reasons I’m interested in the Scout is if SHTF kinda go anywhere do anything vehicle. The question is in that scenario where everything is fubar are you better off with EV only or am EREV? I don’t think gasoline supplies will be readily available but electric generation is likely to be hampered as well. This might sound far fetched but with the way our country is nose diving into the earth not beyond the realm of possibility.

Is a BEV or an EREV better when the SHTF? Now there is a debate that could go on for a while.

If you are traveling in a SHTF scenario, which is more likely to be available and functional - gas stations or DCFC? If the power is out at your house, is there a DCFC nearby that is likely to be operational? Is there a gas station nearby that is likely to be operational? It all depends on what the emergency is and what the response is. And since both BEV and EREV can be charged, using at-home solar applies to both of them (but you'll need a lot of solar panels). An EREV can use either gas or DCFC, so it feels like an EREV would have the advantage. But that feels like an oversimplification.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Is a BEV or an EREV better when the SHTF? Now there is a debate that could go on for a while.

If you are traveling in a SHTF scenario, which is more likely to be available and functional - gas stations or DCFC? If the power is out at your house, is there a DCFC nearby that is likely to be operational? Is there a gas station nearby that is likely to be operational? It all depends on what the emergency is and what the response is. And since both BEV and EREV can be charged, using at-home solar applies to both of them (but you'll need a lot of solar panels). An EREV can use either gas or DCFC, so it feels like an EREV would have the advantage. But that feels like an oversimplification.

I’m sure this is a me problem, but my brain is trying to figure out what SHTF stands for and so far I got nothing I could use in polite conversation.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

I would think EREV. Before SHTF you fabricate a portable pump with hose and power, small enough to drop down the filler neck at a gas station… and “Bob’s your Uncle”!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I didn’t want to derail the original thread, so have resisted jumping back in. If someone wants to start a separate thread about stuff hitting the fan, I’d jump in with my experience, calculations, and opinions and would love to hear others’ experiences and thoughts. There are pros and cons and the trade-offs depend on what kind of stuff and what kind of fan we’re talking about.

 

[Logan]

I’m sure this is a me problem, but my brain is trying to figure out what SHTF stands for and so far I got nothing I could use in polite conversation.

Its because it what it does mean, isn't something that you could say in polite conversation.

Which means, you probably found the correct definition .

Its when "Poo Hits The Fan", so to speak.

And to the original question, I still really think for me its price, actual real world range, and charging curve.

 

[strider]

I’m with you on the ICE maintenance. It’s a robust, long lived technology. If SM is designing for 80% user serviceability I have no issue doing those ICE things myself. Not counting the BEV out, it’s pretty cool. I think part of what gives me pause is the state of DCFC in non-corridor locations, like rural missouri, parts of Montana, Wyoming, etc. All places I will want to go to.

One data point I can share, as someone who has been driving EVs since 2010, long before DCFC was a thing, is to not forget about RV Parks/Campgrounds. They have 240V/50A plugs and were our go-to before there was DCFC. Yes, no one wants to do what I did and bring a lawn chair and a book and sit for 4 hours on a road trip, but if are you going to go to a rural place and stay there for a little while, you can easily get a full charge out in the boonies. Remember, there are way more electrical outlets than there are gas stations.

While I am a rip the band-aid off kind of person, I think the EREV will work for a lot of people and ease the transition. You get to mostly drive electric but then have a long-range traveling/towing vehicle when you need it without having to maintain 2 vehicles.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Its because it what it does mean, isn't something that you could say in polite conversation.

Which means, you probably found the correct definition .

Its when "Poo Hits The Fan", so to speak.

And to the original question, I still really think for me its price, actual real world range, and charging curve.

Oh, that makes so much more sense. I thought it was kind of new Hybrid Technology…

 

[TelemarkingSailor]

One data point I can share, as someone who has been driving EVs since 2010, long before DCFC was a thing, is to not forget about RV Parks/Campgrounds. They have 240V/50A plugs and were our go-to before there was DCFC. Yes, no one wants to do what I did and bring a lawn chair and a book and sit for 4 hours on a road trip, but if are you going to go to a rural place and stay there for a little while, you can easily get a full charge out in the boonies. Remember, there are way more electrical outlets than there are gas stations.

While I am a rip the band-aid off kind of person, I think the EREV will work for a lot of people and ease the transition. You get to mostly drive electric but then have a long-range traveling/towing vehicle when you need it without having to maintain 2 vehicles.

When I got my solar panels installed on my home, the installers had a promotion where I could get a free level two charger (Wallbox). We're still not exactly sure how it happened, but my wife somehow disconnected the charging cable from the unit. I've been thinking about replacing it with something from Lectron that would let me choose between 120 and 240, but I always get hung up on the 240 outlet... shape... something like 14-50 or there's some other one? Is that pretty standard for RVs and 240 EV charging cables to use the same format?

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

When I got my solar panels installed on my home, the installers had a promotion where I could get a free level two charger (Wallbox). We're still not exactly sure how it happened, but my wife somehow disconnected the charging cable from the unit. I've been thinking about replacing it with something from Lectron that would let me choose between 120 and 240, but I always get hung up on the 240 outlet... shape... something like 14-50 or there's some other one? Is that pretty standard for RVs and 240 EV charging cables to use the same format?

Is your Wallbox installed?

The common 50A plug at RV sites is a NEMA 14-50.
I carry a pile of adapters so I can plug into pretty much any receptacle, given permission.

 

[TelemarkingSailor]

Is your Wallbox installed?

The common 50A plug at RV sites is a NEMA 14-50.
I carry a pile of adapters so I can plug into pretty much any receptacle, given permission.

OK, I went to check. I had them install a NEMA 14-50 and the Wallbox plugged into that, not a direct-wire model.

So, "installed" yes, it's mounted on the wall but it's unplugged from the outlet and the "connector cord" is coiled in the holder, even though it's been disconnected from the internals.

Do you recommend a particular mobile charger?

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

OK, I went to check. I had them install a NEMA 14-50 and the Wallbox plugged into that, not a direct-wire model.

So, "installed" yes, it's mounted on the wall but it's unplugged from the outlet and the "connector cord" is coiled in the holder, even though it's been disconnected from the internals.

Do you recommend a particular mobile charger?

I would get the charging cable installed and use the Wallbox for your home charger. A qualified electrician could do that in 10 minutes or less.

For travel, I have the Ford-branded mobile chargers that came with my EVs, and they’ve worked well enough for me that I haven’t had to replace them. I did once (ahem, twice) forget to bring the mobile charger because I’d been using it as the home charger before I installed my L2 charger, so I have a cheap charger that I don’t know if it’s even being made anymore. I can’t recommend a specific one.

I can recommend two things, though:
First some specs on a mobile charger: If you can afford it, get one that allows you to adjust the amperage. This will make it far more useful. Also get one that allows you to plug into either 120V or 240V. And I carry a bunch of adapters.

Second, take a look at Tom Moloughney and State of Charge for reviews and recommendations.

 

[Variable430]

We don’t know for sure, but I’d be very skeptical that we will see efficiency numbers that high on the highway (at least at around 70mph).

I have an Ioniq 9, which is ballpark similar in size to the scouts. It sits between the traveler and terra in length, is a touch narrower, and is way lower to the ground, running street tires. It also is pretty aero for its size (about 200inches long, and just shy of 6000lbs). And on the highway, it gets between 2.8-3.2miles/kwh at 70mph or thereabouts.

I’m not hoping for much more efficiency than a Rivian, just given its size and shape, and the tires it is likely to be wearing.

I am however curious to see the numbers whenever they come out.

That’s my concern w the Bev only. Have an EQS where I can drive at “overtaking speed..cough cough” for the majority of my travel and it gets 270-300miles on the highway with a very aerodynamic shape,a 108 kw battery, and a sailing mode that doesn’t drag the motor as regen can be disconnected. I’m hoping their are some efficiencies the Scout team has built into the system circa 2027 but definitely have concerns.

 

[J Alynn]

One data point I can share, as someone who has been driving EVs since 2010, long before DCFC was a thing, is to not forget about RV Parks/Campgrounds. They have 240V/50A plugs and were our go-to before there was DCFC. Yes, no one wants to do what I did and bring a lawn chair and a book and sit for 4 hours on a road trip, but if are you going to go to a rural place and stay there for a little while, you can easily get a full charge out in the boonies. Remember, there are way more electrical outlets than there are gas stations.

While I am a rip the band-aid off kind of person, I think the EREV will work for a lot of people and ease the transition. You get to mostly drive electric but then have a long-range traveling/towing vehicle when you need it without having to maintain 2 vehicles.

Your last paragraph sums it up. And the EREV is a great gateway vehicle. What SM needs to do is produce the 80/800 next as a smaller than 1/2 ton vehicle and go full BEV with like towing of 3500 lbs. Then those who love Scout or love lifestyle vehicles or have jumped into a traveler/terra harvester may be way more inclined to go full BEV and it would be like 5 years from now so perfect conversion timing