I'm hearing that Scout will produce EREVs first. Very disappointed. My reservation was for BEV. I hope that the VW/Quantumscape ASSB will drop into the Scout.
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Welcome to the community. We don’t actually know anything yet. A really good follow is @Jamie@ScoutMotors he keeps us updated from the manufacturer side. He has posted some info such as initially they are going to start with one model with limited trims as it’s a brand new factory. We don’t know what that model is or the trims yet. It’s still too early. He did respond when those articles were posted that said EREV was coming first. He just stated that those articles had a lot of speculation. For now all we can do is have faith and patience. There’s lots of info on the forum so have fun. We are a great group and there’s lots to talk about while we are waiting. Welcome again!
This has been discussed in a few other locations here in the forums and there are no official plans to launch one vehicle before another at this stage. With a brand new factory and two new vehicles, we will very likely stagger the launch of various models to give our production teams the opportunity to get up to speed and ensure quality as the factory and suppliers adjust to production line increases.
More to come as we get closer to launch.
More to come as we get closer to launch.
Thanks Jamie. Thought I'd throw my two cents in just in case Scout was sending out feelers. It's reported (false or true) that EREV rez out numbered BEV but I'm not buying a Rivian cause I had seen the Terra specs to be more truck based chassis wise. To me if someone is going off grid and really concerned about getting out then buy a gas generator and Ecoflow. I'd be supplementing power with solar so don't want the EREV.
This is a very reasonable and thoughtful approach, which makes perfect sense for a new vehicle - particularly when taking into consideration that quality builds and first impressions will be so important. Thank you.
Staggered launches aren't an issue so long as the stagger isn't crazy. Couple months, six months, sure. If it's a year plus then I'd call that problematic. On a personal level, I simply see any potential delays as extending the window of time for things to happen resulting in me choosing a different car (daily driver dies early, needs change, priorities change, etc.). The good news is Scout isn't going away so if my daily somehow needed replacement right now, then I'd replace it and just consider Scout as the replacement to that car ~10 years later or whatever.
Thanks Jamie for always popping on and clarifying things. Appreciate it.
Thanks for heading off the rumor mill at the pass before these auto articles get out of control.
I am just speculating but assuming they can get all the battery cells that they need, the BEV should be easier/simpler to produce. The EREV has all of the same components of the BEV plus all of the ICE generator components. But maybe they're looking at it from a demand standpoint - I had heard the majority of reservations for EREV so perhaps they are trying to go for the largest market first. I guess allI am saying is that I can argue to start with either one.
My Model X Plaid is only 3 years old so I can wait. I will also say that I would rather wait an extra 6 months and get a vehicle with the bugs worked out than get it 6 months earlier and have it live in the shop. People will forget about the delays, they won't forget about poor quality.
My Model X Plaid is only 3 years old so I can wait. I will also say that I would rather wait an extra 6 months and get a vehicle with the bugs worked out than get it 6 months earlier and have it live in the shop. People will forget about the delays, they won't forget about poor quality.
Everything seems to indicate this technology is still a ways out in terms of cost and mass-scale production. That said, we can adapt new technology (like batteries) in future products.
I can make an argument for either one as well. I swear I heard on a video from back at the beginning of the year that it was 70/30 or 80/20 in favor of the EREV but I could be wrong.
However it has been stated that the BEV was designed first and the EREV added later.
So I could see the BEV going first for all the reasons you stated and I could see the EREV going first for all the reasons you stated.
This is going to be like a Rivian/Lucid, etc situation. Lots of people have reservations. Some will get to go first. Some will have to wait. Some may wait longer than others. It’s all a calculation as to when someone needs or wants to replace their vehicle and if they can wait for their turn.
I’m lucky that my Wrangler has a lifetime MOPAR warranty. If the engine blows up tomorrow I take it to the dealer and they put a new one in for my $100 deductible. So I’m in it for the long haul. But I completely understand if someone needs to replace a car now and the Scout is their next car.
I’m just glad we have this forum to share and make the wait much more enjoyable.
Of course, what’d be really cool, given the longevity of scouts, is if say after 10 or 12 years you could replace your old battery with a new tech battery, and keep the old scout going for a good long time.
While I hope batteries go the distance of 15-20 years I see it as a long term play. In 10-12 years SM is fully established and building 5-6 unique models. At that point a new revenue stream/service could be full body swaps and UX driver replacements to allow the systems to work with the new battery pack. Again-vehicle company first then a battery service but it has merit. At that point why not a collection of long run battery tools for contractors that all charge off of the Scouts. Weed eaters, saws, etc…. License it out and have storage cases to hold the equipment that also has charge ports so tools can stay locked up and still charge.
Not sure the small power tools market is a good idea to enter. A partnership with an existing brand is a better idea and even then I can't see the marketing effort bearing much if any fruit on the sales side.
My reservation is for Harvester, but 5k tow rating is a no go for me. If that number holds, I'll go BEV or purchase a different vehicle all together.
I really hope that they publish accurate capability numbers before they decide which model goes first. A lot of reservation holders may change their mind if certain hoped for numbers don't hold up. Towing capacity isn't the only number that is still uncertain. Let's say the range for the BEV turns out to be 400 rather than 350. What if the range of the EREV is really 400 instead of 500 or that the battery only range drops to 100 from 150. All of these things could impact the final decision of reservation holders.
I'd also be really curious how many reservation holders put deposits down on multiple models not realizing that it could be changed later.
My point is that only with concrete numbers published will people really decide what they want to purchase. Pusblish those numbers and then contact all of the reservations to get an updated take rate. Then decide which vehicle goes first.
I really hope that they publish accurate capability numbers before they decide which model goes first. A lot of reservation holders may change their mind if certain hoped for numbers don't hold up. Towing capacity isn't the only number that is still uncertain. Let's say the range for the BEV turns out to be 400 rather than 350. What if the range of the EREV is really 400 instead of 500 or that the battery only range drops to 100 from 150. All of these things could impact the final decision of reservation holders.
I'd also be really curious how many reservation holders put deposits down on multiple models not realizing that it could be changed later.
My point is that only with concrete numbers published will people really decide what they want to purchase. Pusblish those numbers and then contact all of the reservations to get an updated take rate. Then decide which vehicle goes first.
I see both sides but definitely would lean toward licensing. I just think if someone could become the premier electrical tool supplier and could package them for pick up use and ideal charging scenarios it could make for a new opportunity if promoted to the trades. Certainly not an anytime soon thought but long term down the road and likely not a profit center item but more of a development collaboration in the same sense as mobility items like other manuf do
I think a lot of pundits are going to be surprised by this. I would bet (without any evidence) that a good 50% of the EREV reservation holders also hold a reservation for a BEV. If it’s anywhere near that the, of-cited 80% EREV reservations stat is more likely 60%, which changes the conversation substantially. Only Scout Motors knows this number, though.
I’m one of those people. Have one of each reserved. Figured if my daughter decides to consider one we can make that happen. Or my dad but I don’t see him being willing to spend it.
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