Initial Production Release

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

I suspect that there are also a lot of EREV reservation holders that are not fully aware that they'll be getting a much smaller battery than the 350-mile BEV. This was not a well publicized fact in the first few days of reservations. I initially reacted with "how would you not want the EREV' until I discovered the difference in battery size, then changed my reservation to BEV.

There are several factors that determine the battery size in the EREV. The biggest is the cost, and nearly equally the packaging space. Reams of data show that, on average, people only drive 30-40 miles per day. 150 miles of pure battery-electric range covers the vast majority of daily commutes in the U.S.

By reducing the battery size, we also lower the vehicle's cost and weight. If we were able to package the full BEV battery, a fuel tank, and an engine in the Traveler, the vehicle's cost would be significant. Having a smaller battery reduces cost, moves the weight forward for better weight distribution and provides room for a fuel tank under the rear seat area of the Traveler.

Final battery size (and chemistry) and fuel tank size will be finalized very soon, and we will know more about the specs once all testing is completed.

 

[cyure]

But changing might help SM adjust their expectations. Yeah, one person changing to what they really want a very small %, but it leads the way...

True, also there’s really no need to have two reservations. Unless you are planning on buying two.

 

[cyure]

There are several factors that determine the battery size in the EREV. The biggest is the cost, and nearly equally the packaging space. Reams of data show that, on average, people only drive 30-40 miles per day. 150 miles of pure battery-electric range covers the vast majority of daily commutes in the U.S.

By reducing the battery size, we also lower the vehicle's cost and weight. If we were able to package the full BEV battery, a fuel tank, and an engine in the Traveler, the vehicle's cost would be significant. Having a smaller battery moves the weight forward for better weight distribution and provides room for a fuel tank under the rear seat area of the Traveler.

Final battery size (and chemistry) and fuel tank size will be finalized very soon, and we will know more about the specs once all testing is completed.

Jamie will we be getting a summer testing video anytime soon? Something similar to the winter testing that we saw awhile ago.

Thanks!

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

We aren’t locked into what we want until we place our order. I reserved the EREV but now have decided BEV is the way I want to go but I’m not even bothering to change. When we order we can select either one and BEV or EREV.

Same here.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

And for what it's worth, I have two reservations here, but its because I couldn't decide between the Terra or the Traveler. Both were originally EREV, until I owned a BEV for a few months, and then I switched both to BEV - once you know, you know.... BUT, when I switched I accidentally made both of my reservations for Terras, so then a few weeks later I switched one of those to a Traveler. Wonder what that does to my place in line

Switching vehicles or powertrains within a reservation won't change your original place in line. I know it has been discussed elsewhere, but only a small percentage of reservation holders have reserved more than one vehicle.

 

[cyure]

@Jamie@ScoutMotors it seems that there are quite a few of us who reserved EREV and have decided that we will be purchasing a BEV. Should we be changing our reservations so SM has a better idea of the take rate for the BEV so it can help in the decision as to what will be manufactured first? And if we do switch I just want to verify we keep our place in line. Thanks!

 

[cyure]

Switching vehicles or powertrains within a reservation won't change your original place in line. I know it has been discussed elsewhere, but only a small percentage of reservation holders have reserved more than one vehicle.

You answered part of my question before I could even ask it! Thanks!!

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

Jamie will we be getting a summer testing video anytime soon? Something similar to the winter testing that we saw awhile ago.

Thanks!

Not that I know of (at least in the next few months). The biggest issue is that since we aren't stamping any Scout sheetmetal yet, our mules are complete Frankenstein's of odd sheetmetal and look nothing like Scouts. So we tend not to highlight them yet, as we would end up spending a lot of time answering lots of questions or accusations that they don't look like Scouts, and we deceived everyone with the concepts.

That said, we are capturing the testing for historical purposes, which leaves the door open to show things later.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

@Jamie@ScoutMotors it seems that there are quite a few of us who reserved EREV and have decided that we will be purchasing a BEV. Should we be changing our reservations so SM has a better idea of the take rate for the BEV so it can help in the decision as to what will be manufactured first? And if we do switch I just want to verify we keep our place in line. Thanks!

As we get closer to production yes, that's always helpful. But when you convert from a reservation to an order, we will know pretty quickly where everyone stands.

 

[rfk]

your original place in line

convert from a reservation to an order

Not intended as a trick question but here goes - let's say you're early on the list but need to defer when the invite to order arrives. Any anticipated issues w/ just remaining on the list until the time is right?

All kinds of reasons could cause this scenario - yeah production planning/timing by model/configuration - but also when the time comes to plus up the family fleet (likely our scenario w/ delegating old cars to new drivers), expanding one's garage/installing a lift, stock market surge/crash, etc.

 

[MaddMatt]

Switching vehicles or powertrains within a reservation won't change your original place in line. I know it has been discussed elsewhere, but only a small percentage of reservation holders have reserved more than one vehicle.

For sure, I just logged in and checked, my reservation date an numbers are unchanged

 

[THil08]

There are several factors that determine the battery size in the EREV. The biggest is the cost, and nearly equally the packaging space. Reams of data show that, on average, people only drive 30-40 miles per day. 150 miles of pure battery-electric range covers the vast majority of daily commutes in the U.S.

By reducing the battery size, we also lower the vehicle's cost and weight. If we were able to package the full BEV battery, a fuel tank, and an engine in the Traveler, the vehicle's cost would be significant. Having a smaller battery reduces cost, moves the weight forward for better weight distribution and provides room for a fuel tank under the rear seat area of the Traveler.

Final battery size (and chemistry) and fuel tank size will be finalized very soon, and we will know more about the specs once all testing is completed.

That seems promising! And exciting to finally see some specs

 

[J Alynn]

There are several factors that determine the battery size in the EREV. The biggest is the cost, and nearly equally the packaging space. Reams of data show that, on average, people only drive 30-40 miles per day. 150 miles of pure battery-electric range covers the vast majority of daily commutes in the U.S.

By reducing the battery size, we also lower the vehicle's cost and weight. If we were able to package the full BEV battery, a fuel tank, and an engine in the Traveler, the vehicle's cost would be significant. Having a smaller battery reduces cost, moves the weight forward for better weight distribution and provides room for a fuel tank under the rear seat area of the Traveler.

Final battery size (and chemistry) and fuel tank size will be finalized very soon, and we will know more about the specs once all testing is completed.

Thanks @Jamie@ScoutMotors

 

[THil08]

There are several factors that determine the battery size in the EREV. The biggest is the cost, and nearly equally the packaging space. Reams of data show that, on average, people only drive 30-40 miles per day. 150 miles of pure battery-electric range covers the vast majority of daily commutes in the U.S.

By reducing the battery size, we also lower the vehicle's cost and weight. If we were able to package the full BEV battery, a fuel tank, and an engine in the Traveler, the vehicle's cost would be significant. Having a smaller battery reduces cost, moves the weight forward for better weight distribution and provides room for a fuel tank under the rear seat area of the Traveler.

Final battery size (and chemistry) and fuel tank size will be finalized very soon, and we will know more about the specs once all testing is completed.

Rear mounted tank? Not front mounted like the images on the website? I wonder if the charge port is now at the front passenger. With the gas filler at the rear? Smart move by engineers to fill the position of the batter and gas tank. I remember tanking with @J Alynn about it.

 

[J Alynn]

He said under the

Rear mounted tank? Not front mounted like the images on the website? I wonder if the charge port is now at the front passenger. With the gas filler at the rear? Smart move by engineers to fill the position of the batter and gas tank. I remember tanking with @J Alynn about it.

rear seats, so more like mid vehicle

 

[THil08]

He said under the

rear seats, so more like mid vehicle

Pretty much they filled what was shown on the website for harvest. They moved the gas tank at the front to where the battery was and took the battery up to the front. If I’m getting this correct

 

[Gottesacker]

and we will know more about the specs once all testing is completed.

Exactly what I’ve been waiting for. I haven’t been too worried overall any direction until we have finalized specifications. Until then Harvester is my preference, but it could change.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Pretty much they filled what was shown on the website for harvest. They moved the gas tank at the front to where the battery was and took the battery up to the front. If I’m getting this correct

All the renderings showed was a filler tube at the front passenger side. Of course, it would be a big mess to try to get the correct slope in a filler tube from the front right to the mid-rear of the vehicle, so it would make much more sense for the filler tube to be moved to the back and the charge port to be moved to the (passenger) front.

I’m hopeful that’s what’s happening, but I’m not yet convinced.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

All the renderings showed was a filler tube at the front passenger side. Of course, it would be a big mess to try to get the correct slope in a filler tube from the front right to the mid-rear of the vehicle, so it would make much more sense for the filler tube to be moved to the back and the charge port to be moved to the (passenger) front.

I’m hopeful that’s what’s happening, but I’m not yet convinced.

Opening up the perfect spot for the charge port!

 

[THil08]

Opening up the perfect spot for the charge port!

I like the idea of a front passenger charge port. It makes it easier for the winter, you don’t have to be out in the cold for too long. And it also makes a reason for the passenger to get out and give the driver some peace.