Im more of a 37" tire guy, are we going to need a lift kit or will these squeeze in?

[SpaceEVDriver]

I don’t know. Based on some others and being NYC I like a more urban feel, 35’s or 33’s and maybe no tire carrier (even though I know we both like it but seeing a new color and no carrier would make it more viable in more urban areas-parking spaces and garages way easier to contend with. I am interested to see how it looks without carrier even though I I tend to have the spare carrier. Guess we will find out soon. And I will get pics up close and personal

Could you try to get some photos of the underbelly? Specifically the front and rear suspension and linkages? I’m dying of curiosity about whether they’ve done any changes on their show mules.

 

[JasonF]

The drive-by-wire and motors aren’t a concern. But the mechanical components (axles, CV joints, tie rods, etc) are always a concern when upsizing, just like on ICE vehicles. As mentioned by @Chavannigans earlier in this thread, upsizing to 37s can easily result in missing $40k from the bank because of the need to upsize critical suspension, steering, and other components.

Absolutely looking forward to finding solutions to customize , just hope there is a decent base to start with .

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Absolutely looking forward to finding solutions to customize , just hope there is a decent base to start with .

I think we can assume there will be a strong base to start with. Scout has a lot of experienced people working on the engineering to meet its target audience’s expectations.

The main question in my mind will be whether Scout decides to use common specifications so customization is easy from day one or if there will be a major delay before the aftermarket catches up. Most aftermarket developers aren’t going to spend a lot on R&D for a niche market for a niche vehicle—5,000 vehicles a year with 0 vehicles on day 0 isn’t a big enough market. Scout’s success with the off-road community who tend to spend a fair amount on customization (and repairs) could very well be dependent on the aftermarket.

 

[J Alynn]

Could you try to get some photos of the underbelly? Specifically the front and rear suspension and linkages? I’m dying of curiosity about whether they’ve done any changes on their show mules.

So long as they aren’t holding a taser or telling me no I will try. If they are willing I’ll just ask as well. Guy tried crawling under at the reveal and security ended that very quickly

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

I think we can assume there will be a strong base to start with. Scout has a lot of experienced people working on the engineering to meet its target audience’s expectations.

The main question in my mind will be whether Scout decides to use common specifications so customization is easy from day one or if there will be a major delay before the aftermarket catches up. Most aftermarket developers aren’t going to spend a lot on R&D for a niche market for a niche vehicle—5,000 vehicles a year with 0 vehicles on day 0 isn’t a big enough market. Scout’s success with the off-road community who tend to spend a fair amount on customization (and repairs) could very well be dependent on the aftermarket.

Very true, very true…I’ll also add that in the past I have seen that those rare companies that do go out on a limb and take a chance spending a bunch of R&D time and money on such situations - well, let’s just say the MSRP for the parts that resulted were not favorable at all and the low sales numbers reflected that.

If the aftermarket support for Scout’s vehicles is strong, there is a much greater chance of long-term Scout success in my opinion. I believe Scout has indicated they intend to work with aftermarket suppliers prior to launch. I hope I am remembering that correctly and I hope it is a reality. Now is…no, no…prior to now seems like the time to be partnering with the aftermarket for optimal results. Trust me, for a certain crowd the aftermarket availability alone literally sells vehicles.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Very true, very true…I’ll also add that in the past I have seen that those rare companies that do go out on a limb and take a chance spending a bunch of R&D time and money on such situations - well, let’s just say the MSRP for the parts that resulted were not favorable at all and the low sales numbers reflected that.

If the aftermarket support for Scout’s vehicles is strong, there is a much greater chance of long-term Scout success in my opinion. I believe Scout has indicated they intend to work with aftermarket suppliers prior to launch. I hope I am remembering that correctly and I hope it is a reality. Now is…no, no…prior to now seems like the time to be partnering with the aftermarket for optimal results. Trust me, for a certain crowd the aftermarket availability alone literally sells vehicles.

You can see this is the difference in sales between the Nissan Frontier and Toyota Tacoma. Objectively the vehicles are very comparable in capabilities, but the Tacoma aftermarket is many, many times bigger than the Frontier aftermarket. And the 4Runner + Tacoma compatibility in aftermarket is much, much bigger. The Frontier sales are abysmal compared with Tacoma sales. Despite almost indistinguishable capabilities.

 

[Chavannigans]

Totally agree that you can have smaller diameter / super loud tires... You can't ignore physics and science when you increase size, weight, profile, etc. If people are going to run 37's, by all means go nuts! But you'd be kidding yourself if you didn't think there would be a tangible penalties involved. Since we are talking about EV's, efficiency is often a discussion point. That is my only point.

That’s not really true. But okay dude.

 

[BeerParty]

Could you try to get some photos of the underbelly? Specifically the front and rear suspension and linkages? I’m dying of curiosity about whether they’ve done any changes on their show mules.

So long as they aren’t holding a taser or telling me no I will try. If they are willing I’ll just ask as well. Guy tried crawling under at the reveal and security ended that very quickly

Since these are show mules and not final production vehicles, what would be the point in changes to the suspension and linkages? What they have on these is not what is going on the production vehicles, so anything on the under-belly is mule specific.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Since these are show mules and not final production vehicles, what would be the point in changes to the suspension and linkages? What they have on these is not what is going on the production vehicles, so anything on the under-belly is mule specific.

I’m similarly doubtful there will be any useful information to be gleaned. However, there can be significant appearance/stance changes when suspension and linkage change. It’s unlikely—but on the off chance they changed anything, it would be interesting to see.

 

[J Alynn]

You can see this is the difference in sales between the Nissan Frontier and Toyota Tacoma. Objectively the vehicles are very comparable in capabilities, but the Tacoma aftermarket is many, many times bigger than the Frontier aftermarket. And the 4Runner + Tacoma compatibility in aftermarket is much, much bigger. The Frontier sales are abysmal compared with Tacoma sales. Despite almost indistinguishable capabilities.

Never thought about that before but how right you are.

 

[Chavannigans]

I guess my experience is a bit different and perhaps some of it has to do with my driving style (grandma most of the time, NASCAR only when needed for safety or soul). 2018+ Jeeps in Rubicon trim can fit 37s in stock form on the road and require the tiniest of lift depending how rowdy you get with them off pavement. With 4.10 gearing from the factory I have never felt regearing to be necessary even when towing a 7,000+ pound trailer. I did choose one of the lightest 37s I could find at the time (72lbs I believe, which is something like 5 lbs heavier than OEM). Perhaps my driving style, lighter tire choice, and constant tire pressure monitoring is what typically keeps me in the neighborhood of 17-20 or so mpg. One of my last tanks was 21.7mpg without a ton of highway miles, although I did put premium in on that tank. Still surprises me how well it does. I hear of others with the same vehicle and 37s doing MUCH worse, but I don’t know the details of their setups.

Rubicons are a little different, especially with the 4:1 low range. If you regear to beyond 4:88s you’ll have a lot of trouble in mud where you need to be able to spin the mud out of the gaps in the tread blocks.

Did you tow that 7,000lbs in higher elevation?

Are you sure about those mileage claims? Did the speedometer get corrected for the larger tires?
Hand calculated?

I’m not calling you a liar but that is very difficult to believe. Your gauges are probably lying to you.

 

[cyure]

Never thought about that before but how right you are.

I’m really hoping they are like Wranglers and end up with a big catalog of aftermarket options. Wranglers are the LEGO of cars and I hope Scout is similar. That way when I roll up to a light, even if there’s a Scout in the same color it won’t be the same.

 

[J Alynn]

Since these are show mules and not final production vehicles, what would be the point in changes to the suspension and linkages? What they have on these is not what is going on the production vehicles, so anything on the under-belly is mule specific.

Probably nothing changed but they wouldn’t let us near the under belly at reveal so if they will now I’ll certainly throw my body on the filthy concrete to get some pics (can see my wife’s face already). My guess is nothing has changed but worth looking under the kilt to be sure

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Never thought about that before but how right you are.

I don’t mean to say all of the sales differences are because of the aftermarket. There’s also a reputation component and a resale value component. But when I was looking for a recent replacement of our Tundra, I looked at the four big-brand mid-sized pickups: Chevy Colorado, Ford Ranger, Toyota Tacoma, and Nissan Frontier. One of the things I considered was the aftermarket. The Tacoma won on all axes except purchase price, which doesn’t automatically translate to total cost of ownership. Aftermarket costs were more for the other three, for example.

 

[cyure]

Probably nothing changed but they wouldn’t let us near the under belly at reveal so if they will now I’ll certainly throw my body on the filthy concrete to get some pics (can see my wife’s face already). My guess is nothing has changed but worth looking under the kilt to be sure

If it’s like Nats you should be able to get a picture underneath. I didn’t think to ask my husband to do that but he was shooting them from all angles and no one bothered him.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I’m really hoping they are like Wranglers and end up with a big catalog of aftermarket options. Wranglers are the LEGO of cars and I hope Scout is similar. That way when I roll up to a light, even if there’s a Scout in the same color it won’t be the same.

This will take time, and probably investment by Scout, to accomplish. One of the reasons I would rather see Scout not invest in aftermarket development to sell parts itself is so that the aftermarket can start to thrive as soon as possible. Competing against the manufacturer is always more difficult because the level of available investment is simply not comparable.

If, on the other hand, Scout is working with ARB, OME, Rough Country (and others), plus smaller brands, etc., etc., etc. to develop aftermarket options, then there could be robust aftermarket availability right away.

It won’t be as big as Jeep, Toyota, Ford, etc. These are decades in the making.

But if they can offer some prime component aftermarket options early on, and those are successful, then the aftermarket will grow quickly.

 

[R1TVT]

That’s not really true. But okay dude.

Why don't you think there will be any penalty? Or, are you just saying you can choose to ignore physics and science? Which, yes, I guess you would be right about.

BTW, I'm not trying to by "right or wrong" - just demonstrating through the comparisons that in the real world tires and wheels WILL play an important role in determining an EV trucks overall efficiency, which will impact range.

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

Rubicons are a little different, especially with the 4:1 low range. If you regear to beyond 4:88s you’ll have a lot of trouble in mud where you need to be able to spin the mud out of the gaps in the tread blocks.

Did you tow that 7,000lbs in higher elevation?

Are you sure about those mileage claims? Did the speedometer get corrected for the larger tires?
Hand calculated?

I’m not calling you a liar but that is very difficult to believe. Your gauges are probably lying to you.

I had my fun with mud when I was younger. I avoid mud whenever possible now - too little fun for the amount of clean-up and possibility for parts breakages.

I understand the skepticism as my results have been fantastic in my opinion. I don’t have the trailer anymore, but I towed it as high as 10,000 feet one time. Typical tow elevations were sea level to 8,000 feet and everywhere in between. Those numbers discussed were from regular driving, not towing mpg or highway speeds exceeding 67mph.

I have my odometer correction via AEV ProCal SNAP - installed at the time of lift/tire installation. I haven’t hand calculated for quite some time, but when I did back in the day the numbers were very, very close.

My gauges could be lying to me for sure, but I like what they’re whispering in my ear. My wife’s Jeep was getting similar numbers as me, but always about 2mpg less which makes sense because her right foot typically asserts itself with more attitude and I do a lot more coasting to stops. The gauge mileage and range jives whenever I do a head calculation when filling up. I can manually calculate my next tank, but if I find out any bad news I will blame you.

 

[Hedrock]

It was just a cough. I’m sure it wasn’t implying the Terra update will have 37’s and be rigged up alike a Baja contender-that’s just my crazy pipe dream since there’s been heavy focus lately on the Baja campaign. Fingers crossed

I’ve been waiting for a production mule to compete in Baja as soon as that documentary was announced!

But I think a Traveler with full cage and dual spares hanging off the back (on 37s of course!) would look really, really good…

Hey @CP1@scoutmotors you know an EV has apparently never run the 1000. Sure would be a cool way to show off the range and resilience of a Harvester model….

 

[Hedrock]

I’m really hoping they are like Wranglers and end up with a big catalog of aftermarket options. Wranglers are the LEGO of cars and I hope Scout is similar. That way when I roll up to a light, even if there’s a Scout in the same color it won’t be the same.

Echoing @SpaceEVDriver - it’s taken the Bronco aftermarket about 5 years to reach a decent saturation of options, and is still nowhere near Jeep levels.

Worth noting that Jeep owners can finance a whole bunch of aftermarket parts through Chrysler Capital as part of their purchase, which has certainly helped drive their aftermarket.